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Printablesosgemini said: are you reading any of what we have been debating? Of course not, I’m a newbie for Christ’s sake. | |
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If anything, recent discussions like this thread have brought two major changes:
1) An effort to update the FAQ. This is a great move. Something that should have happened a long time ago (heck, I remember Bart asking for updates and giving suggestions back when the site was fresh opened). Regardless, it's important to embrace that aspect of the site and bring back QUALITY Prince Related information. A suggestion would be to have an anniversary event where the sticky/faq is revisited. 
2) The Mods are taking note. Some of them more than others. Personally, I could do without the patronizing, sarcasm, and rhetoric from a mod or two, but that's just me and the background changes are more important. - Cheers -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Still it's nice to know, when our bodies wear out, we can get another -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- |
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I think anyone who acts as a moderator should conduct themselves with a level of professionalism. There's an element of responsibility that comes with the `job` and I think that's sometimes forgotten.
If Ben has not given clear guidelines on this, then maybe it's something you collectively need to address in his absense. There seems to be a difference of opinion amongst the mods on this. I think for a moderator to say "fuck `em" when talking about new members of this site is just plain wrong. Maybe the internet can be a big old nasty place, but is Prince.org? Is that the image you want to project? I often hear "we don't get paid you know, we work hard to keep this place going for free!". And that's appreciated. It truly is. However, no-one is holding a gun to your head, you can stop being a mod anytime you like and there'll be a dozen members applying for every vacant position. If it gets to the point you cannot moderate this site without frustrations creeping into your `work`, then re-consider your position. 
[smallprint] I didn't start this thread as I have no major issues with the moderation of this site. I think the mods are overall doing a great job. I don't think anyone should step down as a moderator. Colour/style may vary from that illustrated. I think the moderation of this site is much improved. If someone is holding a gun to your head, please orgnote me. 
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Anxiety said: sosgemini said: why is it a drain? are you talking about bandwidth or something? the only reason i mentioned the gd because its not a forum that i enjoy anymore and if i were to moderate it im sure i would get snippy with people there all the time.....but, the solution is that is for me *not* to hang out in the gd.. thats why i recommended having rotating mods for the prince: music more...cause if the problem is frustration, that might help eleviate the issue of newbies feeling dissed.... (im trying to come up with solutions like you've repeatedly recommended...cha know?) and you're doing a fantastic job of knocking around ideas. and no, for the kabobbibillionth time, i'm not being sarcastic. i'm just saying that if we didn't have a GD, we'd have one less forum to worry about moderating, and we'd be able to focus on the more relevant forums of this site, which is intended to be a fan site devoted to a particular artist. also, without the GD, there'd be less opportunity for people to post threads of a personal nature, and discussion would be more germaine to music and prince-related topics, which would give us more time to properly serve as resource specialists for those who are new users or casual users. i mean, as you've said repeatedly and as others have echoed, moderators do have certain obligations and responsibilities, and we don't need to be wasting our time with non-prince related stuff when we could be helping visitors to the site. and, ya know, it's not like we're exactly getting paid to do this, either. so, i don't know. maybe i'm seeing your point. but maybe my interpretation is that we should cut some of the fat from the site and streamline it so it's more of a utility for the fan community, and not so much a place to 'hang out' and chit chat about things that aren't related to prince's work and career. I'm sorry Anxiety but I dont agree. Instead of dismantling the GD forum or moderators simply washing their hands of it, wouldn't it be more constructive to try to find a solution to the problems in the GD forum. Perhaps a discussion about what it is that people dont like about that forum. I know your duties as a moderator are to keep some semblance of order amongst the chaos but it would also be helpful if the mods also played some part in helping to improve the org experience for this community. I know you are doing this for free and moderating can be a pain in the posterior at times but it's just a thought. This is a long standing community and many have been around for years, a lot of those people post in the GD forum and to lose them would be a shame. | |
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2the9s said: Idiot.
Yeah, very convincing coming from the resident retard up in this place... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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Neversin said: 2the9s said: Idiot.
