Anxiety said:

how about copying this and holding on to it till people start saying your frequently being rude to them...

and hey, it will probably happen one day...it will probably happen to all of us. heck, it happened to me a few months back even (on a smaller scale).

sosgemini said:

every move i make is another flirtation with schadenfreude, so i'm sure you're right about whatever point it is you're making, and that your point will come to fruition tenfold. i only hope i can make my karmic comeuppance suitably satisfying for those waiting for my moment in the tar and feathers.

Anxiety said:

being the simpleton that i am i had to google schadenfreude...(hey, i know im not the only one).... learn something new everyday..thanks!

Word of the Day for Wednesday May 10, 2000
schadenfreude \SHAHD-n-froy-duh\, noun:
A malicious satisfaction in the misfortunes of others.

The historian Peter Gay -- who felt Schadenfreude as a Jewish child in Nazi-era Berlin, watching the Germans lose coveted gold medals in the 1936 Olympics -- has said that it "can be one of the great joys of life."
--Edward Rothstein, "Missing the Fun of a Minor Sin." New York Times, February 5, 2000

Often the people Pi met in Mendocino wanted to hear these terrible stories, the personal disasters, or they quoted them back to her from what they'd read, with a certain glitter in their eyes -- giving Pi the chance to wonder again as she once had in a Wittgenstein seminar why there wasn't a word in English for Schadenfreude, that very human pleasure taken in other people's misery.
--Sylvia Brownrigg, The Metaphysical Touch

If self-replicating e-commerce baby tycoons get on your nerves, it's schadenfreude time. It's true that the Nasdaq rebounded after its staggering loss Tuesday. Nonetheless, what AP described as "the most volatile day ever for U.S. stocks" left a distinctly bearish aftertaste.
--"Market Motion Sickness." The Industry Standard's Media Grok, April 5, 2000

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Dansa, this response shows an uncharacteristic arrogance from you. You know as well as I do that if you met any of these people face to face you wouldn't talk to them in the same way as you do on here. You're way above that and you know it. I suspect that your response here is just a cover for the fact that you're unwilling to accept that some people find your endless 'Prince pic/boring insult text' gag plain tiresome. And we'd respect you more if you accepted that not everybody appreciates these put-downs. What happened to you, man? It used to be about the music.

Anyhoo. Your sig suggests that you're a supporter of the Gay Org Mafia (it's actually Org Gay Mafia). Now, just to remind you, I invented the Org Gay Mafia and the idea was that we accepted everybody and didn't judge or label anybody. Judging and putting down 'newbies' cos it's easy, doesn't fit in with the Org Gay Mafia's policy.

You're a true star around here. Don't spoil it by refusing to admit or even contemplate that you ain't always going to be right (and so far on this thread, that's the impression that people are getting). I've lost count of the amount of times I've expressed my sense of humour and it's gone down like a lead balloon. But I've learnt to appreciate that not everybody enjoys my humour. I've also learnt that in many cases, tact and restraint is the order of the day no matter how much I want to fight against it. Sometimes you just have to realise that no matter how much we dislike it, others may actually have a valid point.

No matter how many people move into my neighbourhood, if they ask me where the nearest shop is, I'll give them directions. The last thing I'd do is say 'Oh Lawd! Not again?' and tell them to ask around elsewhere and find out for themselves. And if I was a representative of the community, then I'd feel even more obliged to provide them with directions and welcome them into the neighbourhood. I might politely advise them to read any signs next time, but there's no way I'd make any attempt to belittle them or humiliate them.

This is a great thread, though I have one question: why was milkandhoney's comment removed while Neversin's moronic comments are allowed to remain?

2the9s said:

Enigmoid said:

i most definitely would. you're not me, so don't try and crawl in my head to attempt to figure me out cuz it ain't happening.

i've never thought of myself as a star. i am me and me only. all the accolades i get doesn't change that fact. i'm not here to impress anybody--if someone thinks in those terms, that's on them.

2the9s said:

Another idiot...
Some of my comments magically disappeared too...

Neversin.

Handclapsfingasnapz said:

Yeah, she'd definitely say that to their faces, too.

