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How Come? conversation, even entire threads offering reviews based on stolen tracks off the new album is okay? [Edited 3/14/06 6:38am] | |
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because discussion of boots are within site rules...
we just cant discuss where we got them from... not that i have participated in said discussions because i think its morally wrong to steal music. but those are my values...and i cant force them on anyone else. so go on y'all..rot in hell!!! Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: because discussion of boots are within site rules...
we just cant discuss where we got them from... not that i have participated in said discussions because i think its morally wrong to steal music. but those are my values...and i cant force them on anyone else. so go on y'all..rot in hell!!! i wouldn't be surprised if prince requires ben to turn over the actual names of those people who stolen the album and are posting 'reviews'. i might do that i i were him | |
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XxAxX said: sosgemini said: because discussion of boots are within site rules...
we just cant discuss where we got them from... not that i have participated in said discussions because i think its morally wrong to steal music. but those are my values...and i cant force them on anyone else. so go on y'all..rot in hell!!! i wouldn't be surprised if prince requires ben to turn over the actual names of those people who stolen the album and are posting 'reviews'. i might do that i i were him [Edited 3/14/06 10:57am] Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: XxAxX said: i wouldn't be surprised if prince requires ben to turn over the actual names of those people who stolen the album and are posting 'reviews'. i might do that i i were him [Edited 3/14/06 10:57am] Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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sosgemini said: XxAxX said: i wouldn't be surprised if prince requires ben to turn over the actual names of those people who stolen the album and are posting 'reviews'. i might do that i i were him [Edited 3/14/06 10:57am] | |
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no one owns music
its God's thats where it came from in the first place right ? i have never understood this whole bootleg hatred thing i would be happy to know that people were sharing my music whether they were paying me or not i dont make music for money i can understand it must piss prince off to know that people he hired or whatever - stole tapes and leaked them but maybe thats why we should be careful who we hire and careful about our intentions as to why we are in the music biz for me personally i am in the music biz to bring joy to people i cant put a price on that and if someone stole my shit and went and made money off it then i guess when they meet their maker they will have to deal with their own conscience it doesnt seem right to me to force people to deal with their own conscience in courts of law where lawyers making money dont actually care about music at all call 1800Love4OneAnother not a lawyer imo " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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Serious question X: do you or Sos own any Prince boots or any other boots for that matter? | |
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Romera said: Serious question X: do you or Sos own any Prince boots or any other boots for that matter?
i do not. not a single one | |
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XxAxX said: Romera said: Serious question X: do you or Sos own any Prince boots or any other boots for that matter?
i do not. not a single one I dunno. There are greater issues than this on the Org. | |
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Romera said: XxAxX said: i do not. not a single one I dunno. There are greater issues than this on the Org. so how much money did prince get from you in exchange for his copyrighted intellectual property when you downloaded his new album before the release date and through unauthorized channels? [Edited 3/14/06 16:39pm] | |
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truly, i'm not trying to be 'holier than thou' about this.
but remember who prince is, and his history regarding this particular issue. i mean, this is the guy who shut down entire websites back in the day, and who has led an ongoing campaign against bootlegs. he's publicly expressed the fact that bootlegs aren't really cool with him. in fact his legal team has gone after people who trade in bootlegs and what i see happening now is that poeople who have heard the album are giving it 'bad' reviews, and likely won't bother to actually BUY the album when march 21st rolls around. seriously, ain't it a shame? | |
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sacredwarrior said: i dont make music for money i think that about sums up the difference between you and someone who creates, copyrights and sells his work in order to make a living. | |
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XxAxX said: Romera said: Good. I wish I could say the same but I just want to say this thread threw me off a little. Everybody has their thing that they do that's wrong and they know it. I just don't really see the point of referring to people as thieves.
I dunno. There are greater issues than this on the Org. so how much money did prince get from you in exchange for his copyrighted intellectual property when you downloaded his new album before the release date and through unauthorized channels? [Edited 3/14/06 16:39pm] you also assumed that i had downloaded the album. i don't believe that I said i had. i said i had heard it but i forget you are the queen of sweeping generalizations about people so i'll get off your lovely thread and leave you to your perfect world where you have never done anything remotely a little bit bad ever. | |
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Romera said: XxAxX said: so how much money did prince get from you in exchange for his copyrighted intellectual property when you downloaded his new album before the release date and through unauthorized channels? [Edited 3/14/06 16:39pm] you also assumed that i had downloaded the album. i don't believe that I said i had. i said i had heard it but i forget you are the queen of sweeping generalizations about people so i'll get off your lovely thread and leave you to your perfect world where you have never done anything remotely a little bit bad ever. thanks for sharing | |
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Romera said: Serious question X: do you or Sos own any Prince boots or any other boots for that matter?
