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Thread started 05/27/05 9:04am

EvilWhiteMale

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Can we not criticize Prince anymore?

Lately I've been noticing that threads that criticize Prince get locked like crazy around here and people who post criticism are even bashed upon by the mods (I won't mention specific names).

So what's the deal? Is this a process leading into creating another NPGMC or housequake.com, where everyone has to kiss Prince's ass?
"You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "

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Reply #1 posted 05/27/05 9:55am

Cloudbuster

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May goodness forbid.
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Reply #2 posted 05/27/05 11:17am

MrTee

i pity the fool who does not allow free and open debate over prince's "recent" downfall
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Reply #3 posted 05/27/05 11:20am

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eek
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Reply #4 posted 05/27/05 11:27am

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luv4u said:

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Reply #5 posted 05/27/05 12:25pm

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-and then some of the mods on here are so grouchy and mean...
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Reply #6 posted 05/27/05 5:19pm

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beret1022 said:

-and then some of the mods on here are so grouchy and mean...



And some don't like to discuss the matters at all.

It's lock and finger
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Reply #7 posted 05/27/05 7:58pm

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what thread are you talking about, EWM?
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Reply #8 posted 05/28/05 8:05am

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Maybe the mods secretly turned JW? biggrin
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Reply #9 posted 05/28/05 8:40am

EvilWhiteMale

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evenstar3 said:

what thread are you talking about, EWM?


Several actually.

But what led me to craete this thread was when I made a thread about how if Billy Idol can still be raw and rock out at the age of 50, then there's no reason why Prince can't. So It was locked and I was accused of being "whiny."

Then when I made a thread about Billy Idol, it became a comparison between him and Prince again, and that thread got locked.

And when I tried to discuss the issue with the mod, I got absolutely no response.

So I'm starting to think this site is becoming sterile and the only Prince threads that can survive are the ones that aren't critical of him. It seems debating in the Prince forum is not welcome.

I guess we all just have to be good boys and girls from now on.
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Reply #10 posted 05/28/05 10:07am

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EvilWhiteMale said:

evenstar3 said:

what thread are you talking about, EWM?


Several actually.

But what led me to craete this thread was when I made a thread about how if Billy Idol can still be raw and rock out at the age of 50, then there's no reason why Prince can't. So It was locked and I was accused of being "whiny."

Then when I made a thread about Billy Idol, it became a comparison between him and Prince again, and that thread got locked.

And when I tried to discuss the issue with the mod, I got absolutely no response.

So I'm starting to think this site is becoming sterile and the only Prince threads that can survive are the ones that aren't critical of him. It seems debating in the Prince forum is not welcome.

I guess we all just have to be good boys and girls from now on.



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Reply #11 posted 05/28/05 10:12am

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luv4u said:

EvilWhiteMale said:



Several actually.

But what led me to craete this thread was when I made a thread about how if Billy Idol can still be raw and rock out at the age of 50, then there's no reason why Prince can't. So It was locked and I was accused of being "whiny."

Then when I made a thread about Billy Idol, it became a comparison between him and Prince again, and that thread got locked.

And when I tried to discuss the issue with the mod, I got absolutely no response.

So I'm starting to think this site is becoming sterile and the only Prince threads that can survive are the ones that aren't critical of him. It seems debating in the Prince forum is not welcome.

I guess we all just have to be good boys and girls from now on.



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Reply #12 posted 05/28/05 11:43am

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EvilWhiteMale said:

evenstar3 said:

what thread are you talking about, EWM?


Several actually.

But what led me to craete this thread was when I made a thread about how if Billy Idol can still be raw and rock out at the age of 50, then there's no reason why Prince can't. So It was locked and I was accused of being "whiny."

Then when I made a thread about Billy Idol, it became a comparison between him and Prince again, and that thread got locked.

And when I tried to discuss the issue with the mod, I got absolutely no response.

So I'm starting to think this site is becoming sterile and the only Prince threads that can survive are the ones that aren't critical of him. It seems debating in the Prince forum is not welcome.

