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sosgemini said: GrayKing said: apparently that isn't true, or this same thing wouldn't keep happening every 6 months. your right to a certain extent..but you do have to ackowledge that each time it happens we are dealing with different people..... different people, but all inter-locking. you're just getting to one of the final dominoes in the chaos around here. IceNine was a step. Aaron was a step. rdhull was a step. EWM was a step. they all needed and deserved to go. frankly, i'm surprised 2the9s has lasted this long, considering he was front and center (or transparently behind-the-scenes, however you want to put it) for all of it. every single time. he's one of the last pieces of the puzzle. "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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GrayKing said: sosgemini said: your right to a certain extent..but you do have to ackowledge that each time it happens we are dealing with different people..... different people, but all inter-locking. you're just getting to one of the final dominoes in the chaos around here. IceNine was a step. Aaron was a step. rdhull was a step. EWM was a step. they all needed and deserved to go. frankly, i'm surprised 2the9s has lasted this long, considering he was front and center (or transparently behind-the-scenes, however you want to put it) for all of it. every single time. he's one of the last pieces of the puzzle. let me clarify: i don't think 2the9s should be banned. it would be nice to have him back. i didn't interact with him much (at all, come to think of it), but i found him highly entertaining. that said, i'm surprised he lasted this long, considering he was involved in all of the previous brouhahas that got others kicked off the site. "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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shausler said: GrayKing said: for the record, i agree completely with AprilMichelle's first post in this thread: drop it, let it go, get over it, get a life. however you want to put it. do you all realize what you're working yourselves up over? a website. a special, fun website, i'll grant you. but that's all it is. it isn't your life. it shouldn't be, anyway. and rehashing the same shit over and over isn't going to do any good. it may get 2the9s back on the site, but for how long? we've seen orgers return from lengthy deactivations, only to be "banned for life" not long after. it'll be nice to have him back, until the next time his beef with a moderator (any moderator will do) gets him banned again. and then you all will have used up all of your righteous indignation and throw the same tantrums all over again and it won't work and it won't matter.
in the end, you're just wasting your time, energy, and emotions. i've seen it on MANY forums around the net. there's a life out there and it isn't this. go live it with the same passion you pour into a website and maybe an orger getting deactivated for the Nth time isn't the most important thing for you to get emotional over. mr happy  "i. will. take care of you..." "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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I think that the thing you're failing to grasp here aprilmichelle is that to friends of the Orger concerned, it does matter. I'm sure I dont need to explain to you the definition of friendship. The Org provides a medium to interact with people from all over the world and over time people get to know each other and form bonds of friendship that surpass the medium that brought them together, for instance, many Orgers interact outside of the Org and have met in person.
It's not like the people who get deactivated disappear from the face of the Earth. You still have many other ways to communicate with those people (the already mentioned e mail and IM, telephones,letters,other discussion forums you both belong to and if you are very close friends perhaps visits in real time). If the friendships have surpassed the medium in which it originated, you have the adresses and phone numbers to do so. Unless the org was the only format you ever interacted with the person, their being removed from the org does not destroy the continued growth of that friendship, right? | |
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To think, I've scratched my head and cant remember either AprilMichelle or GrayKing or any post they have ever made before this thread. I wonder why? 
You reap what you sow I guess. When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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bkw said: To think, I've scratched my head and cant remember either AprilMichelle or GrayKing or any post they have ever made before this thread. I wonder why?
You reap what you sow I guess. that's because you don't post anywhere but in the GD and i don't post anywhere but in the Non-Prince forum. i've been here, off and on, for many, many years. in fact, one of the banned orgers USED TO live with me. so... hey, what do you know? not as much as you thought. "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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GrayKing said: bkw said: To think, I've scratched my head and cant remember either AprilMichelle or GrayKing or any post they have ever made before this thread. I wonder why?
You reap what you sow I guess. that's because you don't post anywhere but in the GD and i don't post anywhere but in the Non-Prince forum. i've been here, off and on, for many, many years. in fact, one of the banned orgers USED TO live with me. so... hey, what do you know? not as much as you thought. Well, you post solely in the non-prince forum of a prince site. 
btw, i post in the Prince forum and this one regularly. [Edited 12/2/04 22:50pm] When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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All shit stirring aside, some people post and dont give a rats arse about relationships and connections and others do. If you dont care, fine. Just dont get all houghty with those that do genuinely care about others here. When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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bkw said: All shit stirring aside, some people post and dont give a rats arse about relationships and connections and others do. If you dont care, fine. Just dont get all houghty with those that do genuinely care about others here.
I have to add to this. I tend to be one of the former, although I wouldn't put it as strongly as you've written it here. Generally, people here don't affect my life - I view most of the connections I've made here in a distant way; my life doesn't revolve around the people I've met on this website. There are a few exceptions, people I genuinely care about, and there are many more people on the Org whose words do affect me. So, although I enjoy connecting with people here, I generally don't think too much about you all in my day-to-day life (with exceptions, as I stated earlier). I may reflect on topics, and various viewpoints, but I don't usually remember who said what, so I don't take things too personally. However, with regards to 2the9's, it seems apparent that he is very highly thought of by many people who post here. My experience of him is that, whilst controversial at times, he was not offensive in the way some other banned Orgers have been. I'll reiterate the point that some others have already made ... he definately added to the site. If we banned all controversial Orgers, we'd end up with a site that's so antiseptic and banal that it would not be worth visiting by anyone over the age of 12. So, even from someone who does view this as "just a website" (albeit a special one), I do support the people who are repeatedly asking for 2the9's ban to be lifted. It has promoted some excellent discussion on moderation and has given me more respect for the moderators, not less, as they've been willing to discuss their decisions and processes in a very open manner, and I can appreciate how hard they work to keep this site running effectively. Finally, I think anyone who repeatedly visits here and doesn't appreciate that this site and community is special in some way is deceiving themself. There aren't that many communities as successful as this one in stimulating and promoting discussion of this nature, or in building friendships/connections like the ones that have been forged here. That's something to be celebrated, not criticised. | |
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AprilMichelle said: It's not like the people who get deactivated disappear from the face of the Earth. You still have many other ways to communicate with those people (the already mentioned e mail and IM, telephones,letters,other discussion forums you both belong to and if you are very close friends perhaps visits in real time). If the friendships have surpassed the medium in which it originated, you have the adresses and phone numbers to do so. Unless the org was the only format you ever interacted with the person, their being removed from the org does not destroy the continued growth of that friendship, right?
Why do any of us come here? by your logic the Org is irrelevant in terms of a place to meet your friends. It is a community of people and when a member of that community is banished, there is a noticable absence. An important part of how you interacted with each other is gone. It's like , oh so and so has been kicked out of that place we meet, but its okay, we'll pretend it hasn't happened, and carry on without them, that's a somewhat cold reaction isn't it? I do understand the point you are making, but you cant ignore the fact that the Org isn't just a mechanism for posting in isolation, when you post here you interact with other people, and whether you like it or not, people form friendships. Interacting with that person through this medium is fun and for many people has been happening for years. If you dont think it matters then thats fine, but there are people for whom the Org is a place that they come to to interact with friends in a way that is different from any other. I guess thats the whole point of a message board. It all depends on if the concept of a community matters to you or not.
Of course it doesn't destroy the friendship. We're obviously on opposite sides of the fence here..thats fine. oh, and I do have a life outside of the Org , and believe it or not, so does 9s and so do the people supporting him here.[Edited 12/3/04 4:40am] | |
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who cares?
too much drama. i need to hear a synthesizer. | |
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Maybe this is just no longer the place for me, as I really do not see the point of taking a private personal matter into many of public area of the site. (the theads in this forum,the gd threads, the chat, and a few people using the link to other threads on their subject). The decision is not in the hands of anyone but ben and the mods, nor was it ever. We are not sending a man to the chair here,it's someone being removed from a website. He's still alive and well and you can still contact him. I'm not prentending it never happened or denying that the person in question had some interesting things to say. I'm just making the point that it's a bit of a tempest in a teacup. Everyone needs to calm down.
But rather than sit here and flog an obviously dead horse, i'm going to do the logical and non hypocritical thing: deactivate my account and seek what I feel is a better forum. | |
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AprilMichelle said: Maybe this is just no longer the place for me, as I really do not see the point of taking a private personal matter into many of public area of the site. (the theads in this forum,the gd threads, the chat, and a few people using the link to other threads on their subject). The decision is not in the hands of anyone but ben and the mods, nor was it ever. We are not sending a man to the chair here,it's someone being removed from a website. He's still alive and well and you can still contact him. I'm not prentending it never happened or denying that the person in question had some interesting things to say. I'm just making the point that it's a bit of a tempest in a teacup. Everyone needs to calm down.
