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I'm totally into the idea/belief that sound is the source of everything. This is why I resonate with Hindu mythology so much. Their mantra's are the very example of how everything starts from sound. You chant for long enough and bring something into manifestation. Brahma and Saraswati are the God/Goddess of creation. Saraswati holds in her hands an Indian Lute, called a Vina. The myth is that she strummed it to set creation in motion. Anyway, that is where I got my name, Vina. When I used to sing back-up for a friend of mine I took that as my stage name, symbolically offering myself to Saraswati as her instrument. I always sang better with that frame of mind, giving it up to the Goddess. Ok, enough spiritual talk. The guys are gonna think I'm Koo Koo. | |
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VinaBlue said: Ok, enough spiritual talk. The guys are gonna think I'm Koo Koo.
Too late... Do you want to hear something funny? I almost became a Hindu at university, and even became a vegetarian for a year and a half...yeah, that bit was stupid, but the bit where Om (or Aum) is the fundamental vibration/sound of the universe and the first to be uttered during it's creation, I dig very much. For those of you who like religion to be based of the purist of philosophies, check out the Upanishads. A nice quote from one of the boooks I've just found on the web, "Om is the one eternal syllable of which all that exists is but the development. The past, the present, and the future are all included in this one sound, and all that exists beyond the three forms of time is also implied in it" Not eating potatoes because little soil-things get disturbed is just plain silly though...  He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would fully suffice. - Albert Einstein | |
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MaggotBrain said: VinaBlue said: Ok, enough spiritual talk. The guys are gonna think I'm Koo Koo.
Too late... Do you want to hear something funny? I almost became a Hindu at university, and even became a vegetarian for a year and a half...yeah, that bit was stupid, but the bit where Om (or Aum) is the fundamental vibration/sound of the universe and the first to be uttered during it's creation, I dig very much. For those of you who like religion to be based of the purist of philosophies, check out the Upanishads. A nice quote from one of the boooks I've just found on the web, "Om is the one eternal syllable of which all that exists is but the development. The past, the present, and the future are all included in this one sound, and all that exists beyond the three forms of time is also implied in it" Not eating potatoes because little soil-things get disturbed is just plain silly though... I've been a vegetarian for years, then I started eating chicken. Only boneless, skinless chicken breast. Recently I started eating bacon and tuna! 
Yeah, the Aum thing is totally cool. Back when I used to go to meditation groups, we did this groovy Aum chant. Everyone started to hold notes with aum, then we started variating it and singing aum in different rhythyms and registers. Everybody was improvising, there were about 7 of us. It was sooo amazing, we did it for like 30 minutes. My whole body was buzzing afterwards. Kinda like when I would go in the piano practice room in college and play for an hour. All that wonderful acoustic sound just enveloping your body, mind and spirit. Beautiful. | |
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VinaBlue said: sacredwarrior said: MaggotBrain said: Ambitious stuff, but the music, that's great...are they yours? Take the best few, and use 'em to remove those trained monkeys from our charts!
Yeah they're mine but I'm the only person who works at the Embassy so I tend to make initial posts about it in the third person - sorry if that confused. Um already tried the 'industry/radio' things many times but no doors would open so I figured I'd just do my own thing based on my beliefs about Music being a BIRTHRIGHT for people - that they should get it free - and the internet and the Embassy kind of provides that so ... I really appreciate your compliments. About the birthright thing : human beings are born and then made to slave their butts off to gain the very things they should be entitled to from birth : food, water, shelter, basic clothing etc .. and to me Music is one of these things. Music is like Food for the Soul/Mind/Spirit yet we are made to pay for mostly poor representations of it that are sold like toothpaste in the superstore from Hell. Of course it'd be great to flip all of that by offering the industry my 'worth' ( whatever that is ) but I'm quite happy living relatively peacefully for the time being and giving the Embassy and the music to people as an example of how things could be in the hope that one day things will be that way. I've only had the site up for a couple of months and I understand fully if some sections are a bit freaky but I suppose I wanted to supply a range of things under music that other people might be interested in as well. Often music is separated from spirituality etc... so the Embassy aims to marry these things ( art/poetry/truth etc ) to give a more complete overview. Cheers, PB www.pbphonehome.com I really like what you are saying PB, and I totally dig your vibe. I remember when I took that one required Humanities 101 course and I was struck by the fact that in ancient times, everyone's talent and purpose was put to use. Everybody had their place, artists included. I forget what the term is for it, but the idea stuck with me. Some people were hunters, some were carpenters, painters, builders, artisans, musicians and I think everyone was paid equal. What a beautiful life that would be. As for music and spirituality combined... Have you read The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron?  YES! What a great book. I remembered today that she said negativity and depression are merely a result of suppressed creativity - and this is SO true. Imagine how much time and money ( not to mention even further psychoses ) people would save from going to their shrink who sits their holding up wierd pictures to try and analyse their psyche if they knew this. Depressed? CREATE SOMETHING. lol. And yeah you've pretty much summised the idea of the New Earth Embassy with your words above about ALL of societies CREATORS getting paid by the 'government' to do their job. People's taxes would go toward funding these things instead of meals for prisoners, who, in turn, if they read The Artists Way might just find something to feel GOOD about in themselves - be rehabilitated LOVINGLY and put on the ARTISTS PAYROLL. LOL! And if anyone wants more than they really need in life by way of material things then by all means GO WORK YOUR BUTT OFF FOR IT at a privatised company but be prepared to do long hours. lol. " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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Slave2daGroove said: sacredwarrior said: MaggotBrain said: Ambitious stuff, but the music, that's great...are they yours? Take the best few, and use 'em to remove those trained monkeys from our charts!
Yeah they're mine but I'm the only person who works at the Embassy so I tend to make initial posts about it in the third person - sorry if that confused. Um already tried the 'industry/radio' things many times but no doors would open so I figured I'd just do my own thing based on my beliefs about Music being a BIRTHRIGHT for people - that they should get it free - and the internet and the Embassy kind of provides that so ... I really appreciate your compliments. About the birthright thing : human beings are born and then made to slave their butts off to gain the very things they should be entitled to from birth : food, water, shelter, basic clothing etc .. and to me Music is one of these things. Music is like Food for the Soul/Mind/Spirit yet we are made to pay for mostly poor representations of it that are sold like toothpaste in the superstore from Hell. Of course it'd be great to flip all of that by offering the industry my 'worth' ( whatever that is ) but I'm quite happy living relatively peacefully for the time being and giving the Embassy and the music to people as an example of how things could be in the hope that one day things will be that way. I've only had the site up for a couple of months and I understand fully if some sections are a bit freaky but I suppose I wanted to supply a range of things under music that other people might be interested in as well. Often music is separated from spirituality etc... so the Embassy aims to marry these things ( art/poetry/truth etc ) to give a more complete overview. Cheers, PB www.pbphonehome.com What a thoughtful, beautiful, mission. More importantly, a real vision of something besides ones self. Awesome. Thank you. I do tend to believe that its an artists obligation to serve others. Cheers. " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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Slave2daGroove said: sacredwarrior said: Slave2daGroove said: Yeah, then I follow the band wagon (so to speak)...
