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Reply #60 posted 11/26/04 7:41pm

Janfriend

Can someone orgnote me about this? I don't know what happened...
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Reply #61 posted 11/26/04 7:56pm

AzureStarr

Unless I am mistaken, and I could very well be, our avatars must be approved first. I've seen avatars showing nudity that were approved by the moderators. Yet, the rules in GD state:

"Don't post adult images, or offensive images. You may link to such content if you wish, but make sure you include a warning in your post. Some people read the Org at work you know smile

Note: "NSFW" = Not Safe For Work"

So, we aren't allowed to post images which show nudity (most of the time) yet, our avatars that show nudity are allowed?
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Reply #62 posted 11/26/04 8:32pm

Faux

AzureStarr said:

Unless I am mistaken, and I could very well be, our avatars must be approved first. I've seen avatars showing nudity that were approved by the moderators. Yet, the rules in GD state:

"Don't post adult images, or offensive images. You may link to such content if you wish, but make sure you include a warning in your post. Some people read the Org at work you know smile

Note: "NSFW" = Not Safe For Work"

So, we aren't allowed to post images which show nudity (most of the time) yet, our avatars that show nudity are allowed?



I know lol Try posting janfriend's avatar in a thread and see what happens.

The moderators are walking contradictions anyway, but a necessary evil. I do feel for them though, having to hand over their common sense before being admitted to org HQ.
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Reply #63 posted 11/26/04 8:41pm

Tom

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[sorry bad humor, I was up late -Tom]
[Edited 11/28/04 10:32am]
[Edited 11/28/04 10:33am]
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Reply #64 posted 11/26/04 8:46pm

Faux

Tom said:

Maybe we should initiate a detailed score system, with varying degrees of points for each specific violation, that are added to a grand total which is divided by the number of months the account has been in existence. This will establish an overall score that will be made available in a beautiful pie chart outlining which points came from which violations, and how many points you have left, so you can squeeze in those last few nude shots or "FU's" without losing your account.

We can work up an average of all several thousand scores to set an official "tolerance level", and develop a color coded warning system similar to our nations terror threat levels, that will help us identify and pinpoint threads of concern and dangerous orgers before they strike, and determine what times of day these attacks are likely to happen. Those who cross this threshold will be automatically banned for one day. The second time they cross it, a week, and the third time, permanently.

Images can be run through a state of the art biometric recognition system that can automatically identify and flag obscene imagery. A simple check of "yes" or "no thanks" in your org profile will allow you to automatically see or block these images, similar to Google's SafeSearch technology.

Surveys will be conducted periodically to help develop a detailed list of criteria and keyword phrases that are common amongst lame ass threads. Threads will be rated based on a combination of this keyword density, the amount of activity on the thread, and the date the thread was established. This rating will determine sort order of all threads in a particular forum.

The signup process will be updated to include a medical check, a polygraph interview, and a complete background check, with an emphasis on racially motivated or homophobic hate crimes.

All of this data will be compiled to generate a quarterly report, outlining any possible inconsitencies or glitches in the site moderation, and bonus points will be awarded to those who have been wrongly penalized. These bonus points can be accumulated and later redeemed for a varitey of org prizes including free flame-passes, forum-flooding courtesy cards, and even a chance to revive a terminated org account.



Or just moderate properly, substituting sarcasm with common sense and consistency.

...
[Edited 11/26/04 20:47pm]
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Reply #65 posted 11/26/04 9:03pm

shausler

me thinks

a harmonic convergence

is in order

or somethin
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Reply #66 posted 11/26/04 9:56pm

conch5184

Janfriend said:

Can someone orgnote me about this? I don't know what happened...


Me too please...
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Reply #67 posted 11/26/04 10:50pm

Teacher

Reincarnate said:

Poor Tom's taking the flack for all of this ... where's Matt?


Where he usually is when he's banned somebody or treated them unfairly. With his head stuck firmly in the sand. neutral
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Reply #68 posted 11/26/04 11:26pm

subhuman09

I think 9s adds great comic relief to this site-which helps keeps things balanced. When this place gets too serious, is when we forget that everybody makes mistakes.