I guess we all just have to be good boys and girls from now on.


there might be something else going on that we arent aware of...give the mod in question the benefit of the doubt until you hear from him/her.
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Reply #13 posted 05/28/05 1:14pm

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sosgemini said:



there might be something else going on that we arent aware of...give the mod in question the benefit of the doubt until you hear from him/her.


It's been a few days so far.

We shall see...
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Reply #14 posted 05/28/05 3:54pm

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Reply #15 posted 05/29/05 7:41pm

klhk

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once again EWM is on point. nod all the censorship and topic deletion/locking is elementary. shit, I have to talk about booty just to stay awake.


i'm just sayin... talk to the hand
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Reply #16 posted 05/31/05 2:26am

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klhk said:

once again EWM is on point. nod all the censorship and topic deletion/locking is elementary. shit, I have to talk about booty just to stay awake.


i'm just sayin... talk to the hand


so what would you call petty public fighting or antagonizing mods then?

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did you get an answer ewm?
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Reply #17 posted 05/31/05 10:02am

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sosgemini said:


did you get an answer ewm?



Nope. And I don't think I ever will.

Like I posted before it's all about lock and finger

I just have to accept the fact that we can no longer make threads that criticize Prince. Either kiss ass or kiss off.
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Reply #18 posted 05/31/05 10:12am

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EvilWhiteMale said:

sosgemini said:


did you get an answer ewm?



Nope. And I don't think I ever will.

Like I posted before it's all about lock and finger

I just have to accept the fact that we can no longer make threads that criticize Prince. Either kiss ass or kiss off.


okay....man, this really sucks that our mod mailing list is down cause we cant really discuss stuff anymore..

but im gonna say this, if you cant spend half a minute typing an understandable explenation (via orgnote) to the actions you have taken you dont deserve to be a mod...

and if you cant respond to inquiries such as this (and not even in public but via orgnote) the you dont deserve to be a mod....

sometimes i get the impression we as mods are "looking" for something to moderate...so we fish for something to do.....i hope this isnt the case.....

and if there is something that needs to be done, but you dont wanna waste your time sending an orgnoted message or at lease giving an explenation within the locked thread then dont take action and let the next mod who logs on take care of the matter...

that last option i do a lot.....say, there is a user that just annoys the hell out of me..and someone has reported the issue..I just let the mod request stay so that nikster and danza can look at the issue without my biases at play....

the next time i log on, walla the issue has been managed....

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Reply #19 posted 05/31/05 10:44am

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blah, blah, blah, mods suck and the only ass I'm gonna kiss belongs to EWM!










and maybe handlsclapsfingazsnaps... batting eyes
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Reply #20 posted 05/31/05 10:55am

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klhk said:

blah, blah, blah, mods suck and the only ass I'm gonna kiss belongs to EWM!



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Reply #21 posted 05/31/05 10:57am

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sosgemini said:

EvilWhiteMale said:




Nope. And I don't think I ever will.

Like I posted before it's all about lock and finger

I just have to accept the fact that we can no longer make threads that criticize Prince. Either kiss ass or kiss off.


okay....man, this really sucks that our mod mailing list is down cause we cant really discuss stuff anymore..

but im gonna say this, if you cant spend half a minute typing an understandable explenation (via orgnote) to the actions you have taken you dont deserve to be a mod...

and if you cant respond to inquiries such as this (and not even in public but via orgnote) the you dont deserve to be a mod....

sometimes i get the impression we as mods are "looking" for something to moderate...so we fish for something to do.....i hope this isnt the case.....

and if there is something that needs to be done, but you dont wanna waste your time sending an orgnoted message or at lease giving an explenation within the locked thread then dont take action and let the next mod who logs on take care of the matter...

that last option i do a lot.....say, there is a user that just annoys the hell out of me..and someone has reported the issue..I just let the mod request stay so that nikster and danza can look at the issue without my biases at play....

the next time i log on, walla the issue has been managed....

