Not sure if this is in the right forum.....but here goes:

Everyone please let the recent org controversy go. I've been hanging around here for about 5 years (used to be Peach6758). There is always controversy here, such thiings happen when you get a large group of personalities on a message board. People get banned, threads get locked. It happens. What is the constructive point of trying to harass mods with public outcry? The site rules and their official interpretations are left up to the mods. It's an unpaid job, they do not owe any of us anything. If you feel there are problems take it to orgnotes. It really sucks turning on my computer and instead of discussion of Prince or standard GD silliness or what might've been a chance for an open discussion for moderation has become a stinking pit of who snipped who and counting the strikes BS. If you have enough time to recall every little moderation incident of the past three weeks you need to get out and away from your computer screen for a while.

I understand that people will be upset when a popular user gets banned. It sucks. however there is a continuous flow of people here, who you might find just as funny, thought provoking or insightful. Besides you always have the option of keeping in contact with the banned one in a less public arena (ie email, IM ect.)
In each of the scandals I've ever witnessed (FACE, KLHK,Aaron, Icenine,Nep2nes, Natasha,Quaidbowl and now this) the site didn't collapse into cyber dust. Tempers faded and the weird and wonderful .org kept on.

This latest incident will eventually fade as well. Rather than make the rest of the.org suffer through threads full of rather unproductive complaining, please keep in mind that it is just a website and this too shall pass. If you really are that unhappy with the moderation decisions being made here, you are free to start your own version of a better site.

Tom said:

waitingfor the backlash calling me a kiss ass lol

Hi aprillmichelle,

I understand the sentiment behind this statement, and I understand the desire to want to avoid all unpleasantness. But you are also avoiding the much more important results that have come from many if not all of those situations. Everytime there is a controversy, it's not just that it passes and things "go on as before," but rather in many of those cases real change has resulted. Improvements have been made. And that I think is a more
dangerous thing to ignore.

For example, users now have the ability to appeal decisions to Ben. This is not "whining" or "complaining" but the only recourse we have if moderators abuse their powers. This would not have happened if people didn't take this site seriously, and not just see it as "oh well, things will pass." These are not just a string of nuisances, they are opportunities for both users and moderators to improve the community overall, and that can only be a step in the right direction.

Lleena said:

I understand the point you are making. However if you look at the majority of people posting on the threads on the subject, its not even a discussion. It's people bickering back and forth over something that really dosn't matter all that much. Its a website and everyone is taking this too seriously....Really since it is one orgers personal matter, I don't think it should have become a public firefight. Issues with mods should be taken to mods and if that is not effective, webmasters. No one else. Flaming and junior high style public popularity petitions have no real place in the matter and is encouraging the drama if anything. I am by nature going to have the attitude of "this too shall pass".....the issues of the real world and life out side of the virtual realm are infinately more worthy of my concern than what is supposed to be a fun and informative fan based website. 90% of the people making the fuss are the same folks who make a big dramatic "I'm leaving" thread...then come back 6 months later. They obviously were never part of the solution(as they are the first to complain), so they're part of the problem. If people want to be dramatic and treat this as a grand historical social .org movement,hooray for them. Everyone needs a hobby. however I shouldn't have to slog through pages of it to find a (non related to this childish flame war), discussion.

AprilMichelle said:

Ya know what? It seems to me that there is not a market to have any truly serious discussion about anything around here. If a mod doesn't like something, instead of a discussion about it, it gets locked or a mod will not moderate a thread impartially. So people want to complain about stuff? Big deal. You are free not to read any of it. Yes, the Org is a hobby, one that used to make me happy to visit. Some of it is real life to me. The way I feel about some of the folks here is very real.

TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said:

i respectfully disagree....the first Moderation Thread (i posted) was a wonderful aid for me (and im hoping other moderators)....i am really hopeful about whats happened the past couple weeks here...ive seen mods participate (in the backroom) and voicing their opinions more then I ever have.....i am faithfull a change is gonna come...

and theorgerformerlyknownas: the p&r forum misses you.....hang out with us more often...please!!!

and lleena: no hard feelings right? for some reason ive been thinking about your view/opinion/feelings a lot during all this.....hopefully you will be happy with the changes and wont leave us...

Listen,

I have been here since day one PPML days, and i can tell you know it was just as silly as it is today,well ok its gotten way out of control, but the mods job is to moderate on what may be deemed as offensive and against forum rules.

granted the incidents u mentioned, were quite huge in Orgville, but rest assured im sure they'll be bigger and more silly incidents in the future regarding the Org,people get on here and release and express themselves in a manor they cant do outside thier door,mind you some take it way over the extreme, and say and do things that some others may not like, and some may find it amusing.but again the Org will always be the internet's own Arkham Asylum

sosgemini said:

You are a sweetie.

