Drummers and musicians in general, check out Mike Mangini's solo performance.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xsv8Z6QER8I

Its pretty good. I like his independent syncopation (where the foot is doing 4/4, one hand is doing 3/4 and the other is maybe doing 5/4, tripelets or some other thing) He is fast and he's got a lil showmanship, with the wiping his brow with the magazines.

However, I still think John Blackwell is better.

Check this clip:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...HKlT3QluiU


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so far..... thats probably one of the most musical drummers I've ever heard....

then again... I dont get out much.....

thanks for the introduction....
[Edited 9/3/06 23:03pm]

I enjoyed, as did the drummer apparently....his facial expressions
are priceless...

I got bored after 20 seconds...I hate drum solos...

Sounds ALOT like Sheila E

Man's Got Crazy foot!

theSpark said:

Even with the mistake at the end, I'd agree with this statement. I'm used to drummers that take you down a road of various rhythms but if they look bored the road came to an end for me.

check out drummer Virgil Donati...
http://www.youtube.com/wa...7ssXMpT5IQ

http://www.youtube.com/wa...rum%20Solo

This is perfect example....

Virgil makes drumming look like a chore
rather than a pleasure, or fun..... and all
that "hard work" just sounds like noise....

Where's the music Virgil.... ????

groovyiau said:

I really need to disagree with you, he is a very in demand drummer(Steve Vai,Planet X http://www.virgildonati.c...graphy.php etc...looks to me like he's having a great time and it is very easy for him, he's done his homework ala Buddy Rich,Tony Williams,Terry Bozzio etc...I also think it is very well improvised and and highly musical...



From Wikipedia,


Virgil Donati is a drummer currently playing in the band Planet X, though he has many side projects.

He is considered to be one of the most skilled drummers in the world and is a master of polyrhythms and odd time signatures. He has achieved incredible speed and accuracy at drumming, he is perhaps most well known for his fast double kicking and his unique technique on the bass drum. He holds the drum sticks in the traditional style and is also quite proficient at the keyboard.

His Pearl drum kit consists of a 22x18 bass drum, 10x9 tom, 12x9 tom, 14x12 tom, 16x16 floor tom, 18x16 floor tom, 14x5 Virgil Donati snare drum accompanied by a sopranino snare. He also frequently uses innovative 'air toms' which are toms that meet the players head height above the existing toms. Virgil also uses Pearl hardware. He's playing Sabian cymbals, Remo drumheads and Vater sticks.

Virgil was born in Melbourne, Australia, and got his first drumset at age 3.


He started playing right away with his fathers showband, and kept on doing these shows until he was around 6 years old. He began taking lessons at age 7 with Brian Czempinski and later Graham Morgan,- now a legend in the Australian drumming community.

Joining his first rock band at age 15 was surely the right choice for the young drummer. The band was called `Cloud Nine`, later to become `Taste`.

Donati left school when he was 16, focusing mainly on the drums, but also piano, and practicing hard every day! These days he spends most of his time in the United States playing with a number of different bands. Playing 6 nights a week with `Taste` was what really “got his chops together”. Australia was very isolated as far as instructional books and big international tours, so he had to rely on self-motivation and listening to records.

With his fathers choice of records, including Louie Bellson and Buddy Rich albums, Virgil quickly became a fan of those great jazz drummers, trying to emulate their solos.

The first rock drummer to make a big impact on him was Ian Paice of `Deep Purple`. Donati was “blown away by his clarity and power”,- something for which he later would become famous himself.

Practice became a way of life for Virgil, who tried to learn as many different styles as possible, enabling him to cope with any musical situation he was confronted with.

At age 19 Virgil travelled to the U.S. to study with Philly Joe Jones, and at Dick Groves School in L.A. He also took lessons from snare drum specialist Murry Spivak.

Returning to Australia at age 21 was where Virgils career took off! Playing jazz with Alan Zavod and Brian Brown,- and rock with Peter Cupples band, he was a busy touring and session drummer Down Under.

His own pop band, `The State` turned into `Southern Sons`, which led to Virgils first taste of international fame, with their selftitled debut selling multiplatinum and producing the international hit single 'Heart In Danger'.

The big break came in 1995 where Virgils first solo album Stretch was released to a stunned community of drummers worldwide, not knowing what had hit them! Since then, especially On The Virg: Serious Young Insects with tracks like the timebending Native Metal cemented Virgils status as progressive musical mastermind as well as drumgod.