I'd object more if the uberfams started running the show.

I'd hope that if nothing else there'd be a chance for people to resolve things or at least understand that banning isn't always the answer.

Regardless of what was said, or who's upset at who-I think it can be a nice example to try to have 9s have a second chance and start new-hopefully without a heavy watch on his behavior.

I find 9s harmless-and I think there's far worse that people get away with in Politics & Religion alone on a daily basis-if we ban him, we should ban everyone who even begins to egg each other on.

The cycle would never end.

If 9s truly acted so inappropriately with a short temper then let this be a learning experience if you're leery of it happening again. How can he learn from it as he could and should if he's never allowed that chance?

Who knows what could happen? Isn't that part of why we come here in the first place?

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Reply #69 posted 11/27/04 2:27am

CinisterCee

Bring back 9s, but ban the tractor pic neutral
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Reply #70 posted 11/27/04 2:37am

PEJ

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Faux said:

Tom said:

Maybe we should initiate a detailed score system, with varying degrees of points for each specific violation, that are added to a grand total which is divided by the number of months the account has been in existence. This will establish an overall score that will be made available in a beautiful pie chart outlining which points came from which violations, and how many points you have left, so you can squeeze in those last few nude shots or "FU's" without losing your account.

We can work up an average of all several thousand scores to set an official "tolerance level", and develop a color coded warning system similar to our nations terror threat levels, that will help us identify and pinpoint threads of concern and dangerous orgers before they strike, and determine what times of day these attacks are likely to happen. Those who cross this threshold will be automatically banned for one day. The second time they cross it, a week, and the third time, permanently.

Images can be run through a state of the art biometric recognition system that can automatically identify and flag obscene imagery. A simple check of "yes" or "no thanks" in your org profile will allow you to automatically see or block these images, similar to Google's SafeSearch technology.

Surveys will be conducted periodically to help develop a detailed list of criteria and keyword phrases that are common amongst lame ass threads. Threads will be rated based on a combination of this keyword density, the amount of activity on the thread, and the date the thread was established. This rating will determine sort order of all threads in a particular forum.

The signup process will be updated to include a medical check, a polygraph interview, and a complete background check, with an emphasis on racially motivated or homophobic hate crimes.

All of this data will be compiled to generate a quarterly report, outlining any possible inconsitencies or glitches in the site moderation, and bonus points will be awarded to those who have been wrongly penalized. These bonus points can be accumulated and later redeemed for a varitey of org prizes including free flame-passes, forum-flooding courtesy cards, and even a chance to revive a terminated org account.



Or just moderate properly, substituting sarcasm with common sense and consistency.

...
[Edited 11/26/04 20:47pm]




co-sign but without a doubt it's clear there are some people here who think 9s is terrible and most likely they're probably sick of hearing us care for the guy.. I say this because of the flip flopping in expressions and lack of emotions showed by a mod who really wasn't the one that banned him yet seems so content with it.... Tom... hmph!


I was banned for 2 days and still to this day never given a reason as to why... not in orgnote or email and guess who it was that banned me??? I've communicated with the banned one in the last week and I guess he's still waiting to hear from the man in charge.....oh well as the story goes.... it's just the internet right?



RETARDED EDIT


[Edited 11/27/04 11:04am]
To Sir, with Love
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Reply #71 posted 11/27/04 4:32am

senik

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Tom said:

senik said:




My thoughts exactly. This seems to be getting more and more unreasonable, to the point of bigotry against the Org.er in question.



F.A.O. Tom

I understand and appreciate that Ben is a very busy guy (with work and the new born) and I also understand that he has trustingly placed certain responsibilities onto the Mods to undertake what is a difficult job, but can a request be made for him to personally review the particulsars of this case? Or has the decision of a "permanent ban" come from the main man himself?

Thanks.




Before this gets out of hand, and to answer the above 3 replies...

