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PrintableHiinEnkelte said: so are we still allowed the freedom to pursue such matters into truth and understanding?
and to do so persistently? i think this is the core of your question....and im going to answer you with a yes and a no.... when it comes to religion, no...this forum isnt intended for anyone to pursue truth and understanding.....its for sharing your perspective.... sure you can create a thread to discuss your own interpetation of a certain scripture but you cant use that scripture as evidence that you are right and someone else is wrong..... does that help clear things up for you? Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: Flex your debating skills on more serious topics such as world politics, history, religion, racial issues etc. Keep it friendly though!
[color=red:445826c819]Interested in discussing your political or religious views? Then this is the forum for you. Civility, respect and tolerance must be maintained at all times. Disagree if you wish, but do not attack other individuals on the basis of their beliefs. Remember there is no right or wrong opinion. Any deletion of combative, bigoted or insensitive comments should not be construed as disapproval of your views; we only attempt to maintain an inclusive forum. Above all: KEEP IT FRIENDLY! [/color] Never!!!  | |
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2the9s said: sosgemini said: Flex your debating skills on more serious topics such as world politics, history, religion, racial issues etc. Keep it friendly though!
[color=red:445826c819]Interested in discussing your political or religious views? Then this is the forum for you. Civility, respect and tolerance must be maintained at all times. Disagree if you wish, but do not attack other individuals on the basis of their beliefs. Remember there is no right or wrong opinion. Any deletion of combative, bigoted or insensitive comments should not be construed as disapproval of your views; we only attempt to maintain an inclusive forum. Above all: KEEP IT FRIENDLY! [/color] Never!!! dont make me give out your home number and home address..  Space for sale... | |
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Remember there is no right or wrong opinion.
I must disagree with this as it creates the possibility of a paradox, and under a paradox anything can be true and thus this rule could be untrue... hummmmm so if it is both true and not true then Prince is president and the pope... hummmm I wonder if Prince was the Pope if he would excommunicate Kerry???? | |
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talk2bill2 said: Remember there is no right or wrong opinion.
I must disagree with this as it creates the possibility of a paradox, and under a paradox anything can be true and thus this rule could be untrue... hummmmm so if it is both true and not true then Prince is president and the pope... hummmm I wonder if Prince was the Pope if he would excommunicate Kerry???? He said "opinion" not that not that there aren't specific truths. Opinion is just that.....opinion. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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fantasyislander said: irresistibleb1tch said:  i FINALLY made a list!  how cool is THAT?! 
 that was a list of some sort, wasn't it?! 
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I just skimmed this thread, but I agree! Ralph Nader supporters suck ass!
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But to what degree will shit be enforced? Will only hard core flames be removed, or will mild personal jabs be included as well? The mods are gonna be working overtime if they wanna keep a tight ship. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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teller said: Dude, like that eliminates 75% of the posts!
 we'll it looks like your one of those 75% especially if the term ignorant, racist, and homophobic count. | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: But to what degree will shit be enforced? Will only hard core flames be removed, or will mild personal jabs be included as well? The mods are gonna be working overtime if they wanna keep a tight ship.
you know...theres a statement that is references twice in the new rules: "keep it friendly".....we all kid each other from time to time.....and thats okay....but its the people that continually use this forum as their personal propoganda tool that are going to be most effected... arent there websites for people who wanna really get down and dirty on jesus? Space for sale... | |
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no..you can still talk about jesus.....what you cant do is use jesus' name to tell everyone they are wrong.....[/quote]
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ATTENTION ALL: sosgemini forgot to mention that what Lammastide says is correct and final. Gospel even.
Consider me somethin' like the pope around here.  Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: talk2bill2 said: [/b]
I must disagree with this as it creates the possibility of a paradox, and under a paradox anything can be true and thus this rule could be untrue... hummmmm so if it is both true and not true then Prince is president and the pope... hummmm I wonder if Prince was the Pope if he would excommunicate Kerry???? He said "opinion" not that not that there aren't specific truths. Opinion is just that.....opinion. so the world has been reduced to mere opinion, (opinions one must hold in a rather inconsequential and indifferent way), and tautology, which is now our only allowable version of truth. just lovely. if it ain't tautology, it is mere opinion. wow.   [This message was edited Sat Jul 17 10:00:18 2004 by HiinEnkelte] Welcome to the New World Odor and
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HiinEnkelte said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: He said "opinion" not that not that there aren't specific truths. Opinion is just that.....opinion. so the world has been reduced to mere opinion, (opinions one must hold in a rather inconsequential and indifferent way), and tautology, which is now our only allowable version of truth. just lovely. if it ain't tautology, it is mere opinion. wow.
