(this was an orgnote to somebody, but wanted to share with the class because I haven't had much sleep so my judgement is seriously impaired).

You don't listen to Hendrix? YOU DONT LISTEN TO HENDRIX? What are you - a communist?

If you like Prince's guitar playing, and YOU play guitar, how can you "not listen to Hendrix"?

Specifically, if you want to play guitar solos that display a confidence, a sense of rhythm, patterns that expand just basic scales, a sense of timing that works outside of the drummer, then you must at the very least study a few critical hendrix moments.

Okay - to be fair - I don't listen to most of his crap. I like the funky stuff, not so much a fan of the crappy experimental "my eye is on a rock near jupiter with waterfalls and feathery pillows" crud.

But as far as guitar solos - you need to go get just these two songs. Use iTunes or go to the wrecka sto and buy the whole damn album (Band of Gypsys):

Power Of Love - just the first 1:23 seconds is all you need. Honest. Be sure to wear a diaper. That opening solo displays several amazing things: one note can make your eyes bleed more than fifty. A wah pedal left on but not stepped on can be a good thing. And most importantly: vibrato.

Machine Gun - no - not that Prince crap from the Undertaker. The real deal. Again, most of the song requires a double hit from the bamboo bong, but the solo will educate you on the use of a single note to say more than a million notes. Specifically, 3:55. I used to sit at home with my amp on "kill", a distortion pedal and echo pedal trying to get the sound from that one note. I'm not lying. My neighbors came and asked me to at least play one more note so they don't kill me.

That song is probably by far the greatest thing Hendrix ever did live, spontaneously, on the fly. He did two shows that night, and the second show came out on record a few years ago and THAT solo is nothing like this one. He was channeling dead Viet Nam soldiers. I swear to God. I liked Hendrix before this song, but when I heard this one, and saw the video of the performance - it's like the first time you see the bootleg of Prince doing Purple Rain on 8/3/83 - the version that they used in the movie - you know you're watching something above and beyond just some dude playing a damn guitar.

That's all I'm saying. If you never listen to Hendrix, you still have to listen to those two songs.

All this is just my opinion. And you know what they say - opinions are like lobotomies - everybody needs one.

i grew up listening to hendrix. 'third stone from the sun' is one of my favorites of his, and 'are you experienced?' is one of my favorite albums.

Couldn't have said it all better myself.


What are you a commie?

Who was this directed towards? We'll have to stone him!!

artist08 said:

not necessarily stoned...

Frank has the most frickin' awesome rendition of 3rd Stone I've ever heard. We need to upload that thang.

yamomma said:

zappa?! really? is it officially released? my mom has a truckload of zappa, most of it i've heard a kajillion times from when i was a kid...i don't remember that.

speaking of hendrix and zappa, can anyone confirm that zappa gave his charred hendrix guitar to adrien belew around the time he toured w/ bowie in '78? obscure question, i know, but i keep getting tour footage from around that time, and i swear belew's guitar is the same one zappa used to play that once belonged to hendrix. i showed my mom, and she was pretty sure it was the same one...but i know zappa disliked belew working with bowie, so it doesn't make sense...

No, no ...

Sorry Anx. I was talking about my studio partner, Frank Axtell http://frankaxtell.com

I'll have to upload HIS version. It was recorded live with his trio from several years back. The drummer is amazing.

Found it: http://frankaxtell.com/Au...dStone.mp3

beauhall said:

If you want to play rock,blues or funk you need to listen to Jimi Hendrix...he is rocks greatest innovator and instrumentalist!
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[Edited 11/16/05 11:07am]

Okay well I wouldn't go that far.

Have you forgotten C.C. DeVille?

I'll even take it a step further. (He said with raw nerves exposed).

The "the funky stuff" is the easy part.

That "the crappy experimental "my eye is on a rock near jupiter with waterfalls and feathery pillows" crud." is where some of the true beauty and genius of Hendrix lies.

Third Stone from the Sun
May This Be Love
Up from the Skies
If 6 Was 9
One Rainy Wish
Have You Ever Been (To Electric Ladyland)

And the amazing Electric Ladyland sequence of...
Burning of the Midnight
Rainy Day, Dream Away
1983...(A Merman I Should Turn to Be)
Moon, Turn the Tides...Gently Gently Away
...are examples of an artist pushing the guitar envelope and succeeding much more often than failing in the process.

Voodoo Chile is an example of a great on the spot Space Blues jam.
The fact that his "arrows are made of desire from far away as Jupiter's sulphur mines", don't bother me one bit.
Not with all that hellfire guitar playing going on. Great interplay between Jimi and Steve Winwood on B3.

I'll take a musician, with appropriate skills, stretching themselves rather than playing it safe anyday.

Oh, and if you really want Hendrix in funk mode, The Voodoo Child (Slight Return) intro and Little Miss Lover should be part of the primer.



tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

theAudience said:

Take that ya commie bastid!

yamomma said:

Now, now. Don't be tryin' to start something.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

beauhall said:

beauhall said:

I did. I had to google that name up. He had a good run in his time.

