violetcrush said:

laurarichardson said:

Or Sheila E. According to Alan Leeds he took Susannah home to Minn from Paris. He returned to Paris and Sheila E was on the scene.

Susannah was discussing her early connection with Prince (1983) when she mentioned the woman who was upset about it, so it is most likely Jill Jones. She was sleeping with Prince - apparently along with Vanity and Susan Moonsie - during the 1999 tour. Prince had added her to the shows and she was a backup singer. Sheila was not in the mix at this point. In an extensive interview with JJ (Prince Podcast, I believe) she talks about the women (her, Vanity, Susan M) knowing about each other - "if one of us was missing on the tour bus we knew who Prince was with, but if we were all there then it was like, okay who is he with now?" She also referred to Wendy, Lisa and Susannah as the "plantation mistresses" who came in and took over. She did not state their names, but it was obvious she was referring to them.

Why would Devin D hate Susannah?? It seems she was the one who knew about Susannah prior to Susannah learning about her. In the interview I read with Devin D she stated Prince had called her to tell her that he wanted to see her. She replied, "aren't you living with someone?" Prince said, "yes, but I still miss you". She answered, "well, I miss you too, but I can't do that." Devin then confirmed the person Prince was living with was Susannah. Susannah was a smart cookie - like she said, she usually knew when Prince was not being monogamous - hence, the "off and on" nature of their relationship. He wanted her to be faithful, but the same rules did not apply to him.

Jill was a big part of the picture in 1983 - when Prince began having feelings for Susannah. She was in the band, performing in live shows, and in the videos (1999 and Automatic). She was sleeping with him. I imagine it was hard to lose his attention, and I wouldn't doubt she was upset about it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, I did read that Susan stepped out of the "harem" at a certain point. I read that she was dating Prince prior to when he first met Vanity, and Vanity was with Rick James at the time (1980). Prince and Vanity agreed to wait until they ended those attachments before becoming a "couple" - although, it seems Prince wanted to continue his relationship with Susan while dating Vanity.

Per Matt Thorne's book, and also Jill's statements - she met Prince while singing backup for Teena Marie. They were opening for Rick James along with Prince back in 79/80. When Prince left the Rick James tour he invited Jill to work for him at some point, and she left Teena Marie's camp. So that would have been just prior to, or at around the same time Lisa came into the fold.

If you listen to the lyrics of "Forever In My Life" Prince acknowledges juggling many women at one time - "juggling hearts in a three-ring circus, someday drive a body down to the ground". I think his actions spoke more than his lyrics as it seems he never stopped juggling for too long

Yep, Susan out of Vanity & Jill came from a more solid family background. I think that had a lot to do with her being able to remove herself from the Uptown harem and then go get a college education and start a family afterwards.

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Yep Jill met him on the Fire It Up tour. But she didn't come into the camp until sometime in 81. Then started doing session work for Prince on the What Time Is It? Hookers(Vanity 6) 1999 music.

She wasn't on the Controversy or the Time album music.

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Yep 'juggling hearts in a 3 ring circus'. That is such a great line though lol

Yes, just love that song! He really was so open with his lyrics, and really did communicate through them. Heartbreaking song though, as it seems he really did want to be with her and try to make it work. Funny, they talk about Prince's unorthodox proposal in the interview, but I look at this song as a very heartfelt proposal - or a plea when he realized it might be too late

purplerabbithole said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, this story was told by Prince long before Mayte was in his life. He first told this story years ago to Jon Bream, the MN journalist who had been interviewing him since his start in the business. He felt comfortable with Jon, and talked more to him in the beginning than any other journalist. He told him his step father forced him to stay in his room - not a closet - for a period of several months. He said this was when he focused on learning to play instruments - although, it could have only been the guitar, because he would not have had a piano or drums there. Much later, Jon Bream asked Prince again about that story, and Prince told him it was true.