[This message was edited Sat Jul 17 10:00:18 2004 by HiinEnkelte] some would say tautology is all that was on display during this rather pointless tit for tats...  Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: HiinEnkelte said: so are we still allowed the freedom to pursue such matters into truth and understanding?
and to do so persistently? i think this is the core of your question....and im going to answer you with a yes and a no.... when it comes to religion, no...this forum isnt intended for anyone to pursue truth and understanding.....its for sharing your perspective.... sure you can create a thread to discuss your own interpetation of a certain scripture but you cant use that scripture as evidence that you are right and someone else is wrong..... does that help clear things up for you? so then debating isn't allowed anymore on religious threads....? it is just for confessionals and testimonials, then. i can't challenge anyone's truth claims, representations of history and events, representations of other's people's religious materials, and arguments for or against something, if they, as anyone can, would protect themselves and voice their claims from underneath the religious cloak? you say that we shouldn't get caught up in the specifics.... how does one debate, or have enlightening discussion about issues politcal and religious without specifics? yes, it's quite obvious i am seeking clarity, and even challenging these new forum rules insofar as i can understand them. and i am trying to be friendly about that Sos
keep it friendly was part of the original rules. i think some people like to read into other peoples threads and intentions (which is often grossly unfriendly), and accuse them of unfriendliness. but what is it exacly to 'keep it friendly.'? does it mean to forsake your stance, or quit defending your position? the other party can desist just as easily. it always takes two to tango. Welcome to the New World Odor and
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sosgemini said: HiinEnkelte said: so the world has been reduced to mere opinion, (opinions one must hold in a rather inconsequential and indifferent way), and tautology, which is now our only allowable version of truth. just lovely. if it ain't tautology, it is mere opinion. wow.
[This message was edited Sat Jul 17 10:00:18 2004 by HiinEnkelte] some would say tautology is all that was on display during this rather pointless tit for tats... who are these 'some'? they don't sound like bright people. tautology on display?? where? here, in our exchange...? how so? you are calling my points pointless ? a little confused here. can you help a brutha out. what was tautogical about anything said between us? it's pointless for me to try to understand what these new rules are? are they clear to everyone except me? is debating in religious threads now forbidden- yes or no? if i state my beliefs is anyone (atheist, JW, or otherwise) allowed to say, "that's not the way it happened, that is based on a misconception, on a myth, on a misunderstanding" or is that the privlege of only one group on this site? Welcome to the New World Odor and
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So people are unclear on what the "new" rules are. It does look like the mods are wondering how far to go on enforcing civility in a forum that was always kinda rough and aggressive.
Now why do you think lots of people won't even discuss politics and religion at the dinner table? Because it's controversial and it illicits passionate responses and friction. The "new rules" sound like someone thinks this can all be done very nicely, with everyone in control of their emotions. I believe this forum was created as a containment strategy, so the passionate political and religious folks could bicker within certain bounds and not bore the rest of the Org. We should keep it this way. Moderators, you will never have an interesting Politics and Religion forum if you try to force us to do what no one else seems to be able to do. I think you are more sensitive than previous moderators and have unrealistic expectations. I mean.. if you believed that an RIP Ronal Reagan thread could just be condoleances and homages, it sounds like you don't know your audience. | |
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HiinEnkelte said: sosgemini said: some would say tautology is all that was on display during this rather pointless tit for tats... who are these 'some'? they don't sound like bright people. tautology on display?? where? here, in our exchange...? how so? you are calling my points pointless ? a little confused here. can you help a brutha out. what was tautogical about anything said between us? it's pointless for me to try to understand what these new rules are? are they clear to everyone except me? is debating in religious threads now forbidden- yes or no? if i state my beliefs is anyone (atheist, JW, or otherwise) allowed to say, "that's not the way it happened, that is based on a misconception, on a myth, on a misunderstanding" or is that the privlege of only one group on this site? nono, not talking about our discussion but more so some of the threads that linger on and on in this forum... Space for sale... | |
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The problem is that some people can't help but make things personal, and that's where shit gets out of hand. It's totally possible to have a forum with civil discussions, but people need to quit being assholes first. "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Aerogram said: So people are unclear on what the "new" rules are. It does look like the mods are wondering how far to go on enforcing civility in a forum that was always kinda rough and aggressive.