It's already common knowlegde on here of 2the9's banning. There has been numerous posts, not to mention this thread, as well as the orgnotes I've received.

My reply of "yes" wasn't meant to be harsh, I started to type out a longer reply, then I felt like I was rambling on, being as a simple question was asked, so I just erased it all and typed "yes"

Anytime someone is banned, or whatever, they are orgnoted about it. Anyone is welcome to contact the moderator directly, and explain why they disagree with it. And if its not resolved there, ask Ben about it.



Not picking on you or anything, but I feel I didn't get clarity on one question.

I know that Ben has the ultimate jurisdiction to override this "ban" but has the decision of the "permanent ban" come from Ben himself? (from what I've read I presume not).

Ta.


"..My work is personal, I'm a working person, I put in work, I work with purpose.."
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Reply #72 posted 11/27/04 4:46am

bkw

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Teacher said:

Reincarnate said:

Poor Tom's taking the flack for all of this ... where's Matt?


Where he usually is when he's banned somebody or treated them unfairly. With his head stuck firmly in the sand. neutral

[Snipped - June7]
The other issue that should be known is that 9s moderation history is nearly entirely with Ian and Matt. The other mods dont seem to have much of a problem with him, although I see the banning seems to have broken Tom's heart.
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
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Reply #73 posted 11/27/04 5:06am

AzureStarr

Tom said:

Maybe we should initiate a detailed score system, with varying degrees of points for each specific violation, that are added to a grand total which is divided by the number of months the account has been in existence. This will establish an overall score that will be made available in a beautiful pie chart outlining which points came from which violations, and how many points you have left, so you can squeeze in those last few nude shots or "FU's" without losing your account.

We can work up an average of all several thousand scores to set an official "tolerance level", and develop a color coded warning system similar to our nations terror threat levels, that will help us identify and pinpoint threads of concern and dangerous orgers before they strike, and determine what times of day these attacks are likely to happen. Those who cross this threshold will be automatically banned for one day. The second time they cross it, a week, and the third time, permanently.

Images can be run through a state of the art biometric recognition system that can automatically identify and flag obscene imagery. A simple check of "yes" or "no thanks" in your org profile will allow you to automatically see or block these images, similar to Google's SafeSearch technology.

Surveys will be conducted periodically to help develop a detailed list of criteria and keyword phrases that are common amongst lame ass threads. Threads will be rated based on a combination of this keyword density, the amount of activity on the thread, and the date the thread was established. This rating will determine sort order of all threads in a particular forum.

The signup process will be updated to include a medical check, a polygraph interview, and a complete background check, with an emphasis on racially motivated or homophobic hate crimes.

All of this data will be compiled to generate a quarterly report, outlining any possible inconsitencies or glitches in the site moderation, and bonus points will be awarded to those who have been wrongly penalized. These bonus points can be accumulated and later redeemed for a varitey of org prizes including free flame-passes, forum-flooding courtesy cards, and even a chance to revive a terminated org account.


Come on, Tom... I thought it was a fair question.

And, my apologies for cursing in my post or sounding harsh, I meant all that I said, but it could have been said in a better way. It's just really frustrating and I wasn't in the best of moods at the time.
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Reply #74 posted 11/27/04 5:25am

Lleena

Removing somebody from a message board can be productive if that person is extremely disruptive, flames repeatedly, posts in order to bait members and is generally the cause of behaviour that is considered counter productive to the community. Even then I think a permanent ban should only be considered when all other attempts at moderation have failed.

This clearly isn't the case with 2the9s.

What I am trying to understand is how is permanently banning him going to benefit this community?


Is removing him going to bring peace and love amongst us..will we now be able to all hold hands and sing Imagine? (no offence to any Lennon fans, I'm one myself.)

Could somebody explain how removing him is going to benefit this message board?

...
[Edited 11/27/04 12:49pm]
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Reply #75 posted 11/27/04 5:33am

CinisterCee

Lleena said:

Removing somebody from a message board can be productive if that person is extremely disruptive, flames repeatedly, posts in order to bait members and is generally the cause of behaviour that is considered counter productive to the community. Even then I think a permanent ban should only be considered when all other attempts at moderation have failed.

This clearly isn't the case with 2the9s.

What I am trying to understand is how is permanently banning him going to benefit this community?


Is removing him going to bring peace and love amongst us..will we now be able to all hold hands and sing Imagine? (no offensive to any Lennon fans, I'm one myself.)

Could somebody explain how removing him is going to benefit this message board?



I don't know 9's all that well.. this seems to be more the "general discussion" crew's interest..

but if there was a person that ONLY posted awful things.. I would permanently ban them. Must have been 1 isolated incident that finally broke the camel's back and it's odd that no one knows even what the thread would have been. neutral
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Reply #76 posted 11/27/04 5:53am

JasmineFire

Teacher said:

Reincarnate said:

Poor Tom's taking the flack for all of this ... where's Matt?


Where he usually is when he's banned somebody or treated them unfairly. With his head stuck firmly in the sand. neutral

actually he's hiding because he's scared that 2the9s will give him a wedgie.
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Reply #77 posted 11/27/04 7:18am

shausler

i dont know exactly what went down for tractor lad to get banned but

who can deny that

he is one of the most good natured,

take it in stride

funny

characters in this bull pen

he is unique

but also he

is a tractor humping fucknuckle of a joe




we should all get over this "banning anyone who ticks you off" tactic if you ask me (which no one has but that never stops Mua smile )

this is like gitmo , no lawyers


besides whatever anyones beef with an orger is

you must admit ,

when they are gone

be it

kellyanne
rdhull
2the9s
digital lisa etc. etc



there is a vacume

for a cog if you will

is

missing




\/\/\




.
[Edited 11/27/04 8:39am]
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Reply #78 posted 11/27/04 7:26am

BabyGirl

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sigh
I'm feelin kind of n-a-s-t-y
I might just take you home with me
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Reply #79 posted 11/27/04 9:41am

XxAxX

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wow. this thread is pretty intense. i can't comment on the events leading up to 2the9s' deactivation.

but i can say i miss 2the9s. this place seems less without him.

just my 2c
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Reply #80 posted 11/27/04 11:51am

doctormcmeekle

Tom said:

Maybe we should initiate a detailed score system, with varying degrees of points for each specific violation, that are added to a grand total which is divided by the number of months the account has been in existence. This will establish an overall score that will be made available in a beautiful pie chart outlining which points came from which violations, and how many points you have left, so you can squeeze in those last few nude shots or "FU's" without losing your account.

We can work up an average of all several thousand scores to set an official "tolerance level", and develop a color coded warning system similar to our nations terror threat levels, that will help us identify and pinpoint threads of concern and dangerous orgers before they strike, and determine what times of day these attacks are likely to happen. Those who cross this threshold will be automatically banned for one day. The second time they cross it, a week, and the third time, permanently.

Images can be run through a state of the art biometric recognition system that can automatically identify and flag obscene imagery. A simple check of "yes" or "no thanks" in your org profile will allow you to automatically see or block these images, similar to Google's SafeSearch technology.

Surveys will be conducted periodically to help develop a detailed list of criteria and keyword phrases that are common amongst lame ass threads. Threads will be rated based on a combination of this keyword density, the amount of activity on the thread, and the date the thread was established. This rating will determine sort order of all threads in a particular forum.

The signup process will be updated to include a medical check, a polygraph interview, and a complete background check, with an emphasis on racially motivated or homophobic hate crimes.

All of this data will be compiled to generate a quarterly report, outlining any possible inconsitencies or glitches in the site moderation, and bonus points will be awarded to those who have been wrongly penalized. These bonus points can be accumulated and later redeemed for a varitey of org prizes including free flame-passes, forum-flooding courtesy cards, and even a chance to revive a terminated org account.