However, in his song Papa, the lyrics refer to him being forced into a closet by his Father as a young child as punishment for throwing rocks outside - in addition to being smacked several times while he begs him to stop.

I am not confusing the closet story with the the room story.they are two different things, and I believe Mayte wrote about him telling her about it. Maybe she got it from the song or maybe he told her first and then wrote it in a song. [Edited 2/21/18 8:42am]

Yes, that could be, because he wrote the song Papa in the early/mid 90's. Either he told her the story, or she learned it from the song

eugenius said:

A whole lot more revisionist history in this interview. Besides the Joni Mitchell bit, another "fib" she tells is when she says she and Prince were at their peak in terms of being in love during the Under the Cherry Moon movie production, yet it's documented in Alex Hahn's book that Prince had Alan Leed fly her back to the US while he was chasing French tail in Nice.

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According to Leeds, Prince told him to fly Susannah back to his Minneapolis home the day they landed in Nice for Under the Cherry Moon preproduction. Prince also told Leeds, "I don't want her going to LA and crying on Wendy and Lisa's shoulders."

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Edited to ask how the hell did Susannah and Prince watch "In Living Color" on TV (the 45-minute mark in the interview when "In Living Color" debuted in 1990 and she and Prince broke up in 1986. According to Karen Krattiger, Prince told her to stick Susannah in an apartment after he kicked her out of his home in the fall of 1986 after only a few months of living with her.

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By 1990 when "In Living Color" debuted, Prince was already dating Kim Bassanger, among others, and he met Mayte in July 1990 so Susanah is full of shit. She's desperate rewrite her role while being nothing more than one of a long line of women that Prince was infatuated with for a bit, then returned for a newer, younger model (model being figuratively and literally).

[Edited 2/15/18 11:13am]

Actually, it is clear that Prince continued a relationship with Susannah well past the '87 mark. It is very possible they still spent some time together in 1990 - even if just as friends. As Susannah stated, people don't understand that he often wanted friendship more than f***ing. Prince's affair with Kim Basinger was over by early 1990. She left PP abruptly while he was gone. It has been documented she was with him for about 6 months. Prince only MET Mayte in 1990, when her Mother figured out a way to get her dancing video to Prince at one of his concerts. She did not move to MN until much later. They wrote letters to each other prior to her moving there. I believe I read she arrived in 1992.

Susannah's information about Prince contacting and asking to see her in '93, and also her hand written note from him in the 94/95 time frame clearly demonstrates their ongoing connection - which doesn't have to mean it was physical.

I believe her remarks - she has no reason to lie about it. More importantly, she was the one who actually knew and was close to him for many years - not us.

violetcrush said:

violetcrush said:

Susannah was discussing her early connection with Prince (1983) when she mentioned the woman who was upset about it, so it is most likely Jill Jones. She was sleeping with Prince - apparently along with Vanity and Susan Moonsie - during the 1999 tour. Prince had added her to the shows and she was a backup singer. Sheila was not in the mix at this point. In an extensive interview with JJ (Prince Podcast, I believe) she talks about the women (her, Vanity, Susan M) knowing about each other - "if one of us was missing on the tour bus we knew who Prince was with, but if we were all there then it was like, okay who is he with now?" She also referred to Wendy, Lisa and Susannah as the "plantation mistresses" who came in and took over. She did not state their names, but it was obvious she was referring to them.

Why would Devin D hate Susannah?? It seems she was the one who knew about Susannah prior to Susannah learning about her. In the interview I read with Devin D she stated Prince had called her to tell her that he wanted to see her. She replied, "aren't you living with someone?" Prince said, "yes, but I still miss you". She answered, "well, I miss you too, but I can't do that." Devin then confirmed the person Prince was living with was Susannah. Susannah was a smart cookie - like she said, she usually knew when Prince was not being monogamous - hence, the "off and on" nature of their relationship. He wanted her to be faithful, but the same rules did not apply to him.