Now why do you think lots of people won't even discuss politics and religion at the dinner table? Because it's controversial and it illicits passionate responses and friction. The "new rules" sound like someone thinks this can all be done very nicely, with everyone in control of their emotions. I believe this forum was created as a containment strategy, so the passionate political and religious folks could bicker within certain bounds and not bore the rest of the Org. We should keep it this way. Moderators, you will never have an interesting Politics and Religion forum if you try to force us to do what no one else seems to be able to do. I think you are more sensitive than previous moderators and have unrealistic expectations. I mean.. if you believed that an RIP Ronal Reagan thread could just be condoleances and homages, it sounds like you don't know your audience. no, not at all...not much has changed.. however, what happens is when people end up going to an extreme and end up being banned i think you need clear explenation of what rules have been violated..... me thinks you guys are worrying a bit too much here....there was very lil moderation in this forum in the past and it will continue to stay that way....this is simply an attempt to address those few who take things to an extreme.... thats all... Space for sale... | |
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EvilWhiteMale said: The problem is that some people can't help but make things personal, and that's where shit gets out of hand. It's totally possible to have a forum with civil discussions, but people need to quit being assholes first.
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2the9s said: I just skimmed this thread, but I agree! Ralph Nader supporters suck ass!
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XxAxX said: Any deletion of combative, bigoted or insensitive comments should not be construed as disapproval of your views; we only attempt to maintain an inclusive forum
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sosgemini said: XxAxX said: Any deletion of combative, bigoted or insensitive comments should not be construed as disapproval of your views; we only attempt to maintain an inclusive forum
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Aerogram said: I think you are more sensitive than previous moderators and have unrealistic expectations. I mean.. if you believed that an RIP Ronal Reagan thread could just be condoleances and homages, it sounds like you don't know your audience.
i wanna address this point directly...ive had people celebrate the passing of a family member...i have people left and right calling me names...and i just let it slide.its not i who am being overly sensative.....its the other way around..... all of the people who have posted in this forum who are still allowed to post in this forum have done nothing wrong....you can continue your course as is.....but for those who come here with the specific agenda to start shit with other people, these new rules spell out specifics and your gonna be dismissed way before you get the chance to fuck things up.... and as far as the reagan thread is concerned, whats wrong with trying to find a compromise when people complain? did i delete peoples comments? did hide or delete the thread? no....i simply made a recommendation to people to either follow or not... things could go back to the other way...but then everyone seems to bitch about how things were moderated back then too... wait, is that what this is all about? people just want an excuse to bitch? 
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XxAxX said: should not be construed as denial of your individual right to air your own opinion
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sosgemini said: XxAxX said: should not be construed as denial of your individual right to air your own opinion
mebbe hey, i like that....thanks... and changed.....  whoa. i'm honored. thank you.  | |
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sosgemini said: Aerogram said: I think you are more sensitive than previous moderators and have unrealistic expectations. I mean.. if you believed that an RIP Ronal Reagan thread could just be condoleances and homages, it sounds like you don't know your audience.
i wanna address this point directly...ive had people celebrate the passing of a family member...i have people left and right calling me names...and i just let it slide.its not i who am being overly sensative.....its the other way around..... all of the people who have posted in this forum who are still allowed to post in this forum have done nothing wrong....you can continue your course as is.....but for those who come here with the specific agenda to start shit with other people, these new rules spell out specifics and your gonna be dismissed way before you get the chance to fuck things up.... and as far as the reagan thread is concerned, whats wrong with trying to find a compromise when people complain? did i delete peoples comments? did hide or delete the thread? no....i simply made a recommendation to people to either follow or not... things could go back to the other way...but then everyone seems to bitch about how things were moderated back then too... wait, is that what this is all about? people just want an excuse to bitch?
and aero....how come you rarely post in this forum anyways? except when it comes to something like this? You created a RIP Reagan thread in the GD forum after we discussed how pointless it was to expect such a thread to stay free of Reagan criticism in the P&R forum. Granted, the GD thread had some criticism too, but still it shows you understood why the thread creator's request was futile. As for your question, I rarely have time to post these days period, but I do try to read the forums daily and I've had many discussions in this forum that personally mattered, such as those I had during the Iraq war. It was the only time I can remember ever being in total disagreement with Supa for example, so that's something really special! I like this forum and am interested in any new rules that might change its nature, even though I am less active these days. If you are interested, I posted a few things on homosexuality yesterday and today. Some stuff is just too wrong for me to ignore, no matter how busy I am.  | |
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