Yeah, very convincing coming from the resident retard up in this place... Neversin. Look, kid. You've had absolutley nothing to contribute to this thread from the get go and you probaby need to take a deep breath and stop clicking on it before you run out of junior high vocabulary. Just take your own advice say "fuck it" and walk away while the grown ups figure things out. We'll let you know how it turns out!  | |
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doctormcmeekle said: So does this mean we can finally get some answers about the rib-removal thing?
 he had his rib removed to construct his new nose from  | |
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XxAxX said: doctormcmeekle said: So does this mean we can finally get some answers about the rib-removal thing?
he had his rib removed to construct his new nose from That's not what I heard..... :gulp: | |
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doctormcmeekle said: I think for a moderator to say "fuck `em" when talking about new members of this site is just plain wrong. How any moderator could lead themselves 2 blieve that this is an appropriate line of thinking is quite staggering.
Eye have 2 agree with those who have brought these issues 2 light: the Prince.org community does NOT benefit from such patronising, antagonistic n hostile attitudes. It's un4tunate that Dansa does not c the sense n changing how she bhaves. As such, n with all due respect, she should CONsider stepping down as a moderator n CONtinue 2 njoy the site as an ordinary member. (Just as long as Neversin is not her replacement). love . [Edited 4/23/05 11:13am] | |
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Haystack is WAY off talking to Dansa that way, I don't blame her for taking a mini-break. We may disagree on how moceration is done or not done sometimes, but we need to remember to TRY and treat each other with respect. Haystack, you plainly forgot that. Also, your latest comments on this topic suggests you still have too much interest in this site and how it's run. Take a break you too. See you when you get back, get a muzzle while you're gone.  | |
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This thread is a lot like that story about the 4 blind men who are trying to describe an elephant.
These men have never seen an elephant before, so they are all trying to describe it based on what they can feel of the mammoth beast, their own experience. One man grabs onto the elephant's tail and so describes the elephant to be like a rope. He's like the newbies. Another man feels the trunk and describes it to be like a snake. That's like the moderators. A third man comes up against one of the elephant's legs and so describes the creature to be like a tree. That's like the GD posters. A fourth man brushed up against the side of the elephant and describes his experience to be like a wall. That's the intelligent P:M&M posters. See, so everyone has their place here, and we are all partially right in what we see. Oh yeah, and then there's the elephant shit. That's ummm... nevermind.
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2the9s said: This thread is a lot like that story about the 4 blind men who are trying to describe and elephant.
These men have never seen an elephant before, so they are all trying to describe it based on what they can feel of the mammoth beast, their own experience. One man grabs onto the elephant's tail and so describes the elephant to be like a rope. He's like the newbies. Another man feels the trunk and describes it to be like a snake. That's like the moderators. A third man comes up against one of the elephant's legs and so describes the creature to be like a tree. That's like the GD posters. A fourth man brushed up against the side of the elephant and describes his experience to be like a wall. That's the intelligent P:M&M posters. See, so everyone has their place here, and we are all partially right in what we see. Oh yeah, and then there's the elephant shit. That's ummm... nevermind.
2the9s [Edited 4/23/05 12:27pm] Trust you to bring elephants into this. 
As if we dont have enough to contend with and now we have to deal with elephants too. | |
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2the9s said: This thread is a lot like that story about the 4 blind men who are trying to describe and elephant.
These men have never seen an elephant before, so they are all trying to describe it based on what they can feel of the mammoth beast, their own experience. One man grabs onto the elephant's tail and so describes the elephant to be like a rope. He's like the newbies. Another man feels the trunk and describes it to be like a snake. That's like the moderators. A third man comes up against one of the elephant's legs and so describes the creature to be like a tree. That's like the GD posters. A fourth man brushed up against the side of the elephant and describes his experience to be like a wall. That's the intelligent P:M&M posters. See, so everyone has their place here, and we are all partially right in what we see. Oh yeah, and then there's the elephant shit. That's ummm... nevermind.
2the9s Are you saying elephants should run the org?
That's crazy talk!  | |
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This thread explains a whole lot about why this particular "oldie" hasn't been around lately. I'm sorry I stopped by today, in fact. 