Just how long did it take you to type that out? And do you feel that time was well spent?
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Reply #81 posted 11/27/04 11:53am

shausler

who would collate?
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Reply #82 posted 11/27/04 2:08pm

bkw

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doctormcmeekle said:

Tom said:

Maybe we should initiate a detailed score system, with varying degrees of points for each specific violation, that are added to a grand total which is divided by the number of months the account has been in existence. This will establish an overall score that will be made available in a beautiful pie chart outlining which points came from which violations, and how many points you have left, so you can squeeze in those last few nude shots or "FU's" without losing your account.

We can work up an average of all several thousand scores to set an official "tolerance level", and develop a color coded warning system similar to our nations terror threat levels, that will help us identify and pinpoint threads of concern and dangerous orgers before they strike, and determine what times of day these attacks are likely to happen. Those who cross this threshold will be automatically banned for one day. The second time they cross it, a week, and the third time, permanently.

Images can be run through a state of the art biometric recognition system that can automatically identify and flag obscene imagery. A simple check of "yes" or "no thanks" in your org profile will allow you to automatically see or block these images, similar to Google's SafeSearch technology.

Surveys will be conducted periodically to help develop a detailed list of criteria and keyword phrases that are common amongst lame ass threads. Threads will be rated based on a combination of this keyword density, the amount of activity on the thread, and the date the thread was established. This rating will determine sort order of all threads in a particular forum.

The signup process will be updated to include a medical check, a polygraph interview, and a complete background check, with an emphasis on racially motivated or homophobic hate crimes.

All of this data will be compiled to generate a quarterly report, outlining any possible inconsitencies or glitches in the site moderation, and bonus points will be awarded to those who have been wrongly penalized. These bonus points can be accumulated and later redeemed for a varitey of org prizes including free flame-passes, forum-flooding courtesy cards, and even a chance to revive a terminated org account.

Just how long did it take you to type that out? And do you feel that time was well spent?

falloff

It's a beautifully written and structured piece of sarcasm used at exactly the wrong moment.
When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading.
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Reply #83 posted 11/27/04 2:33pm

Teacher

JasmineFire said:

Teacher said:



Where he usually is when he's banned somebody or treated them unfairly. With his head stuck firmly in the sand. neutral

actually he's hiding because he's scared that 2the9s will give him a wedgie.


falloff It would be one hell of a wedgie too evillol
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Reply #84 posted 11/27/04 5:07pm

JoweeCoco

doctormcmeekle said:

Tom said:

Maybe we should initiate a detailed score system, with varying degrees of points for each specific violation, that are added to a grand total which is divided by the number of months the account has been in existence. This will establish an overall score that will be made available in a beautiful pie chart outlining which points came from which violations, and how many points you have left, so you can squeeze in those last few nude shots or "FU's" without losing your account.

We can work up an average of all several thousand scores to set an official "tolerance level", and develop a color coded warning system similar to our nations terror threat levels, that will help us identify and pinpoint threads of concern and dangerous orgers before they strike, and determine what times of day these attacks are likely to happen. Those who cross this threshold will be automatically banned for one day. The second time they cross it, a week, and the third time, permanently.

Images can be run through a state of the art biometric recognition system that can automatically identify and flag obscene imagery. A simple check of "yes" or "no thanks" in your org profile will allow you to automatically see or block these images, similar to Google's SafeSearch technology.

Surveys will be conducted periodically to help develop a detailed list of criteria and keyword phrases that are common amongst lame ass threads. Threads will be rated based on a combination of this keyword density, the amount of activity on the thread, and the date the thread was established. This rating will determine sort order of all threads in a particular forum.

The signup process will be updated to include a medical check, a polygraph interview, and a complete background check, with an emphasis on racially motivated or homophobic hate crimes.

All of this data will be compiled to generate a quarterly report, outlining any possible inconsitencies or glitches in the site moderation, and bonus points will be awarded to those who have been wrongly penalized. These bonus points can be accumulated and later redeemed for a varitey of org prizes including free flame-passes, forum-flooding courtesy cards, and even a chance to revive a terminated org account.

