is anyone other than twinkle a first timer? i can give subway lessons if needed.

jone70 said:

hi!! well, if more people would rather go to the Guggenheim on the Sunday let me know and we'll go with the majority

show of hands if you'd rather do the Guggenheim

cborgman said:

uh yeah me and Ocean are both first-timers...I've never even been to the US before

Natisse said:

guggenheim is much more involved. empire is worth about 15 minutes at most.
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cborgman said:

yeah but I'm told to allow a looooong while to try and actually get up there... have no idea what to expect lol

cborgman said:

empire will be more than 15 minutes--it will take you that long just to get through the line to the first set of elevators/stairs.


MoMA is nice, too...but a bit pricier at $20/person. Although it's like walking into an Modern Art History book. The Met is discretionary admission (i.e. pay what you wish).


**I didn't mean to cause any problems by bringing up museums. I live in New York so I can do any of it any time. The NYC visitors should do what they want--but if anyone wants to go to museums I know a lot about a lot of them. (I work in museum education.)
[Edited 3/11/06 12:59pm]

jone70 said:

MoMA? sowwy

Natisse said:

I don't get it--Is the new MoMA a big international joke?

jone70 said:

no sorry hon what I was meaning is that I have no idea what it even is... what does MoMA an abbreviation for?

Natisse said:

okay. pay attention everyone...

new york is set up as a grid.

all streets run west to east. almost every street is numbered. the numbers get bigger the further north you go. if you are ever confused as to which way you are facing, remember this, it will save you a lot of headache.

all avenues run north to south. this is a little more confusing that the streets, because some are numbered, some are named. if you are looking for an avenue, it will be best to ask someone. don't be afraid to ask, the concept of new york as scary and violent is very outdated. most people will be more than happy to point you in the direction you need to be going.

i would highly suggest buying a metro card (probably the 6 rides for 10, 12 rides for 20, or just splurge a little and get the unlimited week card for 24, because unless you are planning to cab it everywhere (expensive) you will use the subway a lot.

there are always subway maps in subway stations, when using them, make sure that the train you are getting on stops at that station. there are several different trains on the same line, some of whihc are express, and will skip stops. every stop on the maps in the subway will list which train numbers or letters stop there.

if people want to tell me what hotel they are at, i can give you specific directions on the subway to get to places you are going.

i can't get the map to show up properly, but here is the link to the general map (the one you get in the city/the one that is in the subway stations) is MUCH more detailed and specific...

http://www.mta.nyc.ny.us/...submap.htm
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jone70 said:

i should have been more specific....

15 minutes once you are up there. the wait to get up there is excruciating
[Edited 3/11/06 13:07pm]

Natisse said:

museum of modern art

Natisse said:

Museum of Modern Art www.moma.org

It has all the famous paintings you've seen in art history books:

van Gogh's Starry Night




Picasso's Demoiselles D'Avignon



Dali's Persistence of Memory



Pollock's Number One




and many many more famous paintings!
It's six floors of Modern and Contemporary Art masterpieces!

ok thanks Chris for that info I'm not comfortable posting where we're staying but I'll orgnote you ...and thanks Joni sorry for my ignorance

guys I'll leave it for a couple of days and see what the vote is... I suggested the Empire State Building because it's an international symbol of America and New York in particular and also because I still hadn't recieved any other suggestions from anyone

leave it to the vote and we'll see either way... I'll make it Tuesday my time if the majority hasn't said they would rather go the guggenheim then we'll leave it at the Empire State Building. it won't worry me either way personally because I'll see both at some stage during that week

jone70 said:

DAAAAALI!!

orgnote me then...

cborgman said:

shall do

cborgman said:

Yes, I am happy to help people out too-- just orgnote me and I can give you my email address or cell phone number.

cborgman, you forgot to mention that the numbered grid only works north of Houston Street (pronounced How-ston, not Hew-ston). Once you go South of Houston (SoHo) all bets are off and the streets have names instead of numbers. It's best to have a map, especially the closer you get Chinatown, Little Italy, etc...

jone70 said:

you're right, i forgot.

i will get maps for the newbies and hand them out friday.

and i am doubting anyone will want to go downtown. most of the itenirary seems to be above houston
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Natisse said:

and they have more Dali's! And Max Ernst, de Chirico, Duchamp, Gauguin, Matisse, Magritte, O'Keefe, Kahlo, Barnett Newman, Braques, Bruce Nauman, the list goes on and on...

jone70 said:

I'm a real art lover as you can tell ...it's a bit pricey for the group thing I think but I'm definately going at some stage while I'm there

thank you!!!

Natisse said:

if you are wanting to see the pieces you are responding to, you mena MoMA, not the guggenheim.

and my vote goes to MoMA or the guggen

cborgman said:

ok cool... duly noted

there's a pass for $53 to 6 attractions ...and also if more than 10 of us want to go it's $15

http://www.guggenheim.org...on.shtml

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i'm not going

BucketOfBouncyBalls said:

fair enough... ok

why are we going to a museum?

what happened to brunch at bb kings? sunday brunch in new york city is a time honored tradition. it's a damn shame to come to new york city and not have some sort of brunch somewhere. besides, that's the only even i know for sure that i can come to.