i have never ever..ever purchased any boots. i have recieved a ton of them and have never heard any of them with one exception. Wendy & Lisa... some of us wendy and lisa fans found out that bootleggers were selling Friendly Fire at extremely high prices so we decided to collect all of them and share them at no cost. i have mailed copies to friends far and wide in my efforts to prevent booters from profiting from them, on my own dime. and we informed wendy and lisa what we were doing..this was one of the reasons i started girlbros. radio so that folks could listen to the hard to find stuff without paying booters for them. i've done the same with the revolution era music that is featured on girlbroslandia...i reduce the quality of the mp3 to stereo so that if prince ever were to release the music folks would want to buy the good quality stuff..and all of that stuff was fan shared..and im pretty strict, only revolution era (and keep the quality crap). but beyond that...nope. i dont do boots. and when folks ask me to burn them copies of eroica, fruit at the bottom or wendy and lisa i always refer them to amazon or somewhere else online. Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Romera said: Serious question X: do you or Sos own any Prince boots or any other boots for that matter?
i have never ever..ever purchased any boots. i have recieved a ton of them and have never heard any of them with one exception. Wendy & Lisa... some of us wendy and lisa fans found out that bootleggers were selling Friendly Fire at extremely high prices so we decided to collect all of them and share them at no cost. i have mailed copies to friends far and wide in my efforts to prevent booters from profiting from them, on my own dime. and we informed wendy and lisa what we were doing..this was one of the reasons i started girlbros. radio so that folks could listen to the hard to find stuff without paying booters for them. i've done the same with the revolution era music that is featured on girlbroslandia...i reduce the quality of the mp3 to stereo so that if prince ever were to release the music folks would want to buy the good quality stuff..and all of that stuff was fan shared..and im pretty strict, only revolution era (and keep the quality crap). but beyond that...nope. i dont do boots. and when folks ask me to burn them copies of eroica, fruit at the bottom or wendy and lisa i always refer them to amazon or somewhere else online. How come when i clicked on ur link (in ur sig), it said station not availiable? | |
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thesexofit said: sosgemini said: i have never ever..ever purchased any boots. i have recieved a ton of them and have never heard any of them with one exception. Wendy & Lisa... some of us wendy and lisa fans found out that bootleggers were selling Friendly Fire at extremely high prices so we decided to collect all of them and share them at no cost. i have mailed copies to friends far and wide in my efforts to prevent booters from profiting from them, on my own dime. and we informed wendy and lisa what we were doing..this was one of the reasons i started girlbros. radio so that folks could listen to the hard to find stuff without paying booters for them. i've done the same with the revolution era music that is featured on girlbroslandia...i reduce the quality of the mp3 to stereo so that if prince ever were to release the music folks would want to buy the good quality stuff..and all of that stuff was fan shared..and im pretty strict, only revolution era (and keep the quality crap). but beyond that...nope. i dont do boots. and when folks ask me to burn them copies of eroica, fruit at the bottom or wendy and lisa i always refer them to amazon or somewhere else online. How come when i clicked on ur link (in ur sig), it said station not availiable? all fixed... Space for sale... | |
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XxAxX said: truly, i'm not trying to be 'holier than thou' about this.
but remember who prince is, and his history regarding this particular issue. i mean, this is the guy who shut down entire websites back in the day, and who has led an ongoing campaign against bootlegs. he's publicly expressed the fact that bootlegs aren't really cool with him. in fact his legal team has gone after people who trade in bootlegs and what i see happening now is that poeople who have heard the album are giving it 'bad' reviews, and likely won't bother to actually BUY the album when march 21st rolls around. seriously, ain't it a shame? Correct me if I'm wrong, but i thought Prince didn't like other people making money from his music by selling boots. At least with the download thing, those people are no longer profiting. Oh and what about the scenario that people buying the album after reading 'good' reviews when first they wouldn't bother buying it. You don't scare me; i got kids | |
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AlfofMelmak said: XxAxX said: truly, i'm not trying to be 'holier than thou' about this.
