One problem with this is that mods at times would have to take a user's word as a fact, ie I might say that somebody is flaming me because we have a history like that but it might not be apparent flaming just looking at it. It's happened MANY MANY times before and while I understand the problems the mods are facing here it has broken my heart to watch it happen to me and really close friends and made me so mad when past mods (read Ian) refused to take action. I fully understand that mods cannot keep scorecards of who's got a grudge against who but at times it would be wonderful if they just believed you. This is especially happening when it comes to race I feel.

Teacher said:

But we're not talking about personal feelings or flaming here. If someone is posting racist "humor," that has nothing to do with personal grudges and is easily seen and locked, snipped, etc.

sosgemini said:

Exactly.

FunkMistress said:

My reply was not intended to come across as defensive, only stating.

FunkMistress said:

Oh yes but I was thinking along the lines of "who has to be offended before" , it can also be that it's apparent to somebody but nothing's done anyway. Myself, I have NO tolerance against racism or sexism so I tend to stay the hell away from those threads or I'd make myself miserable and banned.

Teacher said:

Yeah, that's the line I'm straddling right now. I think it's time for me to step away from the computer, 'cause I'm getting quite the headache!

I've discussed these issues with Stymie prior to the creation of this thread last weekend privately, and I won't go into them here. Needless to say, this brings us right back to my recent thread in site discussion regarding the adult nature, and highly immature, innane threads that get started here on the org. I'll say it again - the org has become 'downtown', the bad place that nobody dare mention, the proverbial 'trash can' of the Prince community. Many may not say it, but everybody knows that the Org is the place where you can come if ya wanna act up, and it truly PISSES ME OFF because I know there is a hell of a lot of good, caring and generous people here who are tiring of it too.

My moderation style has been watched closely by many orgers, with many testing me out since the day I started to see just how far they can push me. But they're wasting their time. I'm fair, and unbiased - but push it, and you'll find me swift, and brutally efficient. Cross the line, then you can expect to cross swords with me - stick to the rules, then there's absolutely no problem, it's not brain surgery people! There is a huge gulf of a difference between something being a little light-hearted fun, and things that break the site rules or are offensive and/or hateful. So I really don't care if my moderating 'style' rubs people up the wrong way - tough. The trolls, baiters and offensive-thread authors have had their time hanging out in easy street. They know who they are too...

I would just like to address some points that RipHerToShreds and FunkMistress touched upon before finishing up however.

Dan, the second paragraph in your post is bang-on-the-money:

RipHer2Shreds said:

Firstly, you need to go read this in relation to the quote above in bold: http://www.prince.org/msg/3/176692

Secondly, both Bev and I have discussed these issues with Ben at some considerable length regarding alter-ego accounts, and a few days ago got the org note and posting limits upped considerably in light of some of the very issues you mention - there is no need for alter-ego accounts and we WILL be tightening up on this. I think people should start seriously considering deleting their alter-ego accounts sooner rather than later. This is just the tip of a problem that we are now addressing. So those that this relates to - your 15 minutes will very soon be up...just sayin'. As for time and commitment, I know what you're saying - but trust me, most of us put in more time than you guys could ever imagine! (Sometimes detrimentally so)

FunkMistress said:

I am. Along with matt, June7, luv4u, Nikster, Sweeny79, & Tom. I admit it has been a little crazy of late with regard the Prince: music & more forum, and, as you well know, before gaining full mod status, you could bet your bottom dollar you could find me hanging out in GD. Of late, I find more and more of my time spent in the main Prince forum, (saturday almost bloody killed me! 15+ hours modding! I must be insane...) alongside maintaining the gallery, along with keeping an eye on GD and whatever else I've gotta do. No excuses there, i'm just telling it how it's been.

Essentially, I think these are fair and valid points, and they should (and will) be addressed. But to do that, we need YOUR help. It's not a one way street. IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT IS WRONG - REPORT IT. Don't rely on the thought that we may just happen across it and see it.

Let me put that in perspective here, Ben told me the other night that there are well over 3 million posts stored currently on the Org server. What I guess I'm saying by that is that if I see a thread title that catches my eye, I do pounce and act accordingly - on that, you have my word, (and as anyone knows me - my word is my bond). Unfortunately, being two mods down now, and with some of the other mods not online as much due to life/work concerns, we just can't scan everything and hope to happen across something (trust me, If I ever do have spare time whilst on the org, I do like to browse and get involved too). We're human - we are gonna miss stuff. So this is where you guys come in.

There is a lot of baiting on the org - and that goes for both 'sides' too. Instead of people having a dig and playing with someone who's started a thread simply to troll or flame - don't just sit there and try and 'mess' with them to be all big and clever...

....use the 'report to mod' button and we'll look into it asap, of that - I can assure you.

My

I just want to make it clear that some of this stuff is NOT necessarily people baiting. Some of it is NOT folks under alternate user names trying to get people riled up. It's people who genuinely believe that what they're saying is right and/or funny when it's in fact out-and-out racism. I don't believe Militant was trying to bait folks; I think he felt he was making a valid point and enjoying himself.

BananaCologne said:

Thanks for the update. I was aware that the orgnote limit was upped, but it wasn't clear to me in that thread that that was also the case with posts. What's the limit now?

Just to clarify - my comment about mod time and effort wasn't inferring that you guys don't put in a lot of time. Quite the opposite. I realize you do, but also know that keeping up with people's concerns can take up a lot more time than you have.

RipHer2Shreds said:

I asked Ben last night to clarify that with me, and he did tell me - but like a twat, I've forgotten - and as such don't wanna say something in case it's the wrong number!

As for your ending comment, yeah that's cool - I didn't mean for mine to come across defensively as such. My post is more aimed towards those that think they've got the upper hand.

Cuz trust me...they ain't.

i know i saw this asked already but cud c no answer,wots "trolls" ?

roswell said:

Trolls are people who (most often) with a second account try to start shit just for the hell of it, expressing opinions that they KNOW will get a nasty response.

Did I cover it?

Teacher said:

BananaCologne said:

I don't really want to say exactly what the limits are, but for all of orgnotes/day, posts/day, replies/day, they are significantly higher. If you do hit the daily limit now, you probably have more serious problems

And on the alter-ego issue: yes, we will be cracking down. I wish it were as simple as limiting it to 1 account/IP address, but that is not at all technically feasible (it just doesn't work that way). Seriously, you should have ONE account only. I have thought about charging $20/account or something just to try and discourage people creating multiple accounts, but I that doesn't seem like a good solution either. I'm open to suggestions.

ben said:

Stymie said:

No one was justifying the N word, it was the slang word Nigga.

Please stop reading things that aren't really there. It doesn't help.

gemini13 said:

same difference.

ben said:

Why not?

ben said:

So, once the crack down starts can there be an outing party by the mods to expose which alter-ego belongs to whom?

ben said:

Awesome, frigging BEAUTIFUL!!!

gemini13 said:

I was wondering how long it would be before YOU used that word. Feel better saying it now?

NEVER in this thread did I say anyone was justifying the word, did I? I SAID that any thread using the word should be watched. What that thread has turned into is exactly what the fuck is wrong on the Org.

sosgemini said:

It sure is.

And on that note: