BinaryJustin said:

Whenever there are two different situations, it's possible to look at how they were handled and find "inconsistencies." Different situations call for different responses.

Regarding QuaidBowl... one aspect of proper moderation, IMHO, is to cut off discussion of a subject when nobody has anything substantially new to say, and discussion of that subject turns into personal attacks. QuaidBowl certainly falls into that category. In addition, the recent QuaidBowl discussion that got snipped was taking a thread about 2the9s off on a wild tangent. "Threadjacking" is something that we frown upon. (And yes, I'm guilty of originally participating in that threadjacking.)

Anyway, I'm at the airport, and my flight boards in a few minutes. I'll see everyone Sunday evening... have a good weekend!

tackam said:

mellisa... a question to you ... if matt was banned for over 1 month for breaking a mild rule here (thread jacking for example) how would you feel? you'd be over it right?
[Edited 12/4/04 1:11am]

Damn, I miss everything :put:



BRING BACK 9s!!!!!

bkw said:

i would agree with this if mods were paid for the work they do...you yourself stated that a one week ban would put most people in check...so if someone continues to violate site rules and create extra work for others (who are also trying to enjoy this site for what it is: entertainment) then thats justified?

sosgemini said:

so is 9s a type of person that you think is a constant violater sos? if he is then why would all of these folks want him back so bad!!! you mentioned "entertainment" sounds like everyone on this thread alone that supports him may not care about his tractor but he himself entertains them enough for them to ask not to ban him... if the government took away my computer and yours and every person who owns one then there would be an uprising correct?

AnotherLoverToo said:

BIGWORM said:

me thinks you need to read my entire posts and not nit and pick what you want to respond to...take it all in and then come question if your question was warranted...



lighten up mate...

and i dont take lightly to talking to aliases within this forum.....all the others are fine...but this one, due to the nature of the discussions i would ask folks to keep to the core log in.....

thanks!!

PEJ said:

I'm not untouchable, dear. It's just that I behave myself with enough regularity that there would be no reason to ban me. I invite any of the mods to post my moderation record publicly. I can think of maybe two incidents now that they've prolly noted. In almost 3 years. Whaddayawant?

And I'm not saying people shouldn't complain. Complain away! Just recognize that it's not helping 9s. That's all I'm trying to say here.

As to your question, it's funny you ask. I was thinking about having myself banned for a month just to demonstrate the silliness of it all. In any case, if he were banned after repeated moderator action for breaking any rule at all, I'd and communicate with him some other way until he came back.

But yeah, I can't speak for Matt, but I would be DELIGHTED to be banned for a while! Anxiety? Banned! Please?

not-banned-yet! edit
[Edited 12/5/04 23:50pm]

tackam said:

Tack

i respect your opinion

however, i cant help but sense your flippant tone when addressing this issue

now you must recall as i do how upsetting it was for you when you announced

your stance on Polygamy. and did not recieve the reaction you might have

expected. i do believe that you willingly left the org for several months

after that proclomation and some of the hateful comments that were spawned

by the usual gang of cruel commentors after you made it.

try now then to remember before you put down how people feel about

2 the 9s absence and there expresion of such sorrow regardless of what form it

takes or how many bits and bytes it eats up

also

i cant help but feel that it is a bit of a conflict of intrest for you to even

speak up on this so constantly being as how you are paired with not just

a moderator, but the moderator who was part of his being banned, and

being as such, you cant possibly and apparently do not hold an objective view

point on this issue







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[Edited 12/4/04 12:09pm]

shausler said:

thank you so much for pointing this out.

so
veryveryvery
true.

tackam said:

So this is all silly, right?

I think this is the issue right here folks!

doctormcmeekle said:

I wonder if matt ever heard from ben ... how about an update?

matt said:

To get back to the original reason for this thread ...

We haven't heard about the outcome of your discussion with Ben - is it going to be scheduled/rescheduled sometime soon?

Thanks.

BIGWORM said:

Someone with a tractor asked me to post this...

PEJ said:

wtf???!!!??? ... you must've slipped this one in while I was still typing
[Edited 12/4/04 15:36pm]

shausler said:

Beautifully said and good points, Shaus.

Tackam: How would a self-imposed ban demonstrate anything?

Lleena said:

Ask him if he had to pay 9 cents to the mailman?

AzureStarr said:

I agree, great points Shausler.

A self imposed ban is the same as taking a break and spending some time away from the Org of your own volition. I cant really see how it would compare to being banned from the Org against your wishes. There is a huge difference between the two.


btw, hi Azure!

Lleena said:

Exactly my point! Hi, to you, too! Did you ask him about the 9 cents?

Lleena said:

AzureStarr said:

This thread is taking a while for me to load lol.

He offered the mailman some soggy popcorn and said it was all he had.

I was an orger long before I lived with a mod. I have always been opinionated. About everything. My relationship with Matt has not made me any less an orger or any less opinionated.