But rather than sit here and flog an obviously dead horse, i'm going to do the logical and non hypocritical thing: deactivate my account and seek what I feel is a better forum. The decision is Ben's and I dont understand why you want to leave aprilmichelle, but I am sorry and hopefully this will be resolved soon. I hope you reconsider 
We are all entitled to our own opinions on this and I dont feel yours have been disrespected in any way, but if you do, then that was not the intention. ... [Edited 12/3/04 5:36am] | |
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(repeating myself)  [Edited 12/3/04 5:46am] "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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Lleena said:[quote] AprilMichelle said: Maybe this is just no longer the place for me, as I really do not see the point of taking a private personal matter into many of public area of the site. (the theads in this forum,the gd threads, the chat, and a few people using the link to other threads on their subject). The decision is not in the hands of anyone but ben and the mods, nor was it ever. We are not sending a man to the chair here,it's someone being removed from a website. He's still alive and well and you can still contact him. I'm not prentending it never happened or denying that the person in question had some interesting things to say. I'm just making the point that it's a bit of a tempest in a teacup. Everyone needs to calm down.
But rather than sit here and flog an obviously dead horse, i'm going to do the logical and non hypocritical thing: deactivate my account and seek what I feel is a better forum. I don't feel disrespected at all and I appreciate the opinions of everyone who posted. The way this whole incident has been handled(and the frequency of drama in general) has made this place a lot more angry and a good deal less fun for me to be in than it used to be. Being that that the whole point of coming here at all was entertainment,I feel that it is time to go. The decision is Ben's and I dont understand why you want to leave aprilmichelle, but I am sorry and hopefully this will be resolved soon. I hope you reconsider
We are all entitled to our own opinions on this and I dont feel yours have been disrespected in any way, but if you do, then that was not the intention. ... don't be sorry lleena. I respect your ability to debate your point without flaming greatly and you make solid arguements in all of the above posts. there are no hard feelings on my end, towards you or anyone else. | |
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Hey April,come hang out with us in the "Music:Non Prince" forum.It's alot of fun and there is rarely any drama over there.There's no need to deactivate your account! | |
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AprilMichelle said: Maybe this is just no longer the place for me, as I really do not see the point of taking a private personal matter into many of public area of the site. (the theads in this forum,the gd threads, the chat, and a few people using the link to other threads on their subject). The decision is not in the hands of anyone but ben and the mods, nor was it ever. We are not sending a man to the chair here,it's someone being removed from a website. He's still alive and well and you can still contact him. I'm not prentending it never happened or denying that the person in question had some interesting things to say. I'm just making the point that it's a bit of a tempest in a teacup. Everyone needs to calm down.
But rather than sit here and flog an obviously dead horse, i'm going to do the logical and non hypocritical thing: deactivate my account and seek what I feel is a better forum. It's odd that you'd want to deactivate your account, it seems almost as extreme a reaction as you suggesting that the efforts of those who want our friend reactivated are extreme - but of course that's your decision and I too hope you'll reconsider - this is a nice place and we all like it for various reasons. To reiterate - we enjoyed the presence of our "banned" friend here on the Org and for those of us concerned (and there are a great many), it enhanced this forum so much that we truly miss him and want him to return and participate here again. Sure, we e-mail him and keep in contact - but it's like seeing a friend stand on the other side of the chainlinked fence at a playground.  VOTE....EARLY | |
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DiminutiveRocker said: AprilMichelle said: Maybe this is just no longer the place for me, as I really do not see the point of taking a private personal matter into many of public area of the site. (the theads in this forum,the gd threads, the chat, and a few people using the link to other threads on their subject). The decision is not in the hands of anyone but ben and the mods, nor was it ever. We are not sending a man to the chair here,it's someone being removed from a website. He's still alive and well and you can still contact him. I'm not prentending it never happened or denying that the person in question had some interesting things to say. I'm just making the point that it's a bit of a tempest in a teacup. Everyone needs to calm down.
But rather than sit here and flog an obviously dead horse, i'm going to do the logical and non hypocritical thing: deactivate my account and seek what I feel is a better forum. It's odd that you'd want to deactivate your account, it seems almost as extreme a reaction as you suggesting that the efforts of those who want our friend reactivated are extreme - but of course that's your decision and I too hope you'll reconsider - this is a nice place and we all like it for various reasons. To reiterate - we enjoyed the presence of our "banned" friend here on the Org and for those of us concerned (and there are a great many), it enhanced this forum so much that we truly miss him and want him to return and participate here again. Sure, we e-mail him and keep in contact - but it's like seeing a friend stand on the other side of the chainlinked fence at a playground. i've been thinking about it for a while now...this whole thing just finalized my decision. I find myself here less and less and when i am here there's always some big drama. I've ceased to have fun...and that's the main reason I'm leaving. that and being that i see nothing constructive is coming of this thread rather than get angry over all the bitching, i'm going to do the non hypocritical thing, follow my own advice and leave. [Edited 12/3/04 10:28am] | |
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honestly, i never meant to cause you any sorrow, i never meant to cause you any pain....