but remember who prince is, and his history regarding this particular issue. i mean, this is the guy who shut down entire websites back in the day, and who has led an ongoing campaign against bootlegs. he's publicly expressed the fact that bootlegs aren't really cool with him. in fact his legal team has gone after people who trade in bootlegs and what i see happening now is that poeople who have heard the album are giving it 'bad' reviews, and likely won't bother to actually BUY the album when march 21st rolls around. seriously, ain't it a shame? Correct me if I'm wrong, but i thought Prince didn't like other people making money from his music by selling boots. At least with the download thing, those people are no longer profiting. Oh and what about the scenario that people buying the album after reading 'good' reviews when first they wouldn't bother buying it. i'm sorry but this isn't making sense to me. what's your point? are you saying that because the downloads weren't through profit driven channels they're ok? and i think as far as the 'good' reviews go, the reviews issueing from legitimate listening parties are sufficient to carry the day. now why am i defending myself for objecting to the theft of intellectual property? | |
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XxAxX said: AlfofMelmak said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but i thought Prince didn't like other people making money from his music by selling boots. At least with the download thing, those people are no longer profiting. Oh and what about the scenario that people buying the album after reading 'good' reviews when first they wouldn't bother buying it. i'm sorry but this isn't making sense to me. what's your point? are you saying that because the downloads weren't through profit driven channels they're ok? and i think as far as the 'good' reviews go, the reviews issueing from legitimate listening parties are sufficient to carry the day. now why am i defending myself for objecting to the theft of intellectual property? To start with your last point: My comment was by no means ment as an 'attack' so no 'defence' is asked for. You stated a point with "remember who prince is...that bootlegs aren't cool with him" and I thought Prince was not that much against people owning them, but disliking the sellers making a profit. By downloads no boot-sellers are profiting, so (IF I remembered correctly) I felt that nullified your Prince-doesn't-like-it argument. In those days, boots were mainly live-registrations of poor quality btw, not unreleased material. You don't scare me; i got kids | |
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AlfofMelmak said: XxAxX said: i'm sorry but this isn't making sense to me. what's your point? are you saying that because the downloads weren't through profit driven channels they're ok? and i think as far as the 'good' reviews go, the reviews issueing from legitimate listening parties are sufficient to carry the day. now why am i defending myself for objecting to the theft of intellectual property? To start with your last point: My comment was by no means ment as an 'attack' so no 'defence' is asked for. You stated a point with "remember who prince is...that bootlegs aren't cool with him" and I thought Prince was not that much against people owning them, but disliking the sellers making a profit. By downloads no boot-sellers are profiting, so (IF I remembered correctly) I felt that nullified your Prince-doesn't-like-it argument. In those days, boots were mainly live-registrations of poor quality btw, not unreleased material. thanks for the clarification. personally, i think that's a pretty weak attempt to justify what's happened. if prince wanted people to access his work in this fashion he'd have done just that, publicly. i think that's what the 'legal' listening links are for. | |
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err, yes, well, I did not attempt to justify anything. Relax, mon. You don't scare me; i got kids | |
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AlfofMelmak said: err, yes, well, I did not attempt to justify anything. Relax, mon.
dude! | |
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XxAxX said: if prince wanted people to access his work in this fashion he'd have done just that, publicly.
No he wouldn't. He wants to make money off it, everybody knows that. | |
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At the end of the day, you know a large majority of the people who downloaded the leaked copy are gonna end up buying the full album anyway. So what is he losing? It's pretty silly and petty to start suing people for downloading it between now and the release date.
People who dig Prince enough to even bother hunting down an early copy of the album, are generally the same people that buy all his stuff anyhow. People were just excited about the new music, he should be flattered. | |
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Teacher said: XxAxX said: if prince wanted people to access his work in this fashion he'd have done just that, publicly.
No he wouldn't. He wants to make money off it, everybody knows that. seriously. don't you think he'd do that through his own website????? remember what happened with xenophobia? [Edited 3/16/06 14:16pm] | |
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Tom said: At the end of the day, you know a large majority of the people who downloaded the leaked copy are gonna end up buying the full album anyway. So what is he losing? It's pretty silly and petty to start suing people for downloading it between now and the release date.
People who dig Prince enough to even bother hunting down an early copy of the album, are generally the same people that buy all his stuff anyhow. People were just excited about the new music, he should be flattered. i suppose you could look at it that way. but for every person who doesn't buy it legally, doesn't he lose money? | |
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XxAxX said: truly, i'm not trying to be 'holier than thou' about this.
but remember who prince is, and his history regarding this particular issue. i mean, this is the guy who shut down entire websites back in the day, and who has led an ongoing campaign against bootlegs. he's publicly expressed the fact that bootlegs aren't really cool with him. in fact his legal team has gone after people who trade in bootlegs and what i see happening now is that poeople who have heard the album are giving it 'bad' reviews, and likely won't bother to actually BUY the album when march 21st rolls around. seriously, ain't it a shame? i have been more active in posting about prince since getting the album early than i have been in years, cause it's the first album he has put out since the gold experience that i even like. and i will be buying a copy come 21st. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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