analbolique said:

Now that makes a SHITLOAD of sense. Having "NSFW" does give insight on the content matter of the thread. I mean, if someone's making threads about dicks and coochies and not putting "NSFW" in the thread title, then i can see how that would be a problem.

nevermind edit
[Edited 4/30/05 13:57pm]

what does NSWF stand for anyway's?

There's alot of people who read this site at work, at home with other family members around, in public at a coffee shop, etc... It's very unexpected and embarassing to be flipping through threads and some giant pic of a nude guy spread eagle is filling up your screen.

In comparison, there's only a handful of people on here who seem to get a kick out of posting these kinds of pics.

There were several complaints about the pics that glamslamkid was posting, and those complaint emails come right into my Inbox. So as I'm checking my email at work, guess what flashes up on my screen as im clicking through emails...The "NSFW" was irrelevant in the title of the post.

If someone is simply searching the site (back when the search was working, or with the Google method), they could also wind up going to a thread that contains this kind of stuff when they weren't expecting it. If someone is using the "Previous thread"/"Next thread" links to flip through topics, the same thing can happen.

It's easy for people to stumble upon this stuff while browsing the Org. Some people aren't even aware what NSFW stands for, some people may think that even though the title says NSFW, that the content is still linked instead of displayed.

The forum rules ask that you don't post obscene material.

Tom said:

Like me...I didn't know what NSFW mean till sammi just told me...



but not that i mind the occasional lewed thread
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Tom said:

Come on. If you're going to make excuses like that you might as well ban all NSFW material, because if what you say if true, then even just linking to content with a NSFW warning will get them in trouble. I know I won't use that abbreviation or any other type of warning in the future because apparently people don't know what it means anyway.

Regarding Naked's thread and glamslamkid's posts, she didn't post that shit and she had already put NSFW in the title even before he posted those pics, so you are dead wrong.

PS: I think I've proven a long time ago that NSFW threads get more hits than the average thread without the warning. So it's not just a select few who "get a kick out of posting these kinds of pics", lots of people enjoy looking at it and there's not much I see posted here which I find obscene. So in the end it's up to those in power to decide what's obscene and what isn't. If being a moderator bothers you that much, maybe you shouldn't be one anymore.
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analbolique said:

If you crave porn on the web sites you visit, why don't you simply visit a porn site instead of Prince.org, instead of complaining about the nature of this site so much.

It's amazing that you assume people crave this stuff on here, I thought the low attendance on axestream proved that dead wrong several months ago...

I don't get what your problem is of just linking to the images? why post the images here and not links?
The NSFW should be a sign next to a link, not a topic, so people can still participate in that topic, without huge images and balls popping up on the screen.
If the link to the image says NSFW, then we know it might have some images that we should watch at work, but it still allows up to participate in the discussion safely.
[Edited 4/30/05 19:34pm]

i DO have to say... my thread was meant to be about hot guys.... when i came back it was covered in NAKED men, men that were in VERY SEXUAL positions... this was never my intention when i put the thread up there to begin with, however, i didnt feel that i had the right to say what was hot/not hot to me should go for all others...


i just want you to know that i NEVER started the type pictures that were being put in your email as 'upsetting'.

I have noticed some poeple posting stuff within threads that had no notice of it not being safe for work just for sheer shock value.

I started a thread about people kissing and some hardcore porn was posted within and if my girlfriend would have clicked on it (and she usually reads my posts) she probably would have been pretty upset as she would have never suspected it within a thread I started.

Also NSFW on this site used to be a cleavage shot or a dirty cartoon not explicit hardcore pornography. Personally when I see NSFW I think it's a joke I certainly don't expect hardcore porn because in many peoples mind hard core porn isn't really safe for home either. Many people aren't interested in seeing this at all.

analbolique said:

its all fine and dandy to debate the NSFW issue but lets all be clear on on what got glamslamkid banned. he was given specific instructions *not* to do something by a moderator and he continued defy the moderators decision. *that* is what got him banned.

Nooo fuck it!!! Bring on da pornz. Respect n substance- what'z dat?

Tom said:

I don't crave any porn. Except for maybe a funny cover of a porn movie or that screen cap of that 14 incher I've never posted any. All I do is post outrageous stuff which sometimes contains nudity. That doesn't necessarily make it porn though.

I'm not complaining about the nature of this website, I'm complaining about how you apply the rules and that you once again make a big deal out of someone posting some nude pics. If you want to ban him fine, but why start a thread about something which really isn't a structural problem and then get pissy when people have something to say about it?

Actually very few people were ever invited to axestream and despite of what you think it was set up for me to test the vBulletin software, not be compete with the org or anything. See, this is exactly the type of smart ass comments you get from mods around here when they run out of arguments.

sosgemini said:

I don't care about him getting banned. I don't like him anyway. Where did I mention not agreeing with the ban he got? All I'm saying is that people who clicked on that thread shouldn't have done it in the first place if they were in a situation in which NSFW material would be inappropriate.

I'm also arguing that after what Tom has said, NSFW warnings apparently don't mean shit, so why use them in the first place?

Tom said:

Boundaries are kinda hard to find, lately...what kind of site are we?

Look at the Amsterdam Invasion pic threads...

THAT's the site I love!

lovemachine said:

Then you should report such posts. Stuff like that will always happen though. Just like people will always flame each other even when they know the rules. Deal with the incidents, don't act like it's a structural problem.