biggrin



Wow, good points. thumbs up!
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Reply #22 posted 05/31/05 11:00am

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EvilWhiteMale said:

sosgemini said:



okay....man, this really sucks that our mod mailing list is down cause we cant really discuss stuff anymore..

but im gonna say this, if you cant spend half a minute typing an understandable explenation (via orgnote) to the actions you have taken you dont deserve to be a mod...

and if you cant respond to inquiries such as this (and not even in public but via orgnote) the you dont deserve to be a mod....

sometimes i get the impression we as mods are "looking" for something to moderate...so we fish for something to do.....i hope this isnt the case.....

and if there is something that needs to be done, but you dont wanna waste your time sending an orgnoted message or at lease giving an explenation within the locked thread then dont take action and let the next mod who logs on take care of the matter...

that last option i do a lot.....say, there is a user that just annoys the hell out of me..and someone has reported the issue..I just let the mod request stay so that nikster and danza can look at the issue without my biases at play....

the next time i log on, walla the issue has been managed....

biggrin



Wow, good points. thumbs up!





I was gonna say that too but he already thinks he's so damn smart. mr.green
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Reply #23 posted 06/04/05 11:10am

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EvilWhiteMale said:

Lately I've been noticing that threads that criticize Prince get locked like crazy around here and people who post criticism are even bashed upon by the mods (I won't mention specific names).

So what's the deal? Is this a process leading into creating another NPGMC or housequake.com, where everyone has to kiss Prince's ass?


I'll tell you flat out that I don't kiss anyones ass. And I personally have no respect for professional/personal asskissers or snitches!!!

I don't like rats. And I hate roaches far worse!
mad smile

I can stand people that sugarcoat their statements or feelings.

I believe in the power of free speech (being from The Dirty South, USA). And I telling you as a concern friend that we should have that right to say exactly what's on your mind.

We're not promise to have any fans based upon the things we say. But there should be a level of respect for being honest.

Am I wrong?
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Reply #24 posted 06/04/05 12:35pm

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There may be other reasons why the thread was locked or removed. Maybe it was considered flame bait. Maybe it was a redundant thread. Maybe it was something offensive or inappropriate. Any which way, that should have already been explained to you in an orgnote, if it was your thread. If you didn't start the thread, then you wouldn't have recieved the explanation from the mod.

I agree with taking the time to write an explanation to an orger... to a certain point. If somebody does something that's blatantly against forum rules, especially if they have a history of causing trouble on here, what is the point of re-stating the obvious?

I really don't have the impression that any of the mods are Prince brown-nosers, I'm sure as hell not.
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Reply #25 posted 06/04/05 12:56pm

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TonyVanDam said:

EvilWhiteMale said:

Lately I've been noticing that threads that criticize Prince get locked like crazy around here and people who post criticism are even bashed upon by the mods (I won't mention specific names).

So what's the deal? Is this a process leading into creating another NPGMC or housequake.com, where everyone has to kiss Prince's ass?


I'll tell you flat out that I don't kiss anyones ass. And I personally have no respect for professional/personal asskissers or snitches!!!

I don't like rats. And I hate roaches far worse!
mad smile

I can stand people that sugarcoat their statements or feelings.

I believe in the power of free speech (being from The Dirty South, USA). And I telling you as a concern friend that we should have that right to say exactly what's on your mind.

We're not promise to have any fans based upon the things we say. But there should be a level of respect for being honest.

Am I wrong?
cool



The problem is that this site is not a democracy. Whatever Ben and the mods say, goes. There doesn't have to be a good reason for why these things happen. If a mod wants to delete a thread just because she has a personal problem with it, then that's that. We get no vote on the issue.
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Tom said:

There may be other reasons why the thread was locked or removed. Maybe it was considered flame bait.

Why would it be flame bait? It had nothing to do with members of this site, just Prince and Billy idol. If that's the case, then any thread that generates opposing views could be seen as flame bait. And that's shitty.

Maybe it was a redundant thread.

