Since when has it become acceptable on this board to bash white people and Christians? I have noticed a disturbing trend since the end of the US Presidential election where people seem to be at carte blanche to attack whites, Christians, and rural Americans and it is making me sick.

People on this board (and the rest of the world) seem to have the idea that the white Christian majority voted Bush into office. While they certainly helped the numbers show that they simply don’t have the power. According to the exit polls (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html) 23 percent of the voters would call themselves white born again Christians and of these 23 percent 78 percent voted for Bush and 21 percent voted for Kerry. This is a very significant number but one that is early completely neutralized by the minority vote.

Minorities accounted for the exact same 23 percent of the vote as the white born again Christians and they supported Kerry at a 72 to 27 percent clip which pretty much neutralized the white Christian born-again vote that is supposed to be bringing down our country.

Now that I have tried to debunk the power of the white Christians we need to look at the bigger picture and that is the way that whites and Christians are treated on this site. I myself have been called a skinhead (which I am but that’s a present from nature and not a hate thing), Connie White (whatever that means), and other derogatory terms aimed at me because I am white and lean to the right. I have also seen many, many posts and threads aimed at bashing whites that I have chosen to ignore. If people want I will dig through the forum and come up with numerous examples but I don’t think I need to because everyone knows it is happening.

My question to those that bash white people, Christians, and rural Americans is what would have happened to me if John Kerry had won the presidency and I came into this board and said, “Those damn minorities stole the election from us” or soemthing about the minorities "pushing their agenda on me" or chose a specific religion and called them out for voting for Kerry. I will tell you would happen I would be banned in a minute. So why do the moderators allow posts bashing whites on this board?

At the end of the day people each American receives one vote and they can choose to vote for whomever they choose for whatever reason they choose and we as a country have to live with the results.

[*edited your title to make it a lil less accusatory- sos]

I edited it to better fit the target audience (leaving your question mark.


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For the record I am white but I am not what anyone would call a Christian but I do think that Christians have the right to vote any way they choose.

You can bet 90% of the people being offended are the typical arrogant, egoistical, patriotic, dumb american who is with the USA flag stucked in their ass saying out loud how USA is the best place of the world and everybody is envious of them. So be it. The guys who acts like morons are the ones being offended, and they deserve.

7salles said:

So you think you can decide who deserves to have racist attitudes bestowed at them? Nice.

Excellent point! I too am interested in seeing what the moderators have to say about your post and why they have allowed so much white bashing on this site. For example, EWM. I don't always agree with his views, but I find it disgusting how much he is bashed and no one blinks an eye. And you're right.....even Christians have the right to vote for whomever they choose.

Point blank, when the religious right stops attacking others, they won't be attacked

kisscamille said:

He's bashed because he flame baits, refuses to debate, and dishes out what he receives.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

That's not how it works on this site. Sorry, I read the rules. Also, the so-caleld religious right is made up of about 1 percent of the 23 percent and I don't really think anyone on this site could be grouped into that category. Just another example.

There is no way this thread should have been moved. It was made for the people of the politics and religion forum.

Please link to specific examples of people bashing whites and christians. Curious to see how egregious these posts are or if people are simply disagreeing with each other.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

You know what. Later on I am going to dig through the old posts and make a list. People will be called out but that's okay.

lovemachine said:

racism or bigorty is not tolerated, period on this site...and if your going to make a strong accusation as such then i think it deserves to be in a forum where the owner and operator (ben) will have an oppurtunity to read and respond to...

now, i have been locking threads left and right (from both political persuasions) this week...rather then creating hysteria help a brotha out and "report to moderator"...

thanks,

i gotta say, i'm white and i haven't read anything that i'd consider offensive to me as a white man.

i agree that it's out of line to refer to lovemachine as a "skinhead", just because he happens to have a shaved head. the college boy peace punk in me bristles at that kind of miscategorization, and i think that steps should be taken to clean up the posts where he's misidentified as such - that is, if that's what lovemachine would like done.

an attack on a certain stereotype is one thing - i think that at best, it can open up dialog where stereotyping is deconstructed and insights can be discovered - but when an individual's personal identity is attacked - for example, in this case - i personally think that's crossing the line.

i think we're getting some wires crossed in this thread about discussion matter that is questionable and discussion matter that's just plain unacceptable.

so let's start untangling.

White people don't suffer from 'racism' in this country, my friend. Racism is a social disease that puts a certain group of people at an advantageover others...
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Anxiety said:

Me and Amy sat here one night reading posts just asking ourselves how they could let people get away with calling out Christians and white people. She was sitting on the couch and I read her example after example and we both were just amazed at what people were saying and how they were getting away with it. I think this was the day after election night. She is a Christian while I am not so we were able to look at that issue from both sides.