Org Politcal Correctness, here espoused in typical fashion by sosgemini and. . .whatshecallinghimself. . .:scroll: . . . Enigmoid, is nauseating and ridiculous. Get a grip, people! I find it amusing that the only moderator who has EVER been rude to me (publicly and privately, and I'm not the only one), a presumably valued long-term member of this community, is fussing about how newbies are treated. Dansa: you have my wholehearted support. You are what is right about this place. Anxiety, Tom, Teacher:
Prince: for gawd's sake, DO SOMETHING INTERESTING! I'm beggin' ya. . . | |
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doctormcmeekle said: XxAxX said: he had his rib removed to construct his new nose from That's not what I heard..... :gulp: well i heard all gay people do that. and prince is gay, isn't he | |
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i don't have anything to add to the discussion about the challenges of moderating and how to deal with newbies  i think moderating would be really hard up in here, so hats off to those people who actually volunteer their time and energy and help keep the website going.
i would like to see people limited to creating only one thread a day but that has nothing to do with this discussion so, alls i can add that's even relevant is anyway i had a dream about elephants running the org. they walked off the job after only two days 'cause they didn't like working for peanuts .. .. | |
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2the9s said: Look, kid. You've had absolutley nothing to contribute to this thread from the get go and you probaby need to take a deep breath and stop clicking on it before you run out of junior high vocabulary.
You've had absolutely 0 to contribute to this site alltogether, so what's your point? Oh, as usual, you don't have one... Just take your own advice say "fuck it" and walk away while the grown ups figure things out.
Sure gramps... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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tackam said: This thread explains a whole lot about why this particular "oldie" hasn't been around lately. I'm sorry I stopped by today, in fact.
Org Politcal Correctness, here espoused in typical fashion by sosgemini and. . .whatshecallinghimself. . .:scroll: . . . Enigmoid, is nauseating and ridiculous. Get a grip, people! I find it amusing that the only moderator who has EVER been rude to me (publicly and privately, and I'm not the only one), a presumably valued long-term member of this community, is fussing about how newbies are treated. Dansa: you have my wholehearted support. You are what is right about this place. Anxiety, Tom, Teacher:
Prince: for gawd's sake, DO SOMETHING INTERESTING! I'm beggin' ya. . . interesting that you forgot to point out that i deleted my comments because i realized that i had made a mistake. but that doesnt fit within your cute lil statement now does it. you see, i did that because i value your participation within this site/community. (even though i disagree with how you express yourself...this post being a perfect example.) heck, i even admitted that i have been an jerk and posted inappropriate statements as a mod (within this very thread)....its not about being PC. Its about RESPECT. Werent you the one crapping about not being respected for making your polygamy declaration? Is that not the same as a newbie asking a question and wanting an answer back? soapbox rant and make things personal statements be damned.... fyi: i dont know you but i still respect you.... [Edited 4/24/05 8:41am] Space for sale... | |
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tackam said: This thread explains a whole lot about why this particular "oldie" hasn't been around lately. I'm sorry I stopped by today, in fact.
Org Politcal Correctness, here espoused in typical fashion by sosgemini and. . .whatshecallinghimself. . .:scroll: . . . Enigmoid, is nauseating and ridiculous. Get a grip, people! I find it amusing that the only moderator who has EVER been rude to me (publicly and privately, and I'm not the only one), a presumably valued long-term member of this community, is fussing about how newbies are treated. Dansa: you have my wholehearted support. You are what is right about this place. Anxiety, Tom, Teacher:
Prince: for gawd's sake, DO SOMETHING INTERESTING! I'm beggin' ya. . .   
sorry,humor is my way of defussing tension. i would much prefer you sharing your opinion on this topic sans the personal attacks. i gotta admit that when i first read your post i got soo annoyed i didnt even absorb what your opinion on this issue was. people, ya know i totally disagree with liligish and funkmistress on this issue. but that doesnt mean i am going to hold a grudge against them and discredit their opinions on other topics just to spite them. the whole point of us keeping this thread open is to hear what you all feel about this issue so that we can form a consensus. but please keep in mind that that doesnt give you the right to attack dansa (or myself)..... and if you feel that ive been an ass to you then freakin orgnote me and let it all out...others have.....and others will. [Edited 4/24/05 9:58am] Space for sale... | |
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Neversin said: 2the9s said: Look, kid. You've had absolutley nothing to contribute to this thread from the get go and you probaby need to take a deep breath and stop clicking on it before you run out of junior high vocabulary.
