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Reply #120 posted 12/18/04 11:30pm

PEJ

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DiamondGirl said:

gemini13 said:

mad

I am so sick of people and their bullshit. Racist this, racist that, blah blah blah.....


Not pointing out anyone in particular, but this shit gets ollllld.


The lowest common denominator, folks, is using the accusation of racism to win an argument. SAAAAAD. neutral

Guess what? I don't support our troops. I won't support an oil crusade. Does that make me a bad person? Nope. wink

Dramatic biggrin




nod nominees for the best actress goes to...
To Sir, with Love
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Reply #121 posted 12/18/04 11:59pm

SassyBritches

yeah, so just skimming through this thread again..there's a whole lot of notions for thought policing. disbelief interestingly enough, it seems those who are big on this idea are also those who tend to be more liberally minded. the reason that seems so interesting to me is that i'd think liberally minded people - with all their talk of how the world should accept this and the world should accept that - would be the last group of people putting up rules to silence others.

ewm is not here anymore because people didn't like what he had to say. this fact is being disguised with the whole "it's not what he said but how he said it" defense. whateva, treva. i've been personally insulted and "attacked" in the p&r room many, many times. to be honest, its why i took a break from coming to the org at all (back when i used the name imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty). those who have "attacked" me are still here and, no doubt, will continue to be here because they hold the same opinions as those who are authorized to ban. the funny thing is, this is a prince dedicated site run by fans of prince. the idea that they would ban somebody for ruffling feathers is hysterical. thank God nobody banned prince for the same thing.

at the end of the day, however, it is just a website. when its no longer fun, people either need to take a break until things cool off or stop coming here altogether. its not a great idea to take things personally (though i'm guilty of this pitfall also) in an atmosphere where most people can only see things through their own goggles.
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Reply #122 posted 12/19/04 8:01am

gemini13

SassyBritches said:

yeah, so just skimming through this thread again..there's a whole lot of notions for thought policing. disbelief interestingly enough, it seems those who are big on this idea are also those who tend to be more liberally minded. the reason that seems so interesting to me is that i'd think liberally minded people - with all their talk of how the world should accept this and the world should accept that - would be the last group of people putting up rules to silence others.

ewm is not here anymore because people didn't like what he had to say. this fact is being disguised with the whole "it's not what he said but how he said it" defense. whateva, treva. i've been personally insulted and "attacked" in the p&r room many, many times. to be honest, its why i took a break from coming to the org at all (back when i used the name imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty). those who have "attacked" me are still here and, no doubt, will continue to be here because they hold the same opinions as those who are authorized to ban. the funny thing is, this is a prince dedicated site run by fans of prince. the idea that they would ban somebody for ruffling feathers is hysterical. thank God nobody banned prince for the same thing.

at the end of the day, however, it is just a website. when its no longer fun, people either need to take a break until things cool off or stop coming here altogether. its not a great idea to take things personally (though i'm guilty of this pitfall also) in an atmosphere where most people can only see things through their own goggles.



You're right. I see that too.
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Reply #123 posted 12/19/04 3:20pm

meow85

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sosgemini said:

purplegypsy said:




Nobody knew he was banned b/c the moderators kept quiet about it. I've never moderated a forum so pardon my ignorance-I don't know the traditional policy on communicating this type of situation.I figured his absence was because he was travelling for work or something so it didn't phase me until I spoke with him and found out what happened.

Maybe you wouldn't have this gotten this reaction if there was some 'statement' (for lack of better terms) made about what happened. On a side note, I asked you yesterday if you could post the thread that suddenly prompted this banning action. It's interesting how you will respond and react to everyone for voicing their unhappiness about EWM but you've avoided addressing my query.


actually, i thought u were asking about the thread lovemachine had mentioned...i was waiting for the link myself.. giggle

now, i will provide the link if you want to see it..however, keep in mind that this thread was not the sole reason for ewm's ban..he had been banned 13 times prior to this one...this was just the straw that broke the camels back. wink

http://www.prince.org/msg/105/121079

look folks, im here to share with you the thought process that i took that led to my actions....i hope this is all helping your grieving process....

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omfg So that interaction with me was the last straw?

Dang, sorry Evil.





I'm curious though -what did he say that you snipped?
"A Watcher scoffs at gravity!"
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Reply #124 posted 12/19/04 10:00pm

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Reply #125 posted 12/20/04 2:42am

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"be nice, B1tch" edit...
[Edited 12/20/04 6:00am]
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Reply #126 posted 12/20/04 8:02am

Novabreaker

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Tee-hee. He said "cuz".