Jill was a big part of the picture in 1983 - when Prince began having feelings for Susannah. She was in the band, performing in live shows, and in the videos (1999 and Automatic). She was sleeping with him. I imagine it was hard to lose his attention, and I wouldn't doubt she was upset about it.

I read that Devin, admired Wendy & Lisa etc and wanted to meet them but Prince wouldn't allow it.

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yep, Susan out of Vanity & Jill came from a more solid family background. I think that had a lot to do with her being able to remove herself from the Uptown harem and then go get a college education and start a family afterwards.

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Yep Jill met him on the Fire It Up tour. But she didn't come into the camp until sometime in 81. Then started doing session work for Prince on the What Time Is It? Hookers(Vanity 6) 1999 music.

She wasn't on the Controversy or the Time album music.

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Yep 'juggling hearts in a 3 ring circus'. That is such a great line though lol

Yes, just love that song! He really was so open with his lyrics, and really did communicate through them. Heartbreaking song though, as it seems he really did want to be with her and try to make it work. Funny, they talk about Prince's unorthodox proposal in the interview, but I look at this song as a very heartfelt proposal - or a plea when he realized it might be too late

Yes, That one was recorded early August 1986 I believe, that song Forever In My Life always takes me back to his earlier demos for some reason. The simplicity of it.

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She talked about when he asked her to listen to Adore, I see that one as a last plea. Whether it was intended for her or she was partially inspiration.

Strawberrylova123 said:

Of course the mods moved this "eyeroll"

Hey Strawberrylova123, this is the most traffic and action this forum has received in a looooong time lol

80tomato said:

That marriage proposal seemed like a consolation prize for not being in the film ...regardless of how big the ring was...almost like he never really meant it especially since there was no discussion of a marriage ...just how it came across to me.

Igot the same feeling about the Sheila E proposal...in the spur of the moment

Actually I think it was almost like a religious reaction.

Prince having an epiphany about LOVE (Christopher Tracy)

and singing more about it in that 1984-1986 period in a matrimonial way

I think he really did believe the right thing to do was marry her.

Susannah said that about wanting friendship more than FVCking????...Damn, I really always suspected that. People think I am naive but I don't think he fvcked every woman he had a relationship especially later in life. I think he flirted a lot, mentored, and hung out with a lot and sometimes it led to physical intimacy (probably a lot more often when he was younger), but he might have been emotionally a bit unfaithful in most of his female/male relationships. Sharing him emotionally or personally would probably be as hard as sharing him in a physical sense. He was such a compartmentalized man who seemed to want intimacy but only in ways in which he could feel in the control of the situation..(I don't mean that necessarily in the sense of controlling the women's personalities, opinion, clothes in all cases [this was different and to different degrees from woman to woman]..sometimes I just mean controlling what they were to know about him, controlling the terms of the relationship and always having someone around due to his abandonment issues). This is why I disagree with Laura that Prince was merely carrying on a male tradition of pimplike womanizing common in NOrth Minneapolis. I think it was a bit deeper, more lonely, and sadder than that. IMO...I also think its possible that Andy Allo was a more free-spirited and sexually-free woman as she got older (which probably was both appealing and a bit unsettling to him at the same time.)

violetcrush said:

eugenius said:

A whole lot more revisionist history in this interview. Besides the Joni Mitchell bit, another "fib" she tells is when she says she and Prince were at their peak in terms of being in love during the Under the Cherry Moon movie production, yet it's documented in Alex Hahn's book that Prince had Alan Leed fly her back to the US while he was chasing French tail in Nice.

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According to Leeds, Prince told him to fly Susannah back to his Minneapolis home the day they landed in Nice for Under the Cherry Moon preproduction. Prince also told Leeds, "I don't want her going to LA and crying on Wendy and Lisa's shoulders."