i just hate to see people on a website, especially good people on a great website like this, put themselves through such hysterics about this sort of thing. so, since none of my comments have been productive, i'll retract all of my statements and opinions on the matter. just try to keep some perspective on what it is you're all up in arms about. that's all i'm saying. good day. "Awards are like hemorrhoids. Sooner or later, every asshole gets one." | |
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AprilMichelle said: DiminutiveRocker said: It's odd that you'd want to deactivate your account, it seems almost as extreme a reaction as you suggesting that the efforts of those who want our friend reactivated are extreme - but of course that's your decision and I too hope you'll reconsider - this is a nice place and we all like it for various reasons. To reiterate - we enjoyed the presence of our "banned" friend here on the Org and for those of us concerned (and there are a great many), it enhanced this forum so much that we truly miss him and want him to return and participate here again. Sure, we e-mail him and keep in contact - but it's like seeing a friend stand on the other side of the chainlinked fence at a playground. i've been thinking about it for a while now...this whole thing just finalized my decision. I find myself here less and less and when i am here there's always some big drama. I've ceased to have fun...and that's the main reason I'm leaving. that and being that i see nothing constructive is coming of this thread rather than get angry over all the bitching, i'm going to do the non hypocritical thing, follow my own advice and leave. [Edited 12/3/04 10:28am] I'm not angry nor was I bitching... you began this thread and in doing so opened up the topic for commentary and debate. Sorry to see you go - but if you aren't having fun here, then that's your perogative. Good luck to you! VOTE....EARLY | |
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not on this thread specifically but in general.....and i should not add to it as i can't make things change...didn't mean you or anyone else on this thread on particular, sory if it sounded that way. | |
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GrayKing said: for the record, i agree completely with AprilMichelle's first post in this thread: drop it, let it go, get over it, get a life. however you want to put it. do you all realize what you're working yourselves up over? a website. a special, fun website, i'll grant you. but that's all it is. it isn't your life. it shouldn't be, anyway. and rehashing the same shit over and over isn't going to do any good. it may get 2the9s back on the site, but for how long? we've seen orgers return from lengthy deactivations, only to be "banned for life" not long after. it'll be nice to have him back, until the next time his beef with a moderator (any moderator will do) gets him banned again. and then you all will have used up all of your righteous indignation and throw the same tantrums all over again and it won't work and it won't matter.
in the end, you're just wasting your time, energy, and emotions. i've seen it on MANY forums around the net. there's a life out there and it isn't this. go live it with the same passion you pour into a website and maybe an orger getting deactivated for the Nth time isn't the most important thing for you to get emotional over. BRAVO!! | |
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gemini13 said: GrayKing said: for the record, i agree completely with AprilMichelle's first post in this thread: drop it, let it go, get over it, get a life. however you want to put it. do you all realize what you're working yourselves up over? a website. a special, fun website, i'll grant you. but that's all it is. it isn't your life. it shouldn't be, anyway. and rehashing the same shit over and over isn't going to do any good. it may get 2the9s back on the site, but for how long? we've seen orgers return from lengthy deactivations, only to be "banned for life" not long after. it'll be nice to have him back, until the next time his beef with a moderator (any moderator will do) gets him banned again. and then you all will have used up all of your righteous indignation and throw the same tantrums all over again and it won't work and it won't matter.
in the end, you're just wasting your time, energy, and emotions. i've seen it on MANY forums around the net. there's a life out there and it isn't this. go live it with the same passion you pour into a website and maybe an orger getting deactivated for the Nth time isn't the most important thing for you to get emotional over. BRAVO!! some of you people are so annoyed with those who you claim can't squash shit and are all into the drama thang... just the fact that y'all check up on these annoying peeps and make comments about them says a lot about the true you!!! there are some folks that just stay outta shit and don't affiliate or associate with drama and y'all seem like u wanna be percieved that way... but ya ain't.... you follow this drama like a house wife follows her "soaps" yeah itz just the internet and all of us are on it in our everyday "life" betcha I can learn more about your true personality from the way you or grayking posts than if I spark up a convo with some woman at the grocery store or bar... 1st of all, Don't be callin here like you some str8 up "g", cuz  cut yo ballz off and hand them to ya, partnuh. I've been warnin you 2 many timez about my $ smokey. It'z da principle of da hole thang. therez PRINCIPALITIES | |
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