It appears that my thoughts aren't really welcome on this thread (and many others ) because of this "conflict of interest". You know what? Too bad. As much as you guys have a right to think that 2the9s absence is a tragedy and that people should have to just about commit murder to be banned for any length of time, I have a right to think that people are being silly and unreasonable. Just as people have had a right to think, and say --loudly-- that I have been silly (or "depraved" or whatever ) in the past. Have an emotional reaction. Great! But if I learned anything from the polywoggle insanity, it's that when you have an emotional reaction on the org, you can expect people to tell you what they think about it, and they aren't all going to coddle you. Thems the breaks.

And I did not mean to imply that a self-imposed ban would be the same as 2the9s ban, only to say that some time away from the org is not a tragedy for anybody involved. Pardon me for not making that clear.

tackam said:

can you consider for a second that people might be more offended by how you say things then your actual right to say them?

just playing devils advocate here.....

sosgemini said:

Sure. I think that's often true of any conflict, especially online.

I don't particularly go out of my way to not offend people. If people are offended by me, well, ok. I do try not to HURT people, which I think is vastly different. I'm very aware that people have feelings (and mine have certainly been hurt by folks here many times). But it's not as though I've personally attacked anyone.

I think people are more annoyed by my association with Matt than anything. And you know what? I understand that. As far as the org goes, my association with Matt annoys me too. It's annoying to not have my thoughts judged on their merits because people assume everything is coming from some deep emotional bias. . .people. . .do you have partners? Do you really believe they can do no wrong? Well neither do I. In any case, I have to just keep doing my thing. Can't control the assumptions of others. But it sucks, because believe it or not, there was a day when most of the org liked me. I haven't changed. Perceptions have.


(BTW, my apologies for the threadjacking. I think I ought to be able to respond to what people have said, but I don't think that this warrants its own thread. Not sure what to do.)

Tackam... you obviously have a right to your opinion, but, I'm a little shocked at your seemingly rude tone (if one can have one in text) through this whole thing. Sorry, but it appears that it's become your opinion because of your relationship with Matt. Or, at the very least, your harshness in displaying your opinion because of your relationship with the mod that banned 9s.

I mean... I caught the tail end of the controversy surrounding your relationship with Matt. I only caught the letters to the orgers that you two posted on a thread and while no one was banned, it would seem that you would understand the emotions that can infest people in an online community - whether that's being banned or having to do with ones choice of relationships. If I remember correctly, there were posts to your aid in that thread, posts that were in your and Matt's favor. You and Matt felt the need to post about your relationship publicly and also felt the need to post further about it and how it was received (again, only skimmed, because it wasn't that important to me, so I'm not fully aware of all that went on or what was said... to me, that was your business). But, you felt strongly enough that you created a thread about it. It's really not any different than people showing their support here. You didn't feel that your speaking out was silliness. Just as people here don't feel that their expressions within this thread are silly.

I don't know. To each their own, but you've come off with a more than slightly sanctimonious attitude about the whole thing and I don't understand it and certainly was shocked to see you express your opinion in such a way because you're usually so tacktful in expressing them in the past.

Or, maybe I just need sleep.


BRING BACK 9s!... Or not.

And... I think this is the most ruckus that 9s has caused since he's been a member and he's not even a member anymore!

GO 9S!

AzureStarr said:

(this post should not be taken as a support of or against any cause..its just an awesome pic. )

tackam said:

AzureStarr said:

I kind of think people are, in fact, misreading my tone a bit here, but. . .dunno. Maybe I am just a "sanctimonious", self-righteous bitch. Entirely possible.

I'm a bit perplexed as to how this has come around to that damn Statement of Love again. Gonna be haunted by that mutherfucker forever. Yes, some people were supportive. And some people were jerks. I was never as upset about it as people took me to be, but that's not to say that I didn't feel it when people were being unkind. And I fail to see what any of this has to do with anything here. They are completely separate issues and contexts.

Do you realize that the opinion I expressed here that started all of this was just that the fussing is counterproductive? Not that people don't have a right to feel bad, not that Matt even did the right thing (though I think what he did was reasonable, and I believe I would think that whether I knew him or not), but that continuing to harp on this is not going to bring 9s back sooner? That's my point. And how it has been blown up into first Quaidbowl and now a thread I started more than a year ago is just beyond me.

Can my thoughts just stand for what they are without it being about who I sleep with? Because, you know, I could make it about that. I could tell you about who Matt is as a person and what he has done for this site over the years. I have some thoughts about that. But scroll back. . .see any of that? No. I've given my opinions, my reasons behind them when applicable. . .and here we are. Fuck me. If I disagree with the majority, it just MUST be because of Matt, couldn't possibly be that I have a mind of my own. Fair? I don't really think so.

But here's what I have to say to the person who claims that life is any more fair on the org than anywhere else:




This totally doesn't belong in this thread. If anybody has anything more to say to me that has freakin' NOTHING to do with 2the9s, could it go do orgnote please? Or if you really think I'm so interesting, a new thread?