... anyway, the .org -bunny federation demands EWM to be unbanned. Exaggeration as an expressive means to get your point across or to make fun of the whole situation when nothing makes much sense anymore to human comprehension is a completely different thing than sheer hatemongering. I do the former myself all the time.
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Reply #127 posted 12/20/04 9:35am

Adisa

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This whole thing is rather...sad. Sosgemini, I've always lauded the work that you and the other mods do. Keep up the good work. Now for the rant:



Don't let the info in my profile fool you. I've been coming to this site for a long, long time. I've witnessed the antics of countless orgers who are no longer here (banned) and those that were placed on disciplinary action. I understand that many are still loved and missed but the site has rules that need to be followed, even though I myself don't necessarily agree with some of those rules! EWM, just like a few other beloved orgers banned within the past few years, consistently broke the rules after they were repeatedly warned/notified by the moderators. No matter how much we find such behavior entertaining, or "controversial" as it's often called, it shows a complete lack of respect for Ben, the moderators, and the org members who do try to abide by the rules. The orgers who engage in such tactics know exactly what they are doing and continue to so because they are paranoid, insecure, and in desperate need of an audience. As Sosgemini has emphatically stated, "There's a way to communicate your point."

EWM was always good for a laugh. That mofo is crazy as hell! falloff But there's a way to get your need for attention met without blatantly breaking the rules.

I can honestly say I hope they let dude come back, and if he does that he can chill out a bit.

woot! EMW!!!




And for the record, the mods don't owe it to any of us to tell us when or why they ban people. It's called "discretion", and many an orger would still be here if they'd used it.
I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!
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Reply #128 posted 12/20/04 10:15am

TheOrgerFormer
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sosgemini said:

TheJourney4all7 said:



That's unfair. I noticed, and I'm sure others did as well.

I thought (or was hoping) he was just taking a break.
sigh



i will concede that....however, the argument i am trying to make is that the org is no different with him or without (or any of us for that matter).....there are more conservatives posting in the p&r forum then ever before...there are people right now in the Prince: Music forum crapping on Musicology...

you see:

..people may come..people may go..just as long as the waters cold...watch out when your heading for...


oh nevermind..

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I love that song. smile
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Reply #129 posted 12/20/04 10:21am

TheOrgerFormer
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sosgemini said:

Rhondab said:



yeah....its disappointing....another bites the dust.


hold up you two...i like ewm too..however, are we just to dismiss his combative baiting and flaming? where the accountabilty for his actions? i would be some what sympathetic if he came off sincere in his letter but he completly misrepresented the situation in his letter....is that fair to me? and while we are speaking about fairness..what about those people who have had altercations with him? someone posted a pretty extreme statement in this thread or the other one that was just locked..are we to dismiss their reaction to his statements?

where is the accountability?




takeownershipforyouractionsdedit...
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I get what you're saying sos, but there are folks on these boards that have said way worse shit than Evil has and they're still here.

I do want to say though, that I understand that you mods have a big, thankless job to do on these boards and it's much appreciated.
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Reply #130 posted 12/20/04 5:23pm

origmnd

Why is this "org" held in such esteem?

There aint nothing on here that wasnt spawned by an insightful author.
The quality of the
posters has immensely been affected
over the past few years---so what can u expect.

Trying to be a mock NPGMC is ludicrous,
the org was SUPPOSED to be irreverent,
unlike the former.
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Reply #131 posted 12/20/04 6:47pm

SassyBritches

origmnd said:

Why is this "org" held in such esteem?

There aint nothing on here that wasnt spawned by an insightful author.
The quality of the
posters has immensely been affected
over the past few years---so what can u expect.

Trying to be a mock NPGMC is ludicrous,
the org was SUPPOSED to be irreverent,
unlike the former.

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Reply #132 posted 12/20/04 9:16pm

sosgemini

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okay gang..i think we have talked this topic to death....i do want to clear something up..all person's who participated in flames within that thread were disciplined....i based the length of the discipline on how often I had to respond and moderate them and what was their previous moderation history...

so thanks all for sharing your views....yes sassy, that includes you. you all would be suprised to know that most of us mods want to keep the org irreverent and open.....sometimes we do stuff that might make you think otherwise..but in the end, we want this to be a fun place for all...(and that sometimes means taking actions that might be considered popular shorterm)...

toodles!!!!
Space for sale...
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Reply #133 posted 12/21/04 4:45am

Lleena

I think at some point everyone who isn't here will be back, and those who left of their own accord, I hope they come back too.


Happy New Year guys! wave
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Reply #134 posted 12/21/04 5:50am

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I cant' believe this thread is still going on... bored You got banned, so what.... Get over it! I can name a few people who have gotten banned a NUMBER of times.. most of the time it was for NO reason.. Its life.. and most of the time it isn't fair.. Sorry to say,...I do believe some mods have hard on's for certain people and ban them and use an excuse to back it up, some dont even respond.. which i have to say.....(that is the best.., ban THEN run and dont give any reasoning for it... ) I call that chicken shit! But in any case, before i go and get warned i am gonna be quiet now..

In any case, so what you got banned, come back again as a new alias.. everyone else does it!
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