I would suggest that it's never a good idea to start a forum just to drain unappealing posts off into it.

Build up, not down.

sosgemini said:

http://www.prince.org/msg...ights.html

handclaps said:

And now you have to deal with these in the GD forum. The problem never went away, just moved to a more public forum. It's not so much the content I have a problem with personally, just the placement of it (i.e. in "General" discussion and the "Highlights" page). I feel putting it in its own forum and keeping it away from Anonymous Guest browsers would be a happy middle ground. The mods still have to work just as hard, us pervs will have a place to play, and those who want to be able to surf Prince.org at work won't have to worry about a co-worker looking over the shoulder and seeing "A Hot Chick and Pussy" in the thread listings.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

found it

What Type Of Lover Is Prince? Slow Groove Romantic.....??? S and M Freakazoid Man.....Rough Thuggin?




lol at Rough Thuggin?

Dauphin said:

If you build it, they will cum.

Just saying.

2teh9s said:

not only that but people will find a way to work around things...or make joke of things....

its all about communication. thats they key to oh wait...we arent talking about politics are we?

nevermind..

sosgemini said:

That's an interesting way of looking at it. "Draining" discussion? A different way to explain it would be to say the mods are acknowledging that there are enough posts of a frank and mature nature that would warrant a seperate forum.

That's kinda like saying Politics and Religion was created to "drain" those posts from GD. It's a matter of how you want to percieve it.

Dauphin said:

Yes. And frankly I think it was created with that in mind. To drain those sorts of "controvertial" topics away from the GD. And I think that was the WRONG reason for creating that forum.

For the most part though (despite that motivation), I think that forum has turned out to be one of the more interesting ones on this site. Which goes to show that any site is partially about the mods...and partially (more) about the members...

origmnd said:

If you want a SEX forum, there are lots of those out there in net land.

Exactly why I rarely go to GD anymore ~ I'm also not a "prude" but I just don't want people's fetishes or unquenchable appetities for the shock factor in my face all the time. The problem with a sex forum is that this is exactly the place 'nana's hypothetical 13 year old boy (or girl) would go first. I can't even go on the Org at my job because I work with teens and the titles of many of the threads are so explicit. On the rare occasion that one of the kids there likes Prince, I just can't bring myself to direct them to the Org due to the content. This is really too bad because there is so much crucial musical information here and so many great people sharing! A forum could help clear out the debris but I sure wouldn't want to be the moderator having to sort all of it out.

MoonSongs said:

There was once a sex forum to deal with this crap not long ago, but it did not work out so it was taken down.

luv4u said:

taking all of that into consideration what are your thoughts moving forward? like the idear? dislike it? on the fence?

I don't remember if I originally suggested the creation of the LSR forum, but I strongly supported it at the time. Another forum-based website that I visit was having its GD-equivalent forum swamped with sex-related threads, and so they created an LSR forum. For them, it's been a success. Since, as Dansa said, our GD forum was being overloaded with such threads, I thought it was worth creating a separate forum. And ultimately, the decision was made to create it.

Obviously, the LSR forum idea didn't work so well here. I don't know why, other than perhaps this site having a different "culture." But that explanation is too vague to be of any real help.

I guess right now, I'm reluctant to bring back the LSR forum unless we could figure out: 1) precisely why it didn't work well the first time around; and 2) how we could change it so that it would work.

As for the idea of a new LSR forum being unmoderated... while I could see the moderation being relaxed (e.g., the entire forum could be designated "NSFW," so that such a tag would be unnecessary for individual threads), I wouldn't want the forum to be totally unmoderated, because I can picture it being overloaded with off-topic/nonsense threads and/or turning into a "flame pit." The latter especially worries me because ever since prince.org was started in 1995 (as the Paisley Park Mailing List), flaming has never been tolerated. That's been one of our fundamental rules for over 10 years (!) now.

Besides, if people want an unmoderated Prince discussion forum, there's always alt.music.prince on Usenet.

Anyway, just my two cents.

matt said:

Unmoderated or relaxed? That's a prize on a platter to sexual predators.

I always hated the forum cos it has no place on a Prince website. I'd have no problems with those kinds of threads being banned automatically right across the board, I think that would go over better than y'all think. As others have pointed out, there are plenty of sites to go to if all you wanna do is discuss sex. Forbidding the creation of overtly sexual topics (regardless of whether it's about having sex with Prince or not) would create a storm in a water glass but people would get used to it. They can take it elsewhere. It didn't work on this site cos P fans are phreaks, and some people don't have limits set up properly in their brains. They don't get that if you're a P fan posting shit like kiddie porn or anal sex threads on a website called "prince.org" it'll reflect badly on P. Whether we like it or not that's gonna happen sooner or later. Now, most of y'all know that I don't care for P's recent music and certainly not his way of life, but that doesn't mean I think it's cool for people to post shit like what we're talking about here on the Org. I NEVER post on sex threads cos they revolt me, I can have more interesting discussions with a blank screen. I'm certainly not a prude but to me it's just plain nasty. Keep something in your pants people!

luv4u said:

Well, some of the people arguing in favor of the sex forum maintain that there are no such things on this site, they stuck their heads in the sand and pretented everybody on this site are adults.

Dauphin said:

Definitely!

Dauphin said:

Frank and mature? That's bullshit if I ever read any. Mature is the least fitting word to describe these types of threads. Frank they are but only to be the biggest freak, it's not about honesty.