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Yeah, let's just ignore it and it will all go away.

AprilMichelle said:

I think that the thing you're failing to grasp here aprilmichelle is that to friends of the Orger concerned, it does matter. I'm sure I dont need to explain to you the definition of friendship. The Org provides a medium to interact with people from all over the world and over time people get to know each other and form bonds of friendship that surpass the medium that brought them together, for instance, many Orgers interact outside of the Org and have met in person.







For the most part the threads concerned did not descend into chaos or flamewars (apart from the Quaidbowl comments, which were deleted.) and people are perfectly within their rights to question and comment on what happened there, especially since some of them found themselves personally involved. However, it was felt by many that those issues should be discussed on an appropriate thread.

The Org is a fun and informative place to visit, but it's also populated by real people. Orgers will never be stepford wives, you've been here long enough to know this, lets be realistic.

The moderators here do a great job and manage to stay good humoured despite any difficult issues that arise. However, sometimes people need to feel that they are playing on a level playing field, and that they can approach a moderator to discuss anything that concerns them. I persoanlly feel that the petition thread provided a public platform to do this. It allowed us to show support and discuss matters in a way that orgnotes and personal emails cannot. By this I mean that a number of people can discuss an issue at once and we can then comment on it and discuss it. We're all adults, and we are capable of making rational and thoughful posts. Treating Orgers as if they are incapable of doing this is only going to illicit an atmosphere of resentment.





This is the site discussion forum and as such we discuss site related issues. Sometimes they go beyond orgnote flowers not working or how to upload an avatar. The banning of an Orger is a site issue and I'm not sure what you expected to find here michelle, but I'm surprised that you are surprised.

Yes we should keep things in perspective and this is the Internet, but it's also a place where people will bring with them the values that they tend to live by, hence the different personalities here. Nobody becomes suddenly devoid of a personality because they're posting on a message board. You're right, some things shouldn't be taken seriously, but I also think that some things should, especially when real feelings are involved.

sosgemini said:

No hard feeling Sosgemini, Thankyou for your kind words, and I'm going to be around for a while yet

Lleena said:

I agree whole-heartedly with this, Lleena.

Clearly, AprilMichelle, if this many people are concerned with the "controversy" then it warrants being discussed as much and as often as it is. If you are not concerned with the orger or issue at hand, then you are also free to choose not to pariticpate and enjoy other threads. Just because it doesn't "matter all that much" to you doesn't mean we all feel that way.

when i was down n out in GD land

this thread warmed my heart


http://www.prince.org/msg...msg_151561



im sure 9s feels the same

shausler said:

wow...nice to see i have been pretty consistent with my views on moderation.....funny read...


i dont even remember making this statement:


sos said as kee:

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orgers really know how to beat some tired ass shit into the ground, don't they?

GrayKing said:

i really dont think your comment is neccesary....

sosgemini said:

so? none of this discussion is necessary either, yet on and on and on it goes.

sosgemini said:

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DiminutiveRocker said:

Lleena's post is a great one (as per usual )

shausler said:

yeah, and it works like a charm, doesn't it?
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shausler said:

wow. that was when i was still a full time lurker with my old name.

ellisdee said:

that thread was a good read.

shausler said:

apparently that isn't true, or this same thing wouldn't keep happening every 6 months.

Llee-Llee... well...

I agree...

GrayKing said:

your right to a certain extent..but you do have to ackowledge that each time it happens we are dealing with different people.....secondly, i think this time around hopefully is mods will be more effective in handling situations like this..after all, this blow-up wasnt nearly as severe as the ones in the pasts.....wouldnt you agree?

for the record, i agree completely with AprilMichelle's first post in this thread: drop it, let it go, get over it, get a life. however you want to put it. do you all realize what you're working yourselves up over? a website. a special, fun website, i'll grant you. but that's all it is. it isn't your life. it shouldn't be, anyway. and rehashing the same shit over and over isn't going to do any good. it may get 2the9s back on the site, but for how long? we've seen orgers return from lengthy deactivations, only to be "banned for life" not long after. it'll be nice to have him back, until the next time his beef with a moderator (any moderator will do) gets him banned again. and then you all will have used up all of your righteous indignation and throw the same tantrums all over again and it won't work and it won't matter.


in the end, you're just wasting your time, energy, and emotions. i've seen it on MANY forums around the net. there's a life out there and it isn't this. go live it with the same passion you pour into a website and maybe an orger getting deactivated for the Nth time isn't the most important thing for you to get emotional over.