mrbungle said:

i thought sogemni baited EWM in the first linked.

Abrazo said:

man thats all you do is throw bombs.

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MrTation said:

So being anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-hypocrisy etc. means also beeing anti-American? in that case there would be a lot of anti-Americans from the US itself...

most illogical


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Looks like there is some new drama around here.Does anyone know what happened with Pej and EWM?


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whatever happened, it's taken on massive spiritual and political ramifications.

Anxiety said:

I've always liked that word.

mrbungle said:

I don't disagree with some of the things you've said, but this is too far.

You are now saying that anyone who does not agree with your stance on the subject is either racist or ignorant. Now whos baiting?

You are even labeling the moderators, simply because you don't agree with them.

I do not agree with a lot of what EWM says, especially over the last 12 months, where he seems to be shifting more and more to the extreme right. But to call him a racist is like labeling all democrats as communists.

I do not agree with EWM's comment about nuking iran, but if he's guilty of anything, its generalising, not being racist. He is still angry about an attack on his homeland, and he is generalising a hit back in the area that the Amercian goverment sell to him as being "evil".

He loves what Bush has to say, so why wouldn't he believe the "Axis of Evil" comments too?

It is true he can tend to flame things up, but the one thing I have never seen is him being racist. I've seen him accused a few times, but if you actually read what he has typed, its often down to misinterpratation rather than factual comments.

Looking at the links you provided, I don't particularly see anything wrong with what EWM or PEJ have said.

Occasionally, and I mean only occasionally, I find some of his comments the most refreshing on here. Not because I agree with him, (mostly I don't) but for the fact he is willing to go straight to the point. something some people find uneasy about.

It also gives me an insight into the great american bubble!

EWM tends to take things head on, and yes, I'm sure he is looking for a fight sometimes, and borders on arrogant some of the time, but we cannot dismiss what he says simply for the way that he says it.

Where is he by the way? Has he been suspended too? And how long is PEJ gone for?

namepeace said:

I just like this guy's intelligence and honesty. I've bolded what I agree with.
These views are far and few in between around here and sometimes I think it's all it takes to make the drama end.

EWM is given a pass at every turn like a family dog that farts. As if because his name is Evil White Male that somehow this excuses all of his hateful venom.

JusTinTimE said:

I don't know why he picked the name, but I always assumed he was making a point that he could be labeled, simply from a look or sound, rather than what he said.

A bit like Marilyn Manson was labeled after the Colombine incident, if you know what I mean.

I would love it if he turned out to be a black, gay, muslim!

BGM

SquirrelMeat said:

The gay part is covered. Ask him about his broken chastity belt

I just came across this idiotic fucking thread and I had to laugh. Never on this site have I seen such a bitch fest.

What I find most idiotic about it is the way I'm being accused of "baiting" people. Do your fucking homework. Look over some threads and observe how the bullshit begins. I keep my posts on-topic (if it's a serious thread) and I never begin personal insults or flames against anyone. You seem to ignore the way I get jumped on by those who disagree with me. Then when I respond, I'm the one who gets the shit. Like I'm supposed to just take all the hits and never fire back.

Then to call me a racist. Are you totally fucking gone? I've never made any sort of racist statement because I'm not a racist. And those who aren't blinded by their hatred for me know that. It's very easy to throw that word around, isn't it?

And then there's the whole bombing controversy. Read my comment again if you please. I said Iran, Syria, and whatever should be nuked. First of all, that doesn't necessarily mean nuking the entire country. And second, although I still stand by what I wrote, I wouldn't be opposed to alternatives as long as a major impact is made. I may say some extreme shit sometimes, but I'm not a war monger who just wants to kill people for the fuck of it. Believe it or not, I can be reasonable.

As far as Pej goes, I have absolutely no idea what happened with him. As far as I know, him and I weren't engaged in any major flame wars or anything recently. I haven't been around here much these past few days, so if he did something to get in trouble, then I'm not aware of it.