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Edited to ask how the hell did Susannah and Prince watch "In Living Color" on TV (the 45-minute mark in the interview when "In Living Color" debuted in 1990 and she and Prince broke up in 1986. According to Karen Krattiger, Prince told her to stick Susannah in an apartment after he kicked her out of his home in the fall of 1986 after only a few months of living with her.

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By 1990 when "In Living Color" debuted, Prince was already dating Kim Bassanger, among others, and he met Mayte in July 1990 so Susanah is full of shit. She's desperate rewrite her role while being nothing more than one of a long line of women that Prince was infatuated with for a bit, then returned for a newer, younger model (model being figuratively and literally).

[Edited 2/15/18 11:13am]

Actually, it is clear that Prince continued a relationship with Susannah well past the '87 mark. It is very possible they still spent some time together in 1990 - even if just as friends. As Susannah stated, people don't understand that he often wanted friendship more than f***ing. Prince's affair with Kim Basinger was over by early 1990. She left PP abruptly while he was gone. It has been documented she was with him for about 6 months. Prince only MET Mayte in 1990, when her Mother figured out a way to get her dancing video to Prince at one of his concerts. She did not move to MN until much later. They wrote letters to each other prior to her moving there. I believe I read she arrived in 1992.

Susannah's information about Prince contacting and asking to see her in '93, and also her hand written note from him in the 94/95 time frame clearly demonstrates their ongoing connection - which doesn't have to mean it was physical.

I believe her remarks - she has no reason to lie about it. More importantly, she was the one who actually knew and was close to him for many years - not us.

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

Why would Devin D hate Susannah?? It seems she was the one who knew about Susannah prior to Susannah learning about her. In the interview I read with Devin D she stated Prince had called her to tell her that he wanted to see her. She replied, "aren't you living with someone?" Prince said, "yes, but I still miss you". She answered, "well, I miss you too, but I can't do that." Devin then confirmed the person Prince was living with was Susannah. Susannah was a smart cookie - like she said, she usually knew when Prince was not being monogamous - hence, the "off and on" nature of their relationship. He wanted her to be faithful, but the same rules did not apply to him.

Jill was a big part of the picture in 1983 - when Prince began having feelings for Susannah. She was in the band, performing in live shows, and in the videos (1999 and Automatic). She was sleeping with him. I imagine it was hard to lose his attention, and I wouldn't doubt she was upset about it.

I read that Devin, admired Wendy & Lisa etc and wanted to meet them but Prince wouldn't allow it.

Yes, she said in her interview that he would not have her speak to anyone in the band or his inner circle. She was escorted to the PR concerts along with another Playboy model by his Father - I guess as if she was attending as his Father's date? He was a slick operator, or at least he tried to be! Also, interestingly, Cat Glover mentioned in an interview a few years back that she met Prince while hanging out with Devin D. Devin invited her to a dinner at Prince's place in LA. I believe this was post Revolution, just prior to SOTT release and tour.

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

Yes, just love that song! He really was so open with his lyrics, and really did communicate through them. Heartbreaking song though, as it seems he really did want to be with her and try to make it work. Funny, they talk about Prince's unorthodox proposal in the interview, but I look at this song as a very heartfelt proposal - or a plea when he realized it might be too late

Yes, That one was recorded early August 1986 I believe, that song Forever In My Life always takes me back to his earlier demos for some reason. The simplicity of it.

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She talked about when he asked her to listen to Adore, I see that one as a last plea. Whether it was intended for her or she was partially inspiration.