HamsterHuey said:

It all started when this site stopped being a Prince site first and foremost. There are more non-Prince related forums and posts on this site than there are Princely ones.

analbolique said:

I know. I love the fact this site dedicated itself to a somewhat more free approach of discussing life, but it takes alot more policing. Lot of people cannot handle the freedom.

I know there is a healthy discussion going on, like the "I pity the fans who come here to get Prince info"- thread. (http://www.prince.org/msg/3/142156)
I loved reading people's thoughts on this. The Org has indeed lost a bit of it's reputation as a News site and gave Housequake a huge influx of people fed up with a lot of the antics going around here.

To me, that is okay. I miss some of them. But I am not here for getting mainly Prince news anymore. I have made so many frinds here that it is more of a social outlet.

That is something Ben needs to think about, if he wants to be a facilitator for people just hanging out or for people who want Prince news.



http://www.prince.org/msg/3/142156 edit
[Edited 5/1/05 1:28am]

HamsterHuey said:

No, no, no! I get all my Prince news from the Org and do my Princely socializing here. I am plenty pleased with how it is, so there is absolutely no reason for Ben to think about anything! At all.

WRONG FORUM!!!

This should be in the Prince.Org site discussion forum me thinks..

analbolique said:

How I apply the rules? When has the org ever welcomed explicit pics? This is not something I'm pulling out of thin air. Posts with explicit pics on here have been removed or converted to links for years now. I started a sticky about it that day because I noticed alot more those such threads/posts than usual.

analbolique said:

...and I did and now we have people protesting.

lovemachine said:

And I did too.

He says report, but when we report, they complain about the actions taken.

All because they wouldn't post a link to a photo instead of the photo itself.
It's so easy to post links, that I don't see what the problem is. The all was to shock people. It's all about "hear me roar" or "look how nasty I can get".

analbolique said:

i wasnt accussing you of anything... i just wanted to reiterate the obvious i guess.

sosgemini said:

WOW! Glam got banned. Such a shame really, I liked him. He was cool. All the best glamslamkid, wherever u r. Ha that thread he did was funny (if its the right one Iam thinking about showing the errect penises).

I understand the mods have to moderate or whatever. But can u blame posters for doing this? Not like u were strict before? Now suddenly u ban someone for this? It is not offensive but I guess some people have to complain. Yawn yawn yawn, bitch bitch bitch. It's the internet for christ sakes. Those posts were fucking funny. This site is great because we can post shit like that.

It will be a real shame to stop doing this and just become another "pussy" site.

And I cannot see any kids under 16 on here either, so no excuse there.

thesexofit said:

orgers are always given oppurtunities. we dont ban on first offense. and unless we have an age-check system set up Ben would could be heald liable for distributing porn to minors. now ya all know the prince world has some fucked up people. who knows who with what axe to grind against ben would do....ya feel me? we gotta always side with caution.

thesexofit said:

He was also posting hardcore porn in random threads that had nothing to do with sex or anything of adult nature.

sosgemini said:

Yes

thesexofit said:

Funny? When you lose your job because you were cought surfing on what you thought was a safe website and suddenly a huge pictures of ball hanging appears in your screen, trust me, you'd feel different.
It's the internet? What kind of bullshit is that? the people behind the screen are still humans.

It doesn't matter if the site was strict before or not. it's not a porn site, there are rules about posting porn. If you don't give shit about rules, you can only blame yourself.

I don't care if he's a good guy or not, what he did was inexcusable, especially when he was warned before about this. He decided to say "fuck the rules and moderators", went against then, and got fucked.

NakedSaxPlayer said:

okay, i'll take the bait on this one, because i'm sure i've done exactly what you've mentioned...in fact, i know i have. and i know that i've also locked and hidden certain NSFW threads that i'd previously posted on.

let me explain my insanity, which i will neither attempt to defend or apologize for, but will hopefully put into some kind of perspective:

i'm not interested in being the person who represents the sensibilities of everyone who visits this site. i would like to think that i get a good feel for what the group as a whole can tolerate and what everyone considers going over the line. and the way i am able to get that feel is by the feedback i get from all of you. when i get responses to a thread with questionable content asking to have the thread removed or edited, it tells me that the thread is going overboard. when there's something i consider 'iffy' but i'm not too sure, i wait to see what kind of response it gets. if there's no negative response, i figure, 'okay, folks can hang with this kind of content without getting bent out of shape, so i'm not going to be a total censor-happy fascist and delete it'.

i'm a pretty permissive guy where expression is concerned, and people have told me it's a good thing and others have told me it's a bad thing, and that i need to be more active in removing questionable stuff.

but here's my commitment to the site as a moderator (updating of news notwithstanding) - i'm most concerned about making personal judgments on content that concerns the SAFETY of those who visit the site. if i think something is going to harm members of the site - posting threats, posting personal information, posting content that's gonna get us dissed hard by londell - i'm gonna step in. nobody should feel threatened on here, and we shouldn't be doing things that's gonna get ben's site 86ed for good. beyond that, i'm only interested in making logical, 'editorial' decisions - if a thread about the 'rave' album is in the non-prince forum, i'll move it to the prince forum. if a thread devoted to tammy wynette is in the prince forum, i'll move it to the non-prince forum. and so on.

but as far as community standards on this site are concerned, you all are as much a part of this community as i am, and i need YOUR feedback in order to facilitate the ongoing decisions regarding what is appropriate and what is not appropriate content for the org.

and that's where i am with that, for better or for worse.