You've had absolutely 0 to contribute to this site alltogether, so what's your point? Oh, as usual, you don't have one... Just take your own advice say "fuck it" and walk away while the grown ups figure things out.
Sure gramps... Neversin. Sooo....basically...."I know you are but what am I?" 
Glad to see all that close reading of Nietzsche is serving you well! | |
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Why not bring back the star rating system then all the frustrations will be dealt with in that fashion? | |
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DiamondGirl said: Why not bring back the star rating system then all the frustrations will be dealt with in that fashion?
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doctormcmeekle said: DiamondGirl said: Why not bring back the star rating system then all the frustrations will be dealt with in that fashion?
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Anxiety said: enigmoid,
i think you're a really well-spoken, very intelligent person. i think you've brought a lot to this site, and i don't have the slightest damn thing against you. that said: what you just wrote about dansa was absolutely out of line and way off base. for you to "read" her on a personal level, simply because you don't see eye to eye with her on her moderating style, speaks volumes more about your character than it does about hers. i think you will come to regret what you've written, and that you posted it for folks to read. or not. but my money's on the regret. what you wrote also smacks of a great amount of presumptuousness, and of the fact that you have clearly never met this young woman. i've had the pleasure of hanging out with her, and you know what? you got it all wrong. take my word for it. i think this thread has opened up some really positive - or at least useful - streams of dialog that will be helpful to a lot of the folks who have read and participated in this round of posts. i also think there have certainly been some flirtations with personal issues and axe-grindings that really don't need to be confused with discussing the theory and practice of site moderation. i kindly ask that you keep your personal issues on the personal realm, and reserve your punchlist of dansa's personality flaws for an orgnote correspondence, or at best, another thread topic. i find it really interesting - and more than a little disappointing - that this thread has deteriorated into a dissection of one person's character. i don't want to sound self-righteous, lord knows i do fucked-up things my damn self, but that was really, really uncalled for. period. So I gave a strong opinion on a mod? Why is that uncalled for? If you're a mod, then surely you must accept that you're open to criticism? I feel that Dansa has been out of line of late. Surely it wouldn't be that hard for her to accept this criticism and defend herself, rather than just deny it and arrogantly ignore it. When I started this thread, I mentioned no names because I don't like to point specific people out. It was a general observation and even though I knew who I was referring to, I was trying to do the right thing by not being specific. Dansa involved herself into this discussion by quoting my initial post and revealing that she doesn't care about others' views on her way of thinking/posting. So it was clearly a case of 'if the shoe fits...' Now it was clear by her responses that she has a 'fuck em' attitude, so therefore no matter what criticisms are thrown her way she has given the impression that she won't care what's said. If this is true, then it won't matter if some people here post what they genuinely think of her attitudes. I posted a strong attitude towards a mod, that's all. No matter whether or not you agree or disagree with it, a mod should be open to any criticism thrown their way. And they should at least have the courage to accept the criticism and respond accordingly, rather than just refuse to accept it and arrogantly carry on. And anybody who's got any balls will happily allow for their conversation to be seen by all, rather than hiding it in an Orgnote. I don't care about Prince.Org these days, however I do care about the new fans who may think that this place may be some help when it comes to their questions about Prince and his career. We have the perfect opportunity to welcome new people and become the first port of call to new Prince fans (put Prince into Google and the Org comes up first). God forbid that their first introduction to the world of Prince should be the Stepford Wives world of NPGMC! At the Org, once upon a time, we prided ourselves on being a genuinely welcoming community and we were THE place to be for the genuine fans who weren't taken in by the syrupy world of the New Power Generation and wanted to explore the wonderful world of Prince and his music. Since Musicology, we've had the misfortune to be represented by an Org that seems to allows it's representatives to simply laugh at new fans and whatever questions they throw into the pot. We shouldn't allow ourselves to be represented in this way. As a community, I thought we would enjoy bringing new fans into our worldwide group. Clearly some people don't think that way. And just to respond to one or two points made on this thread. I really don't care about Prince.Org these days since it allowed itself to sink to the point where it mocked new fans and allowed moderators