I agree. Prince stated in the Crystal Ball liner notes that he replaced Crucial with Adore on SOTT. It was the last song to be done for the album. Interestingly, he uses the word crucial in the lyrics to Adore. I like Crucial, but Adore has a lot more meat to it, and the lyrics are more meaningful

purplerabbithole said:

Susannah said that about wanting friendship more than FVCking????...Damn, I really always suspected that. People think I am naive but I don't think he fvcked every woman he had a relationship especially later in life. I think he flirted a lot, mentored, and hung out with a lot and sometimes it led to physical intimacy (probably a lot more often when he was younger), but he might have been emotionally a bit unfaithful in most of his female/male relationships. Sharing him emotionally or personally would probably be as hard as sharing him in a physical sense. He was such a compartmentalized man who seemed to want intimacy but only in ways in which he could feel in the control of the situation..(I don't mean that necessarily in the sense of controlling the women's personalities, opinion, clothes in all cases [this was different and to different degrees from woman to woman]..sometimes I just mean controlling what they were to know about him, controlling the terms of the relationship and always having someone around due to his abandonment issues). This is why I disagree with Laura that Prince was merely carrying on a male tradition of pimplike womanizing common in NOrth Minneapolis. I think it was a bit deeper, more lonely, and sadder than that. IMO...I also think its possible that Andy Allo was a more free-spirited and sexually-free woman as she got older (which probably was both appealing and a bit unsettling to him at the same time.)

violetcrush said:

Actually, it is clear that Prince continued a relationship with Susannah well past the '87 mark. It is very possible they still spent some time together in 1990 - even if just as friends. As Susannah stated, people don't understand that he often wanted friendship more than f***ing. Prince's affair with Kim Basinger was over by early 1990. She left PP abruptly while he was gone. It has been documented she was with him for about 6 months. Prince only MET Mayte in 1990, when her Mother figured out a way to get her dancing video to Prince at one of his concerts. She did not move to MN until much later. They wrote letters to each other prior to her moving there. I believe I read she arrived in 1992.

Susannah's information about Prince contacting and asking to see her in '93, and also her hand written note from him in the 94/95 time frame clearly demonstrates their ongoing connection - which doesn't have to mean it was physical.

I believe her remarks - she has no reason to lie about it. More importantly, she was the one who actually knew and was close to him for many years - not us.

I agree with your ideas. Yes, Susannah stated it was not always about "f***king" with Prince. He craved closeness and companionship in other ways - hugging, laying together, etc. Of course, it seems that is not the side he wanted the public to see. Many of his unreleased songs, or songs he gave to other artists, are the more vulnerable love songs - vs. songs like Sexy MF, Get Off, Insatiable, 319 etc. That sexy, macho persona was put out for the fans - and probably some of his female conquests

OldFriends4Sale said:

80tomato said:

That marriage proposal seemed like a consolation prize for not being in the film ...regardless of how big the ring was...almost like he never really meant it especially since there was no discussion of a marriage ...just how it came across to me.

Igot the same feeling about the Sheila E proposal...in the spur of the moment

Actually I think it was almost like a religious reaction.

Prince having an epiphany about LOVE (Christopher Tracy)

and singing more about it in that 1984-1986 period in a matrimonial way

I think he really did believe the right thing to do was marry her.

I don't think it was a consolation prize for not doing the film, and I don't think he did it because he thought it was the right thing to do. Prince did whatever he wanted to do, especially at that time. It seems to me he went through quite a bit of effort - recording Empty Room, arranging with the jeweler ahead of time and picking the SIX carat ring, flying Susannah to NYC, sending her the wordplay note cards at some point after that, and then asking her to be his wife on the balcony of the hotel overlooking the Arc de Triomphe in Paris. Not too shabby in my opinion! I think he was worried about losing her, and wanted to present her with this show of committment. But, then again, only Prince knows what he was actually thinking at that time.

....and Jerome - Jerome may know what Prince was thinking at that time, as it seems he was his "wingman" and close friend. Just depends on how open Prince was about his relationships.

[Edited 2/21/18 17:38pm]

purplerabbithole said:

theplejades said:

Very interesting interview. Thanks for posting.

Two things I noticed:

Sometimes it snows in April was written 21 April 1985 and not on 21 April 1986 like she said.