I would have to say that despite the fact that I am an awful flirt and love contributing to some of the threads you have mentioned I still feel that a forum dedicated to those kind of threads is totally appropriate. It gives all of us the choice to pick and choose what we view more easily and yes i do think it should be an over 18's forum.
I have to say that someof the consistent drivel we get on here can get tedious but generally this is a great place to interact, however there has to be a line drawn somewhere in the sand, either we lock em up as soon as they appear or we have em somewhere in a ring fence....another forum. (no ring gags thanks)
Bring it back.....lets see how it goes again, admittedly last time it did dilute the contributions in GD but i think it just needed more time.
Just my 2c worth now i am off to bait some more mofo's

Interesting points - haven't a clue where to start with the numerous posts tho! Why not one post with all your points Teach? Anyhoo, spliiting hairs and unimportant stuff aside, I'm hoping that people won't get too uptight about this being discussed, and that it will continue to be a serious (if at times light hearted) discussion on the pros and cons.

I personally believe that there are only two ways to handle it a new forum (NOT like the previous incarnation at ALL - see main post) or for a more full-on 'no quarter' policy and stick to it.

At the end of the day, whichever side of the fence you are on, it's not goign to go away, those halycon days of the Org of old have long gone - end of story.

Sadly.

BananaCologne said:

I know, I wasn't gonna say anything on the other two and then I forgot I could just edit my first post. Sorry
[Edited 12/27/05 8:50am]

Teacher said:

It's cool - I just didn't know where to start! Hope I covered at least some of what you raised in mine anyhoo. I really hope something positive comes out of this whereby everybody is at least content - I think 'happy' would be pushing it somewhat.

BananaCologne said:

Yeah, I know what you're saying and I see your point, just like I understand that people want to be able to discuss sex and assorted attributes freely. I just don't understand why they have to do it on this site.

Teacher said:

because this a community?


how about a flagging option title NSFW or Adult Swim. It could be an option selected when people create a thread (as well as flagging option we mods can initiate). people would then be able to select if they want to view these threads via their "my org" page.

it shouldnt be that hard for ben to create...it would be the equivelant of "hidden" threads that us mods have access to but nobody else.

would that solve many folks frustrations?

sosgemini said:

Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't 'get' your 'adult swim' thing Sos. I'm guessing it an 'Americanism' - becuase I've certainly not heard that term before. We should just keep it plain and simple so that it does what it says on the tin so to speak.

'18 & Over Forum'

'Mature Content Forum'

'Adults Only Forum'

'The bad place' (ok i'm joking on this one!)

'Downtown' / 'Uptown' (depending on which is deemed more 'appropriate')

'N*S*F*W* Forum'

as for content protection, I'm all for that (see main post) Org noting you now.

sosgemini said:

actually something like that would be a really good idea, man.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Agreed. I kinda thought of somethign similar, but didn't know how to explain it concisely or if it would be far too complicated to instigate - but if we could do that, it would be fantastic Sos.

...and for those that 'forget' to 'flag' their posts?

BananaCologne said:

"adult swim" is block of programming on the Cartoon Network that has adult content. the family guy and boondocks are two examples. its labelled as such so that parents are aware of the content of the shows.

if we create an "on/off" option it empowers the invididual orger to choose if they want to participate within these threads or not. if someone doesnt want to look at sex threads the stuff will be filtered out and they will never see them. others who want to participate in them can do so if they choose. by doing so it reduces the amount of change to the pre-existing culture that we have hear. folks can talk about prince's dick size all they want within the appropriate forum (prince: music and MORE). but for those who dont want to participate they wont even see the threads in the same forum.

i think my idear is a great compromise. now do you understand what i am getting at?

I browse the Org at work and am really pissed when I am just looking through the thread titles and I see something like "NEW BESTIALITY MOVIE!!!!". I don't care to look at it. I don't enter it. Yet I, (and whoever may be walking by) am forced to aknowledge it. There is just something wrong with that. Moreover, with eveyone in my work place knowing that I am a Prince fan, having to tell them that I am on a prince fansite with this type of BS littered about just doesn't mesh well. I admit I have started a couple of threads. But with mine, instead of making the title "CUM DRINKERS HERE!", I titled it, "Good to the last drop". So it was not mistaken as a coffee thread I made sure I got to the point. If you held the mouse over the title, a summary of content was given so that no mistake was made. More people could take this type of consideration but they choose not to. That is why they need the of moderation. It really needs to be decided which problem is going to be addressed here. The people who start the threads, or where the threads belong (if you decide that they do) on the Org. I love this place. I love the info I get, the interaction and, the atmosphere. It's been home for me for over a year. I trust you all will do whatever is necessary to let it remain so.

sosgemini said:

Sure, and as good an idea as that is, let's not forget that we're global - I live in England and I've never even heard of that before. So what I was saying was that we need something with a little more immeadiacy and understandable to everyone - otherwise we'll just have to do what you did for me and give out an explanation, y'with me now?



*grammatical error edit*
[Edited 12/27/05 11:05am]

purpleizpassion said:

I have to state, for the record here that some of the titles above are misleading - the one you stated in your post (to be fair to the orger concerned) wasn't actually ABOUT what the title suggested - but concerned the new King Kong movie. However, in my eyes that doesn't make it right, and the thread title should have been changed - but that's just my The end result is the same.