to be the worst offenders of it. If I really cared about this site, then I wouldn't be speaking my mind, I'd be trying to post nice things in an attempt to try and not ruin my reputation within the community. It's what people do when they want to be accepted in an internet community. But I've grown away from that. I'll happily speak my mind these days because I just love the idea of having a lot of new Prince fans and therefore keeping the community alive and that rises above my desire to be accepted amongst the Prince fan community. I know how crazy that must sound to some folks here, but the new fans are just as worthy as us oldies and we should happily answer their questions regardless of how many times we've heard the same things asked. Ben obviously doesn't care about how much webspace is being used, so why should we? Secondly, I call myself Enigmoid on Prince.Org these days and that's the only name I've used for quite a while now. It's only others who have called me Haystack of late and that's no criticism of them, but it is a criticism of those who are trying to use what they're misunderstanding as multiple names in a dumb attempt to belittle me. You'll have to do better than that. To some extent, I feel that I'm perhaps in a better position to post supposedly controversial opinons on the Org these days. I'm a long time poster and observer, but about a year ago I decided to make this place far less important in my life. I've got nothing to lose by posting my opinions here and I don't care what other members think. Therefore, that's why I'm happy to speak my mind and not care about what other members think. This is my fourth post on this thread. That's a very small percentage of the total number of posts. It's clear that a lot of people have an issue with the subject I initially raised. Food for thought, definitely. Oh, and I've got no regret about what I've posted. I spoke my mind and have created a thread which has been appreciated by a number of people. Anxiety, don't make the same assumptions that you're accusing me of. I'm proud of this thread and I'm glad that I've made Dansa think about her role here. I just wish that she'd accepted that she wasn't appreciated by all and had at least shown that she was either regretful or had the courage to accept the criticisms aimed at her. She's feathered her own nest here and shouldn't play the victim when her own weaknesses have been exposed. | |
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Tom said: If you're gonna back someone in a corner, read them for filth, call them names, dismiss all the time they've spent helping out on this site for a couple years now, and over-exaggerate every thing you dislike about them as being the downfall of this entire site, don't expect them to be gracious and apologetic with you. I really doubt if you two switched shoes and she was instead taking you through the ringer this way, you would be peachy and understanding about it. At this point, is it about correcting a problem you've noticed on this site, or is it about squeezing an apology out of someone?
Has there ever been a time in the history of Prince.org that there weren't people loathing some of the moderators/moderating on here? Will there ever be? I'm glad the thread was started, and I'm all ears to your concerns, as I'm assuming everyone else is as well. But this thread has gotten way off course. You two obviously disagree, as was made clear many posts ago. We had a contest on here to design little banners much like the ones she was using. And alot of people participated in that, and contributed some silly ones of their own. I seriously had no idea any new orgers were getting that offended by them. As far at the "senioritis" that exists on here amongst old-school orgers, that extends beyond the moderators. There's plenty of other orgers that have done that as well and could be called out on it. Is it gonna be in the back of my mind now to be more concious and considerate of new orgers, certainly. But what good is the name calling? We're not obligated to be everyone's friend on here. Several times on this thread it's crossed over from questioning/discussing someones moderating decisions, to flat out personal attacks on their character. Not to mention people playing Good Mod/Bad Mod. Everyone needs some time to cool down for a bit. Don't make assumptions. This is about the Org and it's unwelcoming attitude to new people. Don't forget, Dansa made this personal by drawing herself into what I'd originally posted (and my initial post didn't give names) so she's only got herself to blame for anything personal aimed at her, especially given her 'fuck em' attitude. And as for switching shoes... Being a moderator is something that you voluntarily accept and more importantly voluntarily carry on doing. Any mod who complains about what a chore it is and uses it as a defence against criticism is clearly doing the drama queen thing and it's a pointless exercise because everyone here is aware that it's something that you can stop at any point. Don't give us the 'Woe is me' attitude. If you don't like the flack you get when moderating, then simply stop doing it. Easy. I bet this thread gets locked very soon. | |
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Enigmoid said: Right, we've finally established a sticky thread where new people can look to see if their questions have already been answered. But even so...