Some people... Hi Slave2daGroove, Hey I downloaded your track ... listening to it now - I can hear your unique voice in the guitar - cool stuff. ( I'm assuming thats you playing it ) Cheers PB Yes, it's me. Thanks for the feedback and I hope I didn't guilt you into it by jumping on a bandwagon in the beginning of the thread. I'm starting to get back into the music and will post here when something developes. Please do the same when you have anything new.  Look forward to hearing more of your stuff and I will definitely post anything new I record - working on a track now actually ... Peace. " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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sacredwarrior said: VinaBlue said: I really like what you are saying PB, and I totally dig your vibe. I remember when I took that one required Humanities 101 course and I was struck by the fact that in ancient times, everyone's talent and purpose was put to use. Everybody had their place, artists included. I forget what the term is for it, but the idea stuck with me. Some people were hunters, some were carpenters, painters, builders, artisans, musicians and I think everyone was paid equal. What a beautiful life that would be. As for music and spirituality combined... Have you read The Artist's Way by Julia Cameron? YES! What a great book. I remembered today that she said negativity and depression are merely a result of suppressed creativity - and this is SO true. Imagine how much time and money ( not to mention even further psychoses ) people would save from going to their shrink who sits their holding up wierd pictures to try and analyse their psyche if they knew this. Depressed? CREATE SOMETHING. lol. And yeah you've pretty much summised the idea of the New Earth Embassy with your words above about ALL of societies CREATORS getting paid by the 'government' to do their job. People's taxes would go toward funding these things instead of meals for prisoners, who, in turn, if they read The Artists Way might just find something to feel GOOD about in themselves - be rehabilitated LOVINGLY and put on the ARTISTS PAYROLL. LOL! And if anyone wants more than they really need in life by way of material things then by all means GO WORK YOUR BUTT OFF FOR IT at a privatised company but be prepared to do long hours. lol. CO-SIGN!  | |
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MaggotBrain said: VinaBlue said: Ok, enough spiritual talk. The guys are gonna think I'm Koo Koo.
Too late... Do you want to hear something funny? I almost became a Hindu at university, and even became a vegetarian for a year and a half...yeah, that bit was stupid, but the bit where Om (or Aum) is the fundamental vibration/sound of the universe and the first to be uttered during it's creation, I dig very much. For those of you who like religion to be based of the purist of philosophies, check out the Upanishads. A nice quote from one of the boooks I've just found on the web, "Om is the one eternal syllable of which all that exists is but the development. The past, the present, and the future are all included in this one sound, and all that exists beyond the three forms of time is also implied in it" Not eating potatoes because little soil-things get disturbed is just plain silly though... You know how in the Bible it says "In the beginning was the Word - and the Word was God' ? Well that Word they are referring to is the Sound OM. Dang Big G Mo Fo dun sang a note and created everything in all the universes of all the universes ever! And our Governments put musicians at the bottom of their economic pyramid and record companies bend us over to make their money ??? HOW LUDICROUS!! Imagine how cool its gonna be when the full weight of the Truth of this FACT that EVERYTHING EVER CREATED is MUSIC is absorbed and appreciated by those who need most to realise this ... The way I always saw it was like this : 'God' sang - then someone turned on the lights ... enter the beat ... the bass ... a melody ... a harmony ... major and minor ... resolve ... cycle. Music - its patterns - arrangement - chordal structures - grooves - all of it ... is like Nature - breathing in cycles - 'prone' to earthquakes when you turn up the subs, floods when you bring in that pad sound, fire when He plays the guitar, rain when the triangle sounds or the tamborine, wind when someone plays the flute ... music has everything contained within it if created in tune with that Zone we need to be in to sink into the OM. THEN we're fortunate enough to be able to SING over the top of it! We then take OM and PLAY WITH IT using words to take the listener into the depths of their hearts and minds by SPEAKING FOR THEM WHAT THEY CANNOT. As Artists we REFLECT their True Selves - that quiet place inside them that they lock away and keep a secret. As Artists we encourage them to express this part of themselves, heal it, enjoy it, celebrate it... Music is the Governing Politic of the New World - ' new ' only because it has never been fully recognised before as the source connection to the centre of ourselves and closest point of communion with the Creator OM. However Plato did say " Changes in Government are brought about by changes in music " - he knew that to affect mass consciousness toward change successfully it had to be done through Music. He knew that Music is the only artform that is also a SPIRITUAL FORCE. THAT is why its great that Prince got off his reclusive butt and decided to take his hits on the road ... Om... PB Isnt that amazing ... GOD IS A MUSICIAN!! lol. " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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However Plato