I think this thread is childish and idiotic. It's just another example of how people aren't strong enough to handle a few words on a page. So far I've been called every name in the book, and have even had an orger call me in my personal space to harass me. Some of you guys have taken this shit way too far. If you wanna debate me, then debate me. But this saturation of stupidity is becomming excessive. None of this would be necessary if some of you would just ignore my posts. You make it worse because you get off on starting trouble, and then have the nerve to bitch about it later.

mrbungle, I would be sickened by this display if I didn't find it so goddamn pathetic.

SIT DOWN LITTLE MAN!

YOU ARE THE BIGGEST BATTER
DENY TILL THE DEATH BUT ITS THE TRUTH

YOUR JUST NOT VERY NICE, YOUR A BIG MEENIE FRANKLY

YOU CAN POSSESS ALL THE OPINIONS AND KNOWLEDGE UNDER THE SUN, HOWEVER IF YOUR A BIG KNOW IT ALL MEENIE WHILE GETTING YOUR POINTS ACROSS THEN YOUR POINT BECOMES MOOT.

JusTinTimE said:

Everyone is free to ignore me.

WHY MAY I ASK DO YOU WISH TO BE IGNORED OR DISLIKED OR SO READY TO PROVOKE LIKE A RABID DOG, I DONT GET IT? - YOUR PROBABLY NOT LIKE THIS IN REAL LIFE I HAVE A HUNCH

JusTinTimE said:

If you knew me in real life, you'd see that I'm a good guy, but I still hold the same beliefs. There are even a fair amount of people who can see through the disagreements and get along with me just fine. Hell, I argue with people like Supa, DavidEye, TheOrgerFormerly..JediMaster, Rhondab, etc., but at the end of the day, we're still friends. They're above all this bullshit and I don't know why more orgers can't be.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Chill boy, hey, look at the bright side to it: finally you have really a thread solely dedicated to you! what you always claimed now became reality, now isn't that special?

Anyway, there's a lot of things I've been accusing you of in the past, but racism has never been one of them. I still stick to my opinion. And if you read all the posts up this thread you'll see that there are many people around who think alike. But I can also understand that people from let's say Iranian or Syrian descent might see some of your remarks differently...


Your claim that you ALWAYS stay on topic is simply untrue. You easily drift OFF topic when it fits your agenda or like to give "arguments" that just can not be adressed in a serious way. But I also have a feeling that you try a bit more to hold actual debates in recent times, and you are a bit more careful in many of your posts (at least the ones I stumbled across). And you're still able to learn, I do not think you would phrase your opinion on the Iran & Syria issue using the same words you used back then...

I'm not saying you're the only one around falling for mistakes during debates. I myself did many many times, and others do the same. So I suggest for ALL of us to re-read this excellent quote from heybaby a few posts up above: a real man is a man of principle. a man who admits when he is wrong and follows what is right. he doesn't continue to support what is wrong in order to win the fight and avoid a blow to his ego.


so let's better leave it with this... oh... and as I can see PEJ has just signed in

EvilWhiteMale said:

Silence!!

I'll just say again that this really shouldn't be about just one or two ppl but just simply how the forum is moderated. EWM doesn't get under my skin as much as others that pretend to be something they are not. EWM does his thing and he's HONEST whether we like what he says or not.

I don't know what happened to PEJ and it seems no one really does. It sounds like we're assuming that it has something to do with the thread battles with EWM.

Lets just get some balance.


Balance.....(period)

such a sad little thread.

Rhondab said:

That's always what it seems to boil down to.....

namepeace said:

It's funny to see this post because I'm sure I know who you are talking about as well and looking back at the posts what you accuse him of is exactly what you have done. Personally just responding to this isn't worth the time

PS> stick to the topic

Dancelot said:

but then again... I might have been drinking to much?!? his profile is still gone... but I can swear, I just had a pop up message saying he signed in....