This place has become so unwelcoming to new people. The impression that I'm curently getting from this place is that it consists merely of a clique of oldies who just want to remain the only ones in 'the circle'. The most annoying thing is this dull, overworked joke of posting a pic of Prince in some shocked, surprised or disgusted pose and dubbing on some words that basically put down the person who's dared to start a thread asking a question of their hero. Even worse is that a number of supposedly respected members of this site are the worst offenders of this frankly never-funny-in-the-first-place joke. If we're going to put down new people, can we at least do it in an original and freshly witty way? Nope? Thought not. I purposely decided to take less interest in this site because I felt that it was taking up too much of my time. Now I look at it and thank God that I'm not that into it anymore because it's become the embarrassment that it has been accused of from other parties for some time now. I never thought I'd ever say that about what used to be my beloved Org. If anybody I knew suddenly took an interest in Prince, I'd tell them to keep away from this place because all it seems to do these days is take the piss out of those who haven't lived, breathed and shat Prince for the past 20 years. There's a big difference in having fun and putting people down. Sadly, the Org is getting to the point where putting people down is taking a higher priority than having fun. We've all been new to Prince at some point in our lives. Back in 1994, even after 9 years of fandom, I was at a record fair and asked the guy who was manning the Madhouse stall about Glam Slam Ulysses and if it was real and if any recordings existed of it. He must have been asked about it many times, and yet he was so enthusiastic and informed me that the only recordings were crap with regards to sound quality. He wasn't condascending nor patronising and spoke to me like I was a great friend, simply because I was a Prince fan. Before the internet, you were ecstatic to meet a new Prince fan and discuss various issues, regardless of whether or not you agreed/disagreed with each other. You met fans as people first and opinions after. Sadly, the internet has spoilt us and we've created an army of fans that see the 'newbie' first and the person after. Yeah, the new people may ask questions that we see as 'dumb', but it would be nice if we could all be polite, non patronising (this seems impossible around here) and helpful (a large number of peeps around here may need to look this word up) when mentioning to them that their questions have already been answered elsewhere, rather than just taking the piss and making new people look like idiots and feel totally unwelcome. Posting on the Org is becoming less and less attractive. There is no excuse for rudeness, patronising attitudes and plain piss-taking. Just a reminder for the hard of remembering: talk to people on an internet forum as you would if you spoke to them face to face. Ben would turn in his grave... Wait, he's not dead. and all that makes this site different than any other internet forum how?  you need to get out more."I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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Tessa said: and all that makes this site different than any other internet forum how?
you need to get out more.That's the best you could do? How about putting some thought and originality into your responses? At least the main players on this thread have put forward a damn good point and we've gotta respect them for that. 'You need to get out more' is one of the easiest put-downs ever. You need to find more originality and make more of an effort when responding to an issue. I've got a great social life and I've got a partner who loves me dearly and lots of friends who I go out with so I don't think I need to get out more at all. Heck, it'd be cheaper for me to spend more nights in. | |
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Enigmoid said: Tessa said: and all that makes this site different than any other internet forum how?