Anxiety said:

FunkMistress said:

once again i want to clarify we are not talking about regular orgers but moderators.

i just wanna set that straight cause i dont want the conversation to go back to censoring what orgers say. nobody is proposing that we do that.

sosgemini said:

The original post was about the general climate, not specifically about moderators.

SOS, I know you have your own issues with the behavior of mods. Personally, I don't believe that mod status automatically confers some sort of cloak of intimidation, nor do I believe that the rest of us will jump on some sort of bandwagon of behavior simply because it's exhibited by a moderator.

FunkMistress said:

fair enough. however, its us mods that would be determining what rules are set by the orgers and i the consensus is that we dont want to put checks on orgers. so i didnt want to conjure up that whole part of the debate all over again...

in regards to the bandwagon statement..ive seen far too many complaints or lashes from newbies who feel they have been slighted. you've seen the threads cause you've participated in them. i just dont think that its proper for a mod to conduct themselves in that manner...

once again, a seperate log-in would eliminate all of this.

sosgemini said:

I think that's a ridiculous idea.

FunkMistress said:

well i think its ridiculous for a new user of this site to be accosted by a moderator.

i guess we will have to agree to disagree now wont me?

sosgemini said:

Yes me will.

FunkMistress said:

not ridiculous, just a totally unneeded feature. as i'd said earlier in this thread (it's somewhere), it'd be akin to clark kent running constantly to a phone booth to change into superman. sounds like a good idea, but basically that's all it is: an idea. it'd be really really awkward if it were actually put into place.

at any rate, i'm more or less done with this thread. it's gone somewhat well without too much hiccups (so far).

Handclapsfingasnapz said:[quote]

Enigmoid said:

Oh for fuck's sake. Get over yourself woman.

You ain't important in any way shape or form. Moderating the Org has clearly been your finest achievement in life and it's obvious that it's gone to your head. Nobody would want to crawl inside that head because it's clearly full of self important shite. I'm glad that you're a moderator here, cos that's the only way you're going to feel important in life. Oh and by the way, when I said you were a star, I was trying to be nice. It wasn't an accolade, it was just trying to diffuse the situation somewhat. But now I see that you have no intention of trying to keep a friendly atmosphere and you have no intention of taking others' views on board. You really are the most judgmental, intolerant moderator here. I don't have to be nice to you now, seeing as you've shown that you're not willing to take any criticism whatsoever on board and you're pretending that you don't care what people think. So, I'll quite happily say this: You're prejudiced towards 'newbies'. You're against racism, homophobia et al, but you're happy to show prejudice towards new Prince fans. Double standards aren't nice. And no matter how you try to defend yourself, you've exposed yourself as discriminatory and hypocritical. You're a joke as a moderator.

You can laugh it off, you can pretend that it doesn't bother you (as you are clearly doing - I bet you aren't done with this thread at all), you can spend hours trying to think of a decent retort, but the truth has been seen by all who read this thread.

Prince.Org is at a disadvantage having you as a moderator. You go against everything that I thought this site stood for. And there's very few people here who seem to have jumped to your support despite the amount of views this thread has got.

enigmoid,

i think you're a really well-spoken, very intelligent person. i think you've brought a lot to this site, and i don't have the slightest damn thing against you.

that said:

what you just wrote about dansa was absolutely out of line and way off base. for you to "read" her on a personal level, simply because you don't see eye to eye with her on her moderating style, speaks volumes more about your character than it does about hers. i think you will come to regret what you've written, and that you posted it for folks to read. or not. but my money's on the regret.

what you wrote also smacks of a great amount of presumptuousness, and of the fact that you have clearly never met this young woman. i've had the pleasure of hanging out with her, and you know what? you got it all wrong. take my word for it.

i think this thread has opened up some really positive - or at least useful - streams of dialog that will be helpful to a lot of the folks who have read and participated in this round of posts. i also think there have certainly been some flirtations with personal issues and axe-grindings that really don't need to be confused with discussing the theory and practice of site moderation. i kindly ask that you keep your personal issues on the personal realm, and reserve your punchlist of dansa's personality flaws for an orgnote correspondence, or at best, another thread topic.

i find it really interesting - and more than a little disappointing - that this thread has deteriorated into a dissection of one person's character. i don't want to sound self-righteous, lord knows i do fucked-up things my damn self, but that was really, really uncalled for. period.