Just how long did it take you to type that out? And do you feel that time was well spent?


falloff

worship
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Reply #85 posted 11/27/04 5:11pm

JoweeCoco

I'm getting the impression that some of you think that the org is some kind of democratic website. lol
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Reply #86 posted 11/27/04 5:25pm

Faux

JoweeCoco said:

I'm getting the impression that some of you think that the org is some kind of democratic website. lol


I was just about to say the same thing Jowee. Did we vote for these mods? If we did, I bet the incompetent 51% of the org were the ones that swayed it.

I think we should vote the mods in, and like American reality TV vote them off every month if they underperform or ban someone some of us like.

Or maybe this whole mod thing is all just a ruse like Joe Millionnaire. [Snipped - June7]?

hmmm

...
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Reply #87 posted 11/27/04 10:06pm

Tom

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Ben made this site. Ben wrote the rules on how he wanted this site to operate. And Ben openly invited whoever was interested to apply, and from that group, picked a few to help out moderating.

I will say, I don't appreciate being referred to as "incompetent" and a "feckless moron". But if you or anyone else here really despise me being a part of this site, I'll remind you that in the time it takes you to type another snide comment on here, you can just as easily shoot an orgnote over to Ben and explain why.

In an ideal world, we wouldn't need anyone to moderate this site, people would be considerate enough to moderate themselves.
[Edited 11/27/04 22:53pm]
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Reply #88 posted 11/28/04 1:25am

doctormcmeekle

Tom said:

Ben made this site. Ben wrote the rules on how he wanted this site to operate. And Ben openly invited whoever was interested to apply, and from that group, picked a few to help out moderating.

I will say, I don't appreciate being referred to as "incompetent" and a "feckless moron". But if you or anyone else here really despise me being a part of this site, I'll remind you that in the time it takes you to type another snide comment on here, you can just as easily shoot an orgnote over to Ben and explain why.

In an ideal world, we wouldn't need anyone to moderate this site, people would be considerate enough to moderate themselves.
[Edited 11/27/04 22:53pm]

It does seem to be getting out of hand. I'm sure I also saw the term "fucktard", but I could be wrong. confused

I still think the moderation on this site is 99.9% very good. And that includes you. But, surely you can see how many of us are dismayed by the decision to ban 9s. We know it's Ben's site, but it's just a web address without us lowly orgers. Surely we have some input? Surely we have a collective right to have some questions answered?

And fair play to you for at least answering the questions posted. Where are Matt and Ben, who I'm led to believe are the only two that can reverse this decision?
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Reply #89 posted 11/28/04 2:09am

AlfofMelmak

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note to tom: sarcasm translates badly in cyberspace Did make me chuckle though.

On a serious side of your post, and collecting some stuff Matt, lleena, and others have said:

I think it was Matt who said it sorta was common sense to take the users history into account when dealing with rule-violations. If the user has a history of repeated flaming etc etc the decision to deactivate is more quickly taken. Fair enough.

But that's just one aspect of that users history.You may wanna also look at the number of posts (disregard the one-emoticon posts) and/or the time spent in here.

If someone has logged in here 6 times, one saying hello, one to ask mcmeekle for medical advice on sepling errorrrs, and four posts with racist stuff, it's not a strange decision to deactivate. It will also not stirr peeps in here, which of course will happen if a long-time user is deactivated. [spock] it's quite logical [/spock]

In the case of 9s i think Matt shifted from moderating a forum to moderating a user. The distinction is subtle, i agree, but it happened. 9s broke site-rules (wether or not in a heated debate or being outraged that he was being treated unfairly), Matt took 9s history into account, saw he was warned/deactivated before and pulled the plug. Fine. It's what moderators do and are here for.
In afterthought however (after a few days, practically speaking) the abovementioned other aspect of a user-history should come into consideration.
IMHO it will a) be more fair , b) prevent a lot of restlessness among other users (these kinds of threads) and perhaps most compelling for you mods wink c) will save a lot of mods putting time in this matter



considered not mentioning Matt too keep it general but most ppl know what happened AND i think it's part of the issue here as well.
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