How could Prince be introduced to Joni Mitchells Music by the Melvoins when he already wrote "Joni" on the cover of the Controversy Album? He already knew about Joni long before he met them.

I do think Prince knew about Joni prior to meeting Lisa; however, Lisa joined the band prior to Dirty Mind, so she had been there quite a while before Controversy was released. I think Susannah just included Joni with the comment about Jazz and Classical music by mistake.

Also, I think her comment about Sometimes It Snows In April was to emphasize the date more than the year. I'm sure it's easy to get those years mixed with all that was going on at the time.

I can't even recall details of my life one month ago, let alone 30 years ago!!

Strawberrylova123 said:

purplerabbithole said:

Susannah said that about wanting friendship more than FVCking????...Damn, I really always suspected that. People think I am naive but I don't think he fvcked every woman he had a relationship especially later in life. I think he flirted a lot, mentored, and hung out with a lot and sometimes it led to physical intimacy (probably a lot more often when he was younger), but he might have been emotionally a bit unfaithful in most of his female/male relationships. Sharing him emotionally or personally would probably be as hard as sharing him in a physical sense. He was such a compartmentalized man who seemed to want intimacy but only in ways in which he could feel in the control of the situation..(I don't mean that necessarily in the sense of controlling the women's personalities, opinion, clothes in all cases [this was different and to different degrees from woman to woman]..sometimes I just mean controlling what they were to know about him, controlling the terms of the relationship and always having someone around due to his abandonment issues). This is why I disagree with Laura that Prince was merely carrying on a male tradition of pimplike womanizing common in NOrth Minneapolis. I think it was a bit deeper, more lonely, and sadder than that. IMO...I also think its possible that Andy Allo was a more free-spirited and sexually-free woman as she got older (which probably was both appealing and a bit unsettling to him at the same time.)

In the interview she didn't say wanting a friendship more than fucking, she said that there was more to the relationship than that. He liked to cuddle wearing his tubesocks while watching a movie [Edited 2/21/18 18:01pm] [Edited 2/21/18 18:06pm]

Semantics.....that is what I meant. I said she stated it wasn't JUST about "f***king" in their relationship - that he often wanted other types of affection and intimacy, such as hugging, cuddling, etc. Hence, her comment about wrapping his legs around hers, and his wearing tube socks to bed.

**Strawberrylova - disregard my comment...thought you were responding to my earlier comment. The replies get confusing on this site!

[Edited 2/21/18 18:31pm]

violetcrush said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

violetcrush said:

Semantics.....that is what I meant. I said she stated it wasn't JUST about "f***king" in their relationship - that he often wanted other types of affection and intimacy, such as hugging, cuddling, etc. Hence, her comment about wrapping his legs around hers, and his wearing tube socks to bed.

This wasn't a reply to u but 2 purplerabbithole

Yes, sorry!! Just tried to edit my reply. The threads get very confusing on this site!

purplerabbithole said:

Susannah said that about wanting friendship more than FVCking????...Damn, I really always suspected that. People think I am naive but I don't think he fvcked every woman he had a relationship especially later in life. I think he flirted a lot, mentored, and hung out with a lot and sometimes it led to physical intimacy (probably a lot more often when he was younger), but he might have been emotionally a bit unfaithful in most of his female/male relationships. Sharing him emotionally or personally would probably be as hard as sharing him in a physical sense. He was such a compartmentalized man who seemed to want intimacy but only in ways in which he could feel in the control of the situation..(I don't mean that necessarily in the sense of controlling the women's personalities, opinion, clothes in all cases [this was different and to different degrees from woman to woman]..sometimes I just mean controlling what they were to know about him, controlling the terms of the relationship and always having someone around due to his abandonment issues). This is why I disagree with Laura that Prince was merely carrying on a male tradition of pimplike womanizing common in NOrth Minneapolis. I think it was a bit deeper, more lonely, and sadder than that. IMO...I also think its possible that Andy Allo was a more free-spirited and sexually-free woman as she got older (which probably was both appealing and a bit unsettling to him at the same time.)

