Do you guys know of any products (dvd, play along, aebersold, books etc) which specifically help build PHRASING and TIMING??

I play jazz guitar. Need some help making the arpeggios sound like jazz and not arpeggios!


Anyone?

Ask frankAxteel or something liek this, he is the only guy here that knows how to play really good jazz guitar that i can think of.

Frank Axtell
http://frankaxtell.com

He's got loads of book recomendations.

yamomma said:

Cheers dudes

There's this Scoot Henderson video which isn't bad. It's more of a fusion thing, but he's got some good ideas going on there. Also, listen to piano players and try to cop their lines. 4 some reason that helped me. Good luck!

I'm more of the jazz-rock persuasion, but here's my thoughts for what it's worth:
1) As for timing, nothing is better than playing with a metronome. After you can play right with the clicks, there's stil so much to explore! Also, I like to "learn" drum parts on my guitar, get a feel for what a drummer's doing.

2) About arpeggio's, in my experience substitution is key to making them sound un-arpeggio-y. A min 7 arp over a min 7? Boring! Em is a little more fun. A dim a lot more, D#+ lots and lots.

Not sure if any of this is new to you, but who knows...

Hi there,
Since i am a drummer i cannot give you specific information about guitar playing, but for sure about music - in this case timing.
I had a great great discussion lately with Peter Erskine.
Actually i was looking for a private lesson. Instead he let me sit right
behind his drumset for the entire lenght of two days of rehearsals.
Somewhere inbetween we had a a cigarette together, and then he said something to me. It was so simple, i almost had a shock. Also because it`s nothing i didn`t know before. It was the way he told me that.
So here`s one for ya`.
Timing is inside. You don`t - do - timing. Timing just is, and so is the music.
You don`t make music - maybe play it, but 1st thing is : you let go.
The timing itself can never be in your hands, or in your fingers. It`s inside.

Now i wish i could speak and write English much better, but i am still learning it.
I hope that was a little helpful to some of you. I helped me a lot, i am still thinking about the way of thinking so to speak.
Great record by a great drummer by the way : Bill Stewart:Think before you think
Anyway, timing is inside.
Have a great day,
Hendrik

TonyWilliams said:

that was very cool. Thank you.

You thank me, i thank Peter Erskine AND you.Love.

There are two video lessons with Joe Pass as far as I know. He is the master. I surely recommend it

Thanks Tony Williams for posting the Peter E tips!

GustavoRibas said:

Good stuff! I especially love the one where he finishes up and says, 'Welp, I'm gonna go have lunch now!"

I remember seeing one where he goes: "I don't play any difficult stuff, just simple things, like..." and then plays some stuff that made my head spin!

guitarslinger44 said:

If you don't mind the suggestion check out www.carolkaye.com

She sells the Joe Pass chord book and his book on chord styles.

She has a really good jazz guitar tape where she explains chordal scales and the different jazz chord structures and how to get "that sound" without playing endless scales over everything.

They also have free tips on music playing on her site.

PurpleHouse said:

Along with great ideas you've already been given, listen to sax players.
Initially, ones that don't play a mile a minute. Early Stanley Turrentine has been very helpful to me.
If you can find a copy of his album "Cherry", sell your soul for it ;^)


Here are some spots on the net for free lessons and ideas regarding jazz guitar playing.

http://www.guitarmain.com/
http://www.guitarmain.com/search.html
http://www.jazzguitar.com/lessons.html
http://www.musicstaff.com...r/jazz.asp
http://www.wholenote.com/...?vb=0&i=10
http://www.goughinfo.co.u...20page.htm
(this gent above has some very thought provoking ideas on playing.)
http://guitar-masters.com/links.html
http://www.tuckandpatti.c...rner.shtml
(some good stuff here from Tuck Andress)