Virgil was voted the number 1 clinician of the year (2004) by the readers of the popular drummer magazine, Modern Drummer. Virgil's own band 'Planet X' is arguably the most advanced progressive fusion group, setting new standards for other musicians to follow. They have released two studio albums; Universe (2000) and Moonbabies (2002), and one live album, Live From Oz (2001).

Virgils website, accordingly located at virgildonati.com, amongst other features presents an extensive gallery, videos, audio samples from his albums, and - pioneering the world of drummers websites - Online lessons + a rapidly growing messageboard of 6000+ drummers from all over the world, talking and learning about Virgil and drumming in general.

I dont doubt virgils skill and ability at all...
and in the technical world of druming he can
be everything and anything....

Your welcome to dissagree Frank... I dont mind at all....
Your working in the industry so of course
its going to mean more to you than me....

I'm just going on what and how I experience these 2....

Well, we can post clip after clip of drummers and very few of them are interesting and musical. Wow, they can play really really fast, or, ooo, he can twirl his sticks better than this dude. Mostly it seems like random whacking away at various drums and not very "musical". That dude at the guitar center started out interesting, but then stopped and just went into the infamous "Rosanna" beat. Then at the end, he brought it down nice mellow, but then completly ruined the vibe by randomly going nuts at the very end.

Bernard Purdie shows how to play a "musical" drum solo!

http://www.youtube.com/wa...NQ08V37g8c


I know, I know...I'm getting drummed out too!

theSpark said:

That guy was C.O.O.L. Loved the end "And melody is everything"

I don't want to join the "disagreement" but for a lot of folks, when it's outside a 4/4 groove many can't hear the melody. Myself included until Frank turned me onto a lot of jazz.

Here yamo.... knock yaselfout....

http://www.virgildonati.c...sounds.php
http://www.youtube.com/wa...jrOyoyCmAs

I'm more a slug n snail type....
I'm gonna add Bernard Purdie to my fav's...

Grooyiau what you perceive as "a chore" may be a "face of deep concentration"

Note the smile in the 2nd URL that Frank posted..

http://www.youtube.com/wa...rum%20Solo
[Edited 9/8/06 7:57am]

And theSpark....love that Bernard clip....easy does it...

Mike Mangini is awesome. He broke the World's Fastest Drummer record doing 1247 single strokes in 60 seconds

You guys checked out Jojo Mayers take on Drum n Bass/Jungle Drumming? Gotta be seen

obsessed said:

I've been thinking about the word "concentration"

I like this word when it comes to buying washing powder
- use less for the same or better result...

The result... to me... concentration maybe should show the result
not be the result....

concentration in meditation...
- I beleive this means you require less to acheive...

I prefer the contemplative approach....
effortless and free flowing... it might take a little
bit of focused concentration at the start BUT THATS IT

groovyiau said:

OK, I can go with that So what it boils down to is a 'face of contemplation'
rather than a 'face of concentration' Afterall, no one wants washing
powder in their eyes...couldn't concentrate or contemplate then...

obsessed said:

and like you say a picture picture paints a thousand words....

I'm not to sure what these guys are washing....
- its definately concetrated...

Never heard of them before today....

I dont think they can be serious musicians....
check out thier faces in the guitar solo's

http://youtube.com/result...rch=Search

groovyiau said:

They're makin' some great faces....

But what's this have to do with drummers?

The drumming is what attracted me first...
You might want to go back and check out the drumming

Its all heavily concentrated.....

groovyiau said:

Actually I did see the drumming...

Heavily concentrated for sure....

I think maybe you should take a look at this drummer's face...priceless..

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ed&search=

obsessed said:

Did ya notice the serious concentration
and that look of I'm doing something really
important here" in IGOR FALECKI's face...

Which brings me back to...
There are simple ways to do complex things...
and hard ways of doing the same....

and it shows.....

No pressure is a pleasure to behold... would you agree...?


edit... had to spell that name right....
[Edited 9/23/06 22:30pm]

groovyiau said:

Heaven forbid if ya spelled that name wrong...

I didn't see that quite so much in this video, as I did in some of the other
Igor Falecki videos... I watched several actually...

Anyway as to what you're saying, I always did agree....

So it's back to Bernard Purdie....