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Thread started 12/01/03 11:54am

otan

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What happened to my GUITAR FEEDBACK?

I know the basics:
guitar string vibrates, goes through the amp, the speaker creates vibrations which, in turn, cause the string to vibrate, which causes feedback.

Enhancers: Distortion, compression, locality (closeness to the speaker) volume and facial expressions.

BUT, for SOME REASON, I'm getting no feedback love anymore. I'm telling you, I was cranked and had the guitar kissing the amp and, pfffrt.

Why? Salles? SOMEBODY? Hep a brotha out.

Here's my toy chain:
Telecaster with nashville p/ups -> tube screamer (distortion is at 2 oclock, tone is at noon), into Fender Deluxe, treble and bass both at 7 or 8, volume at 3 or 4, thru a 12-inch speaker, amp is 1 foot off the floor. I was wearing brown sunglasses and a Dont blame me, you voted for Bush t shirt.

Any thoughts? Why would I no longer get feedback? I really don't want to go to a heavier distortion pedal, and hell, I've been able to pull feedback out of this set up in the past, (well, thru the tube screamer, but it was a diff guitar and diff amp... strat and super reverb wannabe).

Discuss.
[This message was edited Mon Dec 1 12:32:47 PST 2003 by otan]
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Reply #1 posted 12/01/03 12:51pm

7salles

Like you already know, distortion and volume are the best friends of feedback :p . Buuut if you don't want more distortion you could try more volume, if it's already too loud you can do like this: (it works for me)

Play diferrent notes and you will notice that the position that you are in relation to the position of ampli plays major part in all of this.

But the trick, in my case, is to hit the string with the volume turned down to zero and start turning up the volume SLOWLY.

Sorry i can be more technical than that, but i can get feedback easily this way, even if i'm not under lots of distortion. I hope it works for you, but i am sure other guys here can give a lesson about feedback.

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Reply #2 posted 12/01/03 12:52pm

7salles

P.S. sometimes i get more feedback a little away from the speaker than near. i don't know why too.
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Reply #3 posted 12/01/03 12:59pm

otan

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7salles said:

P.S. sometimes i get more feedback a little away from the speaker than near. i don't know why too.

Thanks. I'll check into that. Gotta practice at home sometimes... seems the only time I'm playing my guitar lately is at gigs... NOT that I'm braggin or nuttin... okay, I am bragging! But still...
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Reply #4 posted 12/01/03 2:46pm

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Reply #5 posted 12/01/03 3:25pm

Slave2daGroove

otan said:

I know the basics:
guitar string vibrates, goes through the amp, the speaker creates vibrations which, in turn, cause the string to vibrate, which causes feedback.

Enhancers: Distortion, compression, locality (closeness to the speaker) volume and facial expressions.

BUT, for SOME REASON, I'm getting no feedback love anymore. I'm telling you, I was cranked and had the guitar kissing the amp and, pfffrt.

Why? Salles? SOMEBODY? Hep a brotha out.

Here's my toy chain:
Telecaster with nashville p/ups -> tube screamer (distortion is at 2 oclock, tone is at noon), into Fender Deluxe, treble and bass both at 7 or 8, volume at 3 or 4, thru a 12-inch speaker, amp is 1 foot off the floor. I was wearing brown sunglasses and a Dont blame me, you voted for Bush t shirt.

Any thoughts? Why would I no longer get feedback? I really don't want to go to a heavier distortion pedal, and hell, I've been able to pull feedback out of this set up in the past, (well, thru the tube screamer, but it was a diff guitar and diff amp... strat and super reverb wannabe).

Discuss.
[This message was edited Mon Dec 1 12:32:47 PST 2003 by otan]


Here's my method (thru the Marshall) although it's kinda Spinal Tap.

Turn-up everything to 11 (vol, mids, lows, all pick-ups) on the guitar and the amp. Then dial in from there, I've found that with the right presence setting (think that's what it's called) I can have less volume and still feedback.




Paisley edit that long mutha, I'm getting a cramp over here.
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Reply #6 posted 12/02/03 12:54am

hectim

I'd say you need more distortion. 2 o clock on a tubescreamer? Hell that's CRUNCH!
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Reply #7 posted 12/02/03 7:08am

otan

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hectim said:

I'd say you need more distortion. 2 o clock on a tubescreamer? Hell that's CRUNCH!

That's all I NEED, BIYATCH! You know me - I'm a Hendrix/SRV/BB King kinda player... I don't like the drastic jump from clean funk to ear-flattening distortion - it's a hard sell.

But hey, dammit, I'll try anything to get that feedback, uh, back.
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Reply #8 posted 12/03/03 12:55am

hectim

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You're showing the tell-tale signs of feedback cold turkey so I won't take the bait. One day when you've come to your senses and are using a fuzz face set at full fuzz (like Jimi and SRV), happily feedbacking away without a care in the world, you'll thank me for it. BTW, a fuzz face will allow you to go from clean to maggot brain gradually as it responds very beautifully to volume adjustments. But hey, it's your life. If you wanna go and try to get screaming feedback from a Boss Acoustic Simulator pedal and a Noise Gate, go ahead and knock yourself out my friend! evillol


otan said:

hectim said:

I'd say you need more distortion. 2 o clock on a tubescreamer? Hell that's CRUNCH!

That's all I NEED, BIYATCH! You know me - I'm a Hendrix/SRV/BB King kinda player... I don't like the drastic jump from clean funk to ear-flattening distortion - it's a hard sell.

But hey, dammit, I'll try anything to get that feedback, uh, back.
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Reply #9 posted 12/03/03 5:24am

otan

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hectim said:

If you wanna go and try to get screaming feedback from a Boss Acoustic Simulator pedal and a Noise Gate, go ahead and knock yourself out my friend! evillol

Funny dog. Funny.

Hey - can I use your guitar article on my site?
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Reply #10 posted 12/03/03 6:14am

hectim

Sure, you can copy whatever you like from my site, as long as you give me credit!


otan said:

Hey - can I use your guitar article on my site?
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Reply #11 posted 12/05/03 5:13am

Rowdy

Jimi Hendrix used to hit his guitar with his fist to make feedback too...
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Reply #12 posted 12/05/03 5:23am

otan

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I finally got it back.

Switched to the strat, included a compressor in the chain, and yes, cranked the tube screamer up to 3 o clock.

All is well.
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Reply #13 posted 12/05/03 7:29pm

Fnkykldmedina

If it's part of Ur set-up... I get some good feedback when I push my crybaby pedal into the right position (foward 4 the treble). also when I have the guitar volume at full throttle and the amp distortion combined with a distortion pedal (it kinda makes the whole effect very touchy)
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Reply #14 posted 12/05/03 10:33pm

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I know what you're lacking. Gain and the proper frequencies. (This reminds me of my heavy Hendrix guitar days) hehe Umm... that's all feedback is, certain frequencies getting picked up. Did you change any of your EQ? You might want to turn up ot even max out your EQ on the high end freq. This will help you get feedback without adding any unwanted distortion. I know you don't want to get a "saturated" distortion sound so this might be the cleanest way. Other than that, like I said you're lacking gain. If you have a graphic EQ on your amp that will help you even more with picking the right frequency. I had a lot of fun learning about this subject back in my live sound days. hehe I used to know a funny trick with EQ it would freak out guys testing the mics. (I have to go through my notes to find that again) :+) Anyway, good luck and take care everybody.
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