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jus a lil side bar comment:

DAMN THE ORG HAS BEEN ON FIRE!!! -the past couple weeks.

avelvetsweat said:

Would you prefer if it I called it white bashing?

lovemachine said:

I am very curious as to this attacking of Christians. I am very vocal about my disagreement with some religious core teachings. People should be free to point out hypocricy or to illustrate why they don't believe in a religion or it's beliefs.

I was planning on starting this thread about 4 or 5 days ago when election night was still fresh and people were still being paticularly hateful but I thought it had waned a little so I was just going to let it go. Then today in a thread somebody called me "connie white" and somebody else made a joke about skinheads voting republican and it brought back all the bad feelings I had about this site from election night.

I still can't believe how shots at whites and christians were being tolerated on this site. Sometimes it was subtle and sometimes it was blatent but it cannot be denied that a lot of people "blame" white christians for the election results and they are being allowed to express themselves about this on this board.

Like I said I will dig through the forums later and find examples. I am surprised I have to though because in my mind it's been very obvious that whites, christians, rural folk, and "southern rednecks" have been targets. As if there vote shouldn't count the same.

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

The beliefs yes but you are not allowed to group all the believers together and bash them. Paticularly when you call out an entire group based on a few extremists when 99 percent of Christians are nice loving individuals with no beef with anyone. You can bash Christianity but you cannot bash Christians.

lovemachine said:

okay, this is where you are wrong....i am the only moderator that frequents the p&r (and also moderates it) on a consistent bases and i never saw a singly one of these infractions that your speaking of.....and you didnt report any of them to a moderator....

now, in another life i was a human resource manager.....one of the rules of corporate discrimination or sexual harrasment is that a business has to have been fully aware of the activity and *not* react/act upon it.....

so, help me out here...use the "report to moderator" button please.....if you dont you really dont have grounds to claim blanket prejudice....sorry.

lovemachine said:

But I can bash Christians who bash me first I HATE religion, I'll make that perfectly clear. But as much as I hate it, there are certain freedoms in this country that I think makes this country great, freedom of religion being one of them. I would never stand in someone's way or try to stop them from worshipping as they see fit, but plenty of christians will stand in my way in receiving the same freedoms as all Americans. And the 99% of the others simply stand by while it's happening to me..... It's not just 1% that are fucking things up, it's quite a lot more than that and I will express my disatisfaction to the grave

And I don't agree with people labeling you a skinhead just because you have no hair on your head. But sometimes people are labeled in reverse as well. I said a GOP tactic was racist and all of a sudden I was being accused of calling all white southerners racists, and was accused of specifically calling a certain orger a racist, which I never did.

Shit flows both uphill and downhill.

sosgemini said:

Okay that is fair. But like I said on election night or the day after I was literally reading dozens and dozens of posts and moderators were cleaning up some stuff and leaving other stuff which I found to be offensive paticularly to whites.. I guess in retrospect I should have hit the report button but I felt like they were getting the thumbs up being as the mods were clearly readint the threads. In the future I will report more I guess.

But that aside there is a new disturbing trend of white bashing and Christianity bashing on the org. I am bothered.

I said he was acting like a "mirror of Connie White". The thread was not all that bad in context. I was a bit angry at his seemingly hateful outburst at xxaxx and flashpointe when points were made about Canada.

now lets take a look at some of the recent anti-conservative threads that have been locked as of recent..

Is George Bush a closet gay, extremist muslim?
Is Bush Gay?
You Are No True Christians
OFFICIAL : check why only dumb people vote Bush
An apology to all non-Americans Bush Cover Story of The Year!

Threads that were hidden to not offend:

Have you sold your Soul to the White Man?
MORE people voted AGAINST Bush than ANY other President


we got all our purple peoples backs covered....i purposely stayed away from the org election day and a few days after....i took the election lose personal and didnt want to deal with the crap that i knew would be present (sorta like the crap i have to deal with today and the past couple days..heheheh).....the other mods tried their best to help out but like i said, im the only mod who moderates the p&r world that reads the bulk of the stuff...so the reality is they probably missed the threads you were upset about lovemachine.....

there really isnt a conspiracy amoungst us mods....for real.
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Who says they are fucking things up? Isn't each person allowed to vote their own conscience and what happens happens.

I have stated that I am sad that George Bush may have won the election partially due to gay marriage because I am 100 percent for gay marriage. Although I just now realized that I hate weddings and this would mean more weddings so maybe I need to rethink my attitude

But anyway John Kerry didn't offer an alternative on that issue so I'm actually surprised that people use this issue as a lightning rod.

Also, for the record I think John Kerry lost the election during the second debate when it became known that he supported using federal funds to support abortions. If you are morally against abortion and think of it as murder you certainly don't want your tax dollars being used to support it.

sosgemini said:

I honestly didn't mean to offend you. This thread may be more about peoples attitudes then anything else.

And, I apologize as well for the "Is Bush a gay, closet extremist Muslim".

That was intentionally meant for comedy purpose.