you need to get out more.That's the best you could do? How about putting some thought and originality into your responses? At least the main players on this thread have put forward a damn good point and we've gotta respect them for that. 'You need to get out more' is one of the easiest put-downs ever. You need to find more originality and make more of an effort when responding to an issue. I've got a great social life and I've got a partner who loves me dearly and lots of friends who I go out with so I don't think I need to get out more at all. Heck, it'd be cheaper for me to spend more nights in. How about getting a life and not putting so much stock in the state of some ridiculous, inconsequential internet forum instead of expounding for paragraph upon paragraph about it? Dude, it's just Prince. It's just the Internet. You'll live. I don't know what rock you've been hiding under in the time that you've been here, but I've been here off and on since the day it opened (years before there were forums... and before there were even news threads), and nothing about it has changed in that time. It's been a snakepit of vile, petty, vengeful, scumbags since the beginning. Of course, it's also been a lot of fun, with a lot of cool people as well. Both have always existed side by side, and complaining about the downside of it 8.5 years later seems kind of pointless. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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Tessa said: Enigmoid said: That's the best you could do? How about putting some thought and originality into your responses? At least the main players on this thread have put forward a damn good point and we've gotta respect them for that. 'You need to get out more' is one of the easiest put-downs ever. You need to find more originality and make more of an effort when responding to an issue. I've got a great social life and I've got a partner who loves me dearly and lots of friends who I go out with so I don't think I need to get out more at all. Heck, it'd be cheaper for me to spend more nights in. How about getting a life and not putting so much stock in the state of some ridiculous, inconsequential internet forum instead of expounding for paragraph upon paragraph about it? Dude, it's just Prince. It's just the Internet. You'll live. I don't know what rock you've been hiding under in the time that you've been here, but I've been here off and on since the day it opened (years before there were forums... and before there were even news threads), and nothing about it has changed in that time. It's been a snakepit of vile, petty, vengeful, scumbags since the beginning. Of course, it's also been a lot of fun, with a lot of cool people as well. Both have always existed side by side, and complaining about the downside of it 8.5 years later seems kind of pointless. What a defeatist attitude: regarding being online or offline. | |
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Tessa said: Enigmoid said: Right, we've finally established a sticky thread where new people can look to see if their questions have already been answered. But even so...
This place has become so unwelcoming to new people. The impression that I'm curently getting from this place is that it consists merely of a clique of oldies who just want to remain the only ones in 'the circle'. The most annoying thing is this dull, overworked joke of posting a pic of Prince in some shocked, surprised or disgusted pose and dubbing on some words that basically put down the person who's dared to start a thread asking a question of their hero. Even worse is that a number of supposedly respected members of this site are the worst offenders of this frankly never-funny-in-the-first-place joke. If we're going to put down new people, can we at least do it in an original and freshly witty way? Nope? Thought not. I purposely decided to take less interest in this site because I felt that it was taking up too much of my time. Now I look at it and thank God that I'm not that into it anymore because it's become the embarrassment that it has been accused of from other parties for some time now. I never thought I'd ever say that about what used to be my beloved Org. If anybody I knew suddenly took an interest in Prince, I'd tell them to keep away from this place because all it seems to do these days is take the piss out of those who haven't lived, breathed and shat Prince for the past 20 years. There's a big difference in having fun and putting people down. Sadly, the Org is getting to the point where putting people down is taking a higher priority than having fun. We've all been new to Prince at some point in our lives. Back in 1994, even after 9 years of fandom, I was at a record fair and asked the guy who was manning the Madhouse stall about Glam Slam Ulysses and if it was real and if any recordings existed of it. He must have been asked about it many times, and yet he was so enthusiastic and informed me that the only recordings were crap with regards to sound quality. He wasn't condascending nor patronising and spoke to me like I was a great friend, simply because I was a Prince fan. Before the internet, you were ecstatic to meet a new Prince fan and discuss various issues, regardless of whether or not you agreed/disagreed with each other. You met fans as people first and opinions after. Sadly, the internet has spoilt us and we've created an army of fans that see the 'newbie' first and the person after. Yeah, the new people may ask questions that we see as 'dumb', but it would be nice if we could all be polite, non patronising (this seems impossible around here) and helpful (a large number of peeps around here may need to look this word up) when mentioning to them that their questions have already been answered elsewhere, rather than just taking the piss and making new people look like idiots and feel totally unwelcome. Posting on the Org is becoming less and less attractive. There is no excuse for rudeness, patronising attitudes and plain piss-taking. Just a reminder for the hard of remembering: talk to people on an internet forum as you would if you spoke to them face to face. Ben would turn in his grave... Wait, he's not dead. and all that makes this site different than any other internet forum how? you need to get out more. Space for sale... | |
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