violetcrush said:

Actually, it is clear that Prince continued a relationship with Susannah well past the '87 mark. It is very possible they still spent some time together in 1990 - even if just as friends. As Susannah stated, people don't understand that he often wanted friendship more than f***ing. Prince's affair with Kim Basinger was over by early 1990. She left PP abruptly while he was gone. It has been documented she was with him for about 6 months. Prince only MET Mayte in 1990, when her Mother figured out a way to get her dancing video to Prince at one of his concerts. She did not move to MN until much later. They wrote letters to each other prior to her moving there. I believe I read she arrived in 1992.

Susannah's information about Prince contacting and asking to see her in '93, and also her hand written note from him in the 94/95 time frame clearly demonstrates their ongoing connection - which doesn't have to mean it was physical.

I believe her remarks - she has no reason to lie about it. More importantly, she was the one who actually knew and was close to him for many years - not us.

Purplerabbithole - even though Prince wanted both physical and friendship with Susannah, I do think you are correct regarding the fact that many of his relationships with other women were not sexual. Per Toure's book, he also liked to bathe women, without sex involved. A fetish, I guess?

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Actually I think it was almost like a religious reaction.

Prince having an epiphany about LOVE (Christopher Tracy)

and singing more about it in that 1984-1986 period in a matrimonial way

I think he really did believe the right thing to do was marry her.

I don't think it was a consolation prize for not doing the film, and I don't think he did it because he thought it was the right thing to do. Prince did whatever he wanted to do, especially at that time. It seems to me he went through quite a bit of effort - recording Empty Room, arranging with the jeweler ahead of time and picking the SIX carat ring, flying Susannah to NYC, sending her the wordplay note cards at some point after that, and then asking her to be his wife on the balcony of the hotel overlooking the Arc de Triomphe in Paris. Not too shabby in my opinion! I think he was worried about losing her, and wanted to present her with this show of committment. But, then again, only Prince knows what he was actually thinking at that time.

....and Jerome - Jerome may know what Prince was thinking at that time, as it seems he was his "wingman" and close friend. Just depends on how open Prince was about his relationships.

[Edited 2/21/18 17:38pm]

No I don't think it was a consolation prize. She had a part it creating scenes with Prince for the movie.

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Well I think 'it is the right thing to do' is also a 'do whatever he wanted to do' thing. I don't mean marry her by force or anything. I mean look at the songs he was writing, a lot about marriage and that time period Prince said he 'needed community' that they were a community for him. Which suggests family. Prince's father was interconnected with Prince's people during that period. And if you even look at the people in the camp. Almost everyone was related somehow, whether family or friends from growing up. So I think the atmospher for marriage was there. And on top of that people were married/getting married and having kids.

I think he did want to be married to her. But just not 100% committed to it of course.

violetcrush said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I read that Devin, admired Wendy & Lisa etc and wanted to meet them but Prince wouldn't allow it.

Yes, she said in her interview that he would not have her speak to anyone in the band or his inner circle. She was escorted to the PR concerts along with another Playboy model by his Father - I guess as if she was attending as his Father's date? He was a slick operator, or at least he tried to be! Also, interestingly, Cat Glover mentioned in an interview a few years back that she met Prince while hanging out with Devin D. Devin invited her to a dinner at Prince's place in LA. I believe this was post Revolution, just prior to SOTT release and tour.

Yes, it was a party in December 1986 that Devin brought Cat to a party (It could have been Sheila E's Birthday Party) Interestingly the last song Susannah recorded with Prince was Le Grind in December 10th(I think there is one other she recorded after this date though) and that is the month she finally broke it off with Prince and left.

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violetcrush said:

Per Toure's book, he also liked to bathe women, without sex involved. A fetish, I guess?