Neversin said:

Not the ones I was referring to.

Idiot.

If you're gonna back someone in a corner, read them for filth, call them names, dismiss all the time they've spent helping out on this site for a couple years now, and over-exaggerate every thing you dislike about them as being the downfall of this entire site, don't expect them to be gracious and apologetic with you. I really doubt if you two switched shoes and she was instead taking you through the ringer this way, you would be peachy and understanding about it. At this point, is it about correcting a problem you've noticed on this site, or is it about squeezing an apology out of someone?

Has there ever been a time in the history of Prince.org that there weren't people loathing some of the moderators/moderating on here? Will there ever be?

I'm glad the thread was started, and I'm all ears to your concerns, as I'm assuming everyone else is as well. But this thread has gotten way off course. You two obviously disagree, as was made clear many posts ago.

We had a contest on here to design little banners much like the ones she was using. And alot of people participated in that, and contributed some silly ones of their own. I seriously had no idea any new orgers were getting that offended by them. As far at the "senioritis" that exists on here amongst old-school orgers, that extends beyond the moderators. There's plenty of other orgers that have done that as well and could be called out on it. Is it gonna be in the back of my mind now to be more concious and considerate of new orgers, certainly. But what good is the name calling? We're not obligated to be everyone's friend on here.

Several times on this thread it's crossed over from questioning/discussing someones moderating decisions, to flat out personal attacks on their character. Not to mention people playing Good Mod/Bad Mod.

Everyone needs some time to cool down for a bit.

i am bad mod!!!

i'm MOD MAX.

Tom said:

With a few minor word changes, this could also apply to the way mods might consider making comments both publically and privately about the members here whether new OR old. Three strikes and you're out and these strikes exist for what, years? Good orger/bad orger.

You think I come here for the mods or to watch amp rejects like the morons above wank over their boot collections? But you all should be coming here for us.

Sometimes I get the feeling that it would be a lot easier for the mods and for the site owner if there were no members at all.

Having said that, I will repeat something I said not too long ago: the moderation here is 1000% better than it was. And threads like this are proof of it.

And I personally don't have any problems with Hands, in fact I think she's a great mod, though I do see Haystack's point about the way newbies are treated in general and wish it was otherwise. I actually like the humor of the banners she uses. I think they are a great way to defuse tempers before things get out of hand (though I may have missed some particular incident); but if it's true people are getting offended by them and that was not the intent...adjust.

And don't be offended if someone suggests you step down (though I am not suggesting ANY mod should, just to be clear!). If your constant response to users who don't understand why they are being talked to like children is "if you don't like it, leave!" or "log off for a while!" "take a break!" "It's just the internet!" -- expect the same in return I guess. Does that make it right? No.

The common denominator to many of the problems on this thread (no solid mod policy, no search engine, etc) is that Ben doesn't take an interest in this site and hasn't for some time. This isn't a doomsday scenario, but there are other sites out there that are constantly retooling and have other things to offer. Why constantly send people to them?

Tom, I appreciate your point about people playing mods off one another here (good mod/bad mod etc) , and don't want to contribute to it further, but I will say that what I like about SOS's thinking on this thread is that he tends to see moderators as part of the social dynamic that they mod over, not above it. That's a good perspective to have evn though it makes it tough.

I hope I haven't overstated anything here.




(btw, I seem to remember a certain oldtime user with a certain sig that had a certain emoticon in it... )

It’s the internet, jeez, if you’re so fragile that you can’t handle light riducle from strangers then you don’t belong on a message board. Mods allow freedom on here, newbie’s get treated great.

lilgish said:

Are you saying the mods can't handle the criticism and so should leave or the newbies?

lilgish said:

are you reading any of what we have been debating?

I'm Batmod.

superspaceboy said:

Having a lyrics section on the .org could lead to legal problems for us. However, a prominent link to the Databank Transcription Team would be helpful, as they've done a good job with lyric transcription, and there's no sense in duplicating their work anyway.

As for a discography, I suppose a "basic" discography (e.g., all of the albums) wouldn't be too hard. For a more comprehensive listing of every Prince / release, though, we'd probably be better off referring folks to another source.

Thanks for the suggestions!

2the9s said:

I’m saying that one shouldn’t make a big deal about how their treated on a message board.