It had to do with my observation that at the age of 50, Billy Idol can still look cool acting young, so the argument that Prince is too old is ridiculous. I don't think that was redundant at all.

Maybe it was something offensive or inappropriate.

Nothing offensive or inappropriate about it.

Any which way, that should have already been explained to you in an orgnote, if it was your thread.

It has not been explained in any org notes despite my attempts. All I got were ridiculous explanations at the ends of the threads.

If you didn't start the thread, then you wouldn't have recieved the explanation from the mod.

I agree with taking the time to write an explanation to an orger... to a certain point. If somebody does something that's blatantly against forum rules, especially if they have a history of causing trouble on here, what is the point of re-stating the obvious?

I created that post to spark up some discussion, not to start trouble or offend anyone.

I really don't have the impression that any of the mods are Prince brown-nosers, I'm sure as hell not.

Well, somone seems to want this site to be more like the NPGMC, and that's a scary thing.

Just look at the Prince forum right now. There's not one thread that puts Prince in a bad light. It's all the same shit over and over again. Why are Prince's penis threads more important and postworthy than mine?

It's not news that posts that criticize threads Prince are frowned upon around here. When we say something unflattering, we're accused of whining, living in the 80's, and so on. Why do we have to suck Prince's dick in order to have our threads and posts kept alive?

I tried to find the thread, but of course, it's been deleted, because God forbid someone should be exposed to it. If people want to participate in a discussion, then why not let them? If the thread is crap, it'll disappear on its own. What's the rush to get rid of it?

Why do we need to be treated like the Marquis de Sade?

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Reply #28 posted 06/04/05 1:30pm

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EvilWhiteMale said:

Tom said:

There may be other reasons why the thread was locked or removed. Maybe it was considered flame bait.

Why would it be flame bait? It had nothing to do with members of this site, just Prince and Billy idol. If that's the case, then any thread that generates opposing views could be seen as flame bait. And that's shitty.

Maybe it was a redundant thread.

It had to do with my observation that at the age of 50, Billy Idol can still look cool acting young, so the argument that Prince is too old is ridiculous. I don't think that was redundant at all.

Maybe it was something offensive or inappropriate.

Nothing offensive or inappropriate about it.

Any which way, that should have already been explained to you in an orgnote, if it was your thread.

It has not been explained in any org notes despite my attempts. All I got were ridiculous explanations at the ends of the threads.

If you didn't start the thread, then you wouldn't have recieved the explanation from the mod.

I agree with taking the time to write an explanation to an orger... to a certain point. If somebody does something that's blatantly against forum rules, especially if they have a history of causing trouble on here, what is the point of re-stating the obvious?

I created that post to spark up some discussion, not to start trouble or offend anyone.

I really don't have the impression that any of the mods are Prince brown-nosers, I'm sure as hell not.

Well, somone seems to want this site to be more like the NPGMC, and that's a scary thing.

Just look at the Prince forum right now. There's not one thread that puts Prince in a bad light. It's all the same shit over and over again. Why are Prince's penis threads more important and postworthy than mine?

It's not news that posts that criticize threads Prince are frowned upon around here. When we say something unflattering, we're accused of whining, living in the 80's, and so on. Why do we have to suck Prince's dick in order to have our threads and posts kept alive?

I tried to find the thread, but of course, it's been deleted, because God forbid someone should be exposed to it. If people want to participate in a discussion, then why not let them? If the thread is crap, it'll disappear on its own. What's the rush to get rid of it?

Why do we need to be treated like the Marquis de Sade?



I was talking in general terms, not specifically about the billy idol thread. I wasn't sure which thread in particular you were taking issue with as I wrote that.
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Reply #29 posted 06/04/05 1:53pm

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I thought U were going soft on us EWM. I read the topic of your thread like it was a plea to Prince fans to stop criticizing him.
That's easy to agree to since i don't see anything to criticize Prince for. guitar sun

He can do whatever he wants and he still is the most versatile and talented artist alive.
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