It's what Vanity used to do with him.

violetcrush said:

laurarichardson said:

violetcrush said:

Purplerabbithole - even though Prince wanted both physical and friendship with Susannah, I do think you are correct regarding the fact that many of his relationships with other women were not sexual. Per Toure's book, he also liked to bathe women, without sex involved. A fetish, I guess?

He liked looking at naked women since when is that a fetish for men. According to Devin he spent a lot of time having sex with her.

Because that's probably all she had to offer...

The bathing would also happen in the dark, so it was not a simple "He liked to look at naked women".

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

I don't think it was a consolation prize for not doing the film, and I don't think he did it because he thought it was the right thing to do. Prince did whatever he wanted to do, especially at that time. It seems to me he went through quite a bit of effort - recording Empty Room, arranging with the jeweler ahead of time and picking the SIX carat ring, flying Susannah to NYC, sending her the wordplay note cards at some point after that, and then asking her to be his wife on the balcony of the hotel overlooking the Arc de Triomphe in Paris. Not too shabby in my opinion! I think he was worried about losing her, and wanted to present her with this show of committment. But, then again, only Prince knows what he was actually thinking at that time.

....and Jerome - Jerome may know what Prince was thinking at that time, as it seems he was his "wingman" and close friend. Just depends on how open Prince was about his relationships.

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No I don't think it was a consolation prize. She had a part it creating scenes with Prince for the movie.

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Well I think 'it is the right thing to do' is also a 'do whatever he wanted to do' thing. I don't mean marry her by force or anything. I mean look at the songs he was writing, a lot about marriage and that time period Prince said he 'needed community' that they were a community for him. Which suggests family. Prince's father was interconnected with Prince's people during that period. And if you even look at the people in the camp. Almost everyone was related somehow, whether family or friends from growing up. So I think the atmospher for marriage was there. And on top of that people were married/getting married and having kids.

I think he did want to be married to her. But just not 100% committed to it of course.

Yes, it has been said by many in his camp that Prince hated when people in his inner circle left him. However, it seems it was often his quirky behaviors (need for control, difficulty communicating, mood swings) which caused their departures. You're right, he was at that age when guys typically start thinking about settling down, but I think he was till young enough to dismiss that if he was not really feeling the love. I actually think your assessment rings true more with Mayte than Susannah, based on things I have recently read. He was mid 30's at that point, and she was pregnant - his age, Christian beliefs, and "do the right thing" mind set would fit with that situation....but that's another chat topic altogether!

CatB said:

laurarichardson said:

violetcrush said: He liked looking at naked women since when is that a fetish for men. According to Devin he spent a lot of time having sex with her.

Because that's probably all she had to offer...

The bathing would also happen in the dark, so it was not a simple "He liked to look at naked women".

CatB, exactly. Devin was most likely a sex escape for him. If it was deeper for him he would have had an actual relationship with her.

Laurarichardson: Of course he liked looking at naked women, but the bathing was a ritual. He would wash them, comb their hair, apply lotion, etc, and then send them home. I look at that as more of a fetish thing, but of course, it's all a matter of opinion.

I seem to remember an interview JJ did in 2016 where she implied P "had " to propose to Susannah ...The way JJ said it implied to me that he had told JJ before hand he was going to propose and had to do it because her Dad was important in the music biz or for some other business reason .But again , what he tokd JJ isn't necessarily the truth nor my interpretation

80tomato said:

I seem to remember an interview JJ did in 2016 where she implied P "had " to propose to Susannah ...The way JJ said it implied to me that he had told JJ before hand he was going to propose and had to do it because her Dad was important in the music biz or for some other business reason .But again , what he tokd JJ isn't necessarily the truth nor my interpretation

I looked at that 2 ways.

1. At that point, JJ saying anything about Susannah is corrupt. Intentions are clear. If Prince said that she made it fom her perspective.

2. Maybe if Prince said that to her, he was trying to hint to her, it is over or maybe over etc