I've seen a number of people post their art/music/poetry in this forum, and all too often they either get no response at all, or they just get a few short words (however, there are some who go beyond these confines, and I'm personally grateful that they do); I also know the feeling of frustration that comes from posting art that is significant to me, only to be met with the sound of cricket's chirping. It occurs to me that one of the reasons for this may be because people don't know how to respond critically to other's artwork.

One of my classes this semester is Humanities, and one of our in-class assignments was to evaluate a collage and/or a poem that was handed out, and along with either work came some guidelines for practicing critical evaluation. I'd like to share them with the org, in the hopes that this will become a valuable tool for those who would like to know how:

Practicing Critical Evaluation:

1. Don't jump to any conclusions! (Put aside instinctive, emotional responses and forget how the piece relates only to you.)

2. Describe the work of art as clearly and objectively as possible. (Identify the work, its pertinent elements., etc.)

3. Look at the poet/artist's craft and offer an informed opinion. (Analyze and evaluate the piece in its proper context.)

4. Offer your own assessment of the work of art: does it hold any personal value for you? Is it relevant to us today?

I agree with you; I have feather of not dominating English better to explain to you the sense of the filmings collected in aprés SS (serafim saudade); but I can say that to the date still nobody had asked because the existence of this group of collected clips and reason this colectanea; if you want to ask I later try to explain; I have taste in doing: thank you for your intervention; it is very pertinent

Making this a sticky

Eaglebear, thank you so much for that post. It needed to be said. I haven't been in this forum as much as I used to, but will visit it more often now and check out the work of the artists/poets on this forum and give my input.
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luv4u said:

Thank you! Being informed is so

On the videoclip IMPERMANENCE:

luv4u said:
Is this your work of art or some youtubbie thing?

ingamilo said:
I answered that yes, that work is mine. But I asked if you like, and you don't answer; why?
[Edited 2/19/09 16:51pm]

you are a moderator: you have to give the example...you're response is required;
[Edited 2/24/09 6:01am]

luv4u said:

Its ok to change your mind


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ingamilo said:

that's jumping to a conclusion right there!

I have a conclusion,,, taaaaadahhhh


Maybe we could have a permanent sticky where we can request to have
posts made into stickies, be it your own or someone elses....

2 week limit with extension for activity and interest

and if people on "this forum" agree or have no cause
for it not to be a sticky then a sticky it should be.....

as for guidelines on how
to respond to peoples work.....

i dont wish to be colonized.....
to me.. its like reverse harassment

if people want feedback in the style above.....
let them have it on there signature....

its not easy being me.....


ding...

i fixed a typo.... ding...
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what about scoring to save time typing
coz everyone is so busy these days....

1 your on the road

2 thats a nice detour

3 We all gotta start somewhere

4 I'm gonna have to slap myself for clicking on that

5 I need someone else to slap me for clicking on that...

6 Why didnt you slap me before i clicked on that.

7 enough with the slap make it a sticky..


would anyone like to comment?

you don't "score" art, in my opinion.

there shouldn't be any grade given, there should be open and honest discourse between artist and audience

I so agree with you sammij

but some people like to be rewarded in the old competitive way....
a good artist should always be open to the limitations of other...

If i drew a painting and some one said thats sheeeit.....
my answer would be "yes it is"
but can you tell if its human or animal sheeeeit.....

sammij said:

and just to complete the picture.....

lets have a look at how the intitial post relates to the poster


http://prince.org/msg/15/297920

http://prince.org/msg/15/297920


come on eaglebear4839 i have to ask
how do you expect to get what you want
if your just taking and not giving..... ?

I dont mind looking like the bad guy
for pointing this stuff out.... coz
i do have faith that people really do
want better people in the world today.....

for starters....
People really need to look up the word - community

I'm such a treat arn i.....

PointlesspinS said:

[Snip - luv4u]

This forum was founded to give constructive feedback to original creative works. I think your suggestion fits well...

Is it the only way? not at all


The way I see it is simple, without much grey areas.

If someone takes the time to try to help you get better with your art, that's a gift from human being to human being. People come here from all over the world at various level of ability and skill.

If you think you no more than them or somehow are above them in art,
at least repsect the gift of their time, take it with a grain of salt and move on.

Just have respect and you will get respect.
Don't have respect and you will get no respect.

I agree with Slave2daGroove

Slave2daGroove said:

considering art is purely subjective...
I agree with this
on the money as always Slave

Slave2daGroove said:

And the doubt about the originality where is? where is the artistic creation: in the understanding of the work or in her representation? we can just dominate well the instruments and being a terrible artist.... but the respect for the human condition has to be horizontal and common to all: spectator or creator.
in my opinion, it is not just treated of lost time; we can always be therapists or artists, or art as therapy: the problem continues to be the artists' navel; worse: the critics' navel; the best is be always cordial, and above all humble: if it doesn't interest you a theme, it ignores; but if you put him in cause, you have to be humble, same if the position seems superiority being...the problem continues to be the virtuosity, and the narcissism of the ones that does and they forget three fundamental subjects: to do for who? for something and reason? the art should not just be aesthetics.... she was always in first place politics!!!forget the navel friends and we can continue to speak, same not dominating the instruments, be them the language, the strings or the blow.... good night! be happy
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[Edited 3/5/09 17:51pm]

Its not like it used to be....

Who am I?

No one....





J-

Styles said:

PointlesspinS said:

Well, no one is going to force you to offer a pre-thought-out point of view - I just wanted to make that option available for those who may have wanted to comment but didn't know how.

ingamilo said:

wha????? I see your point, but I don't see your point. Artists in this community are not posting their material to hear themselves talk or see themselves create. Just like a flower, an artist needs watering and nurturing - ignoring a idea is as bad as killing it sometimes.

eaglebear4839 said:

Not true...
Shakespeare said it best
To thine own self be true...
thats why I don't really feel the need to showcase my work here sometimes
Because I'm honestly not going to listen to any criticisms a person has to make on my art. Unless it's on a production type of thing.
if you have a set vision, criticism can only kill

What art and where?

Slave2daGroove said:

Not so fast - how am I to appreciate the gift of someone's time who bases their opinion on reaction, not response - a hint - the former implies an impulse (and is not really even enough to be considered a Dionysian response), and the latter implies that they've thought before they have spoken. Using the criteria that I posted makes it so you HAVE to give an informed opinion - and so that others will be able to tell whether or not you've done your homework beforehand. Sorry, but if you like to just write knee-jerk reactions, then the iTunes reviews boards are the place for you, but do we really need that here?

U TELL EM SLAVETHANG. Belated congrats on your marriage btw. BIG HUG.
Have been busy; haven't really spent time in here of late...but now that the entertainment biz is... a little on the skids shall we say...I'll be stopping by.
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EmbattledWarrior said:

On the one hand, I think this is counter-intuitive - not the being true to yourself part, but the not posting any work here cuz you don't listen to criticism - Prince and other artists can manage to avoid reviews because they have achieved the appropriate status - we mere mortals, however, need to have people tell us things they feel about our work - some choose to do this in a constructive way, others, well...

On the one hand, I posted these guidelines here for artists just like you and me - I want to shift the focus away from the snap judgments and reactions, and move it towards discussion about production aspects. I want to take the game to a new level, in other words. And I think if there were more people interested in asking about the production aspects, then maybe you might share your work with us after all.