did say " Changes in Government are brought about by changes in music " - he knew that to affect mass consciousness toward change successfully it had to be done through Music. He knew that Music is the only artform that is also a SPIRITUAL FORCE. --- I'm not so sure that Plato actually had it correct when he stated this. Perhaps he should have replaced the word 'Music' with 'Art'; to include ALL art forms. Music is NOT the only artform that encompasses a spiritual force. When I paint, I often times am taken completely over. The spirit manifests with the greatest of force, moving the brush with an inner energy derived from a fundamental hamrmonization with the very creative forces of nature itself. It has always amazed me how a blank white canvas can be transformed into depth, movement, espression, emotion...and SPIRIT. I find it all quite mystical and a science that few really understand. Albert Einstein said: “The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science.” Now obviously, Art also has a great affect on the masses, but hard to imagine too, 80,000 people in a stadium jumpin' up and down to a painting of Picasso's, however, perhaps today if Picasso, Monet, da Vinci, van Gogh were alive and did a live painting performance, perhaps you could fill the stadium. | |
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Red said: sacredwarrior said:
However Plato did say " Changes in Government are brought about by changes in music " - he knew that to affect mass consciousness toward change successfully it had to be done through Music. He knew that Music is the only artform that is also a SPIRITUAL FORCE. --- I'm not so sure that Plato actually had it correct when he stated this. Perhaps he should have replaced the word 'Music' with 'Art'; to include ALL art forms. Music is NOT the only artform that encompasses a spiritual force. When I paint, I often times am taken completely over. The spirit manifests with the greatest of force, moving the brush with an inner energy derived from a fundamental hamrmonization with the very creative forces of nature itself. It has always amazed me how a blank white canvas can be transformed into depth, movement, espression, emotion...and SPIRIT. I find it all quite mystical and a science that few really understand. Albert Einstein said: “The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science.” Now obviously, Art also has a great affect on the masses, but hard to imagine too, 80,000 people in a stadium jumpin' up and down to a painting of Picasso's, however, perhaps today if Picasso, Monet, da Vinci, van Gogh were alive and did a live painting performance, perhaps you could fill the stadium. I wondered the same thing myself when I saw that quote of Plato's. The answer I came up with - is that unlike other forms of art - Music MOVES AIR - CREATES RIPPLES IN SOUNDWAVES - TRAVELS ALONG INVISIBLE PATHWAYS CARRYING ITS MESSAGE - TO ANYONE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD. It Pulses - beeping out a kind of morse code - in this sense I understand Plato. Through the hearing senses - the brain is able to pick up the most subtle of frequencies - and if we are all made of soundwaves - then anything that enters our consciousness that is also sound - has the ability to effect our state of being at the most central core level of who we are. A person has to look at a painting to be moved by it. Paintings are alot like portals, but they dont MOVE AIR. When you stand in front of speakers you can feel the air moving as the sound comes out. I used to do a meditation where the guy used tibetan bowls as a healing method. He would hit them and make them ring - this altered the frequency of my body - gave it a 'tune up' so to speak. Music has been the only artform in history to bring about Revolutions. It's the only time people become united - when they hear a song that reflects how they really feel. It is present at all major cultural traditional ceremonies: celebrations, funerals, birthdays, weddings. For me - Music is the icing on the cake in this respect. People aren't having a good time generally until they get up and dance - or sing - let their hair down. I love all other artforms too - but I tend to agree with Plato - that music is a spiritual FORCE - meaning it PUSHES AND MOVES in ways we can't see with our physical eyes - operating in the worlds invisible - to affect the visible world - our hearts and minds - and UNIFIES us as One Race of World Citizens - connecting us at our core - proving that we are All in some way connected to each other in spirit. Look what happens at a Prince concert. Electricity. The hairs on your arms stand up. Your adrenalin rushes. You Are LIBERATED - Freed in those moments from worry and fear. Healed instantly of negativity and doubt. Music is by far the most incredibly powerful gift that we are gioven as human beings. It Saves. This is not so much about how it feels for the artist - but how it EFFECTS the listener/observer. Cheers PB http://www.pbphonehome.co...power.html www.pbphonehome.com " the embassy shut to keep the fools out " - as above, so below. | |
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Well stated Sacred. I agree with you in this respect.
But it would be sooo very difficult for me to choose over blindness or deftness; as anyone I'm sure. | |
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Red said: Well stated Sacred. I agree with you in this respect.
But it would be sooo very difficult for me to choose over blindness or deftness; as anyone I'm sure. I could live with being blind. I can't even allow myself to ponder the other option. | |
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