"And baby we'll be ...
At the Drive in
In the old man's ford
Behind the tool shed
Till I'm screamin' for mo' mo' mo'

Down in the basement
We'll lock the celler door
And baby ... Talk dirty to me ...

C.C. pick up that guitar and talk to me!"

Ok, I remember that song too well

But i didn't forget R. Kotzen.

7salles said:

I dig Richie - seems like he releases an album a month.

He loves Prince and alternative acts. I suppose cc deville only digs Kiss and scorpions.

Little Wing is pure genius!

yamomma said:

Dude, I saw them live back in the day. I think they opened for David Lee Roth on the Skyscraper tour. Steve Vai was in the house. Ahhh my headbanging days... I saw Aerosmith with Skid Row as well.



CC is going to be on the next season of Surreal Life, btw.


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<rant>

I suppose this is prince.org so you're likely to get people here who think P exists in a vacuum and has no musical precedent or influences???

Someone studying the electric guitar and not listening to Hendrix is like a drama student refusing to do Shakespeare or a film student who won't watch Citizen Kane.

I remember having a heated conversation with someone who claimed to be a film buff but didn't watch black-and-white movies because they were 'too old and boring'.

Maybe it's something similar? Preconceptions about Hendrix and the era he happened to be alive in? Maybe their Dad listens to Hendrix? I dunno...

Putting these thoughts aside and just focussing on what he's doing technically might help. Studying a few Hendrix songs in depth definitely won't do your technique any harm.

My advice is try it, you might like it and it's good for you. I never used to eat fish when I was younger and now I love sushi.

</rant>
[Edited 11/27/05 21:01pm]

Well, the obvious argument to your rant is that Prince constantly cites Santana as his inspiration, and rarely throws Hendrix out there. His solos tend to be more Santanian, less Hendrixian unless he's shooting for a Hendrix kind of feel.

Just my take.

So, then, if you grew up on Prince, (say, you were born in 1984 and Purple Rain is an oldie record [SHUDDER]) then, Prince, Hendrix and Santana are all old farts. Say, you pick Prince as your number one guitar inspiration, and you read all up on Prince and his guitar playing, it's very likely that you end up following Prince over to Santana, and you KNOW about Hendrix, but since Prince doesn't really mention Hendrix too much in interviews, etc, you tend to ignore Hendrix.

I know, it's crazy, but it could happen. When I got into Stevie Ray Vaughan, I totally ignored BB King, never listened to a thing he did because Stevie rarely mentioned him in interviews, never really played like him, etc. NOW, I love me some BB, but back then, if Stevie Ray didn't tell me to check them out, I didn't.

Ahh, the stupid days of youth.

Late Pass, but.....

Hendrix was the reasaon I picked up a guitar and started playing
upside down (cause I'm a lefty).....His unreleased jams and such led
me to a lot of other guitarists and it went from there...




Jshua

beauhall said:

Agreed, following up on Prince's influences would lead you back to Santana. There's a lot of Santana in his lead playing.
I guess I meant that having a serious interest in playing the electric guitar should lead you to Hendrix at some point. But then I'm biased... veeeery biased.

Prince's greatest influence in my life has been as a gateway to other music/musicians. I first was drawn in by his funk guitar playing, which led me to rediscover Sly Stone, James Brown and all the funk records lying around the house. They were always there but I never LISTENED to them until I got seriously into Prince. Same with his rock guitar playing. Listening to Bambi and Why You Wanna Treat Me So Bad led me to discover Jesse Johnson, then Hendrix, which led to Van Halen, Vito Bratta and other heavy guitar cats.

I remember in an early interview, guitarist Stevie Salas said that he never listened to Hendrix growing up, though later on other listeners noticed some similiarities in their playing. I guess it is possible, though improbable.

JesseDezz said:

Okay, homeboy must be LYING. Have you ever heard "Indian Chief"? It sounds extremely derivative of "Castles Made of Sand"

But okay. Sure.

beauhall said:

Actually, "Indian Chief" was the song that started the Hendrix comparisons. It's in an old issue of Guitar World around the time he came out with Stevie Salas Colorcode. I don't get it, either...

JesseDezz said:

My experience as far as the Prince influence goes was similar to yours.
Prince was my gateway to discovering other guitarist. Santana is one of the few guitarist Prince freely admitted to being influenced by, so that's where I started. Santana got me to alot of the blues & fusion guys. From there each cat I checked out got me over to look into someone else. I kept hearing other folks talk of the Prince/Hendrix comparison....so I got into Hendrix for a while the realized that at least to me Prince did not have much in common with Hendrix as far as what he played was concerned.

Yeah, I "saw" the influence as far as the visuals & histronics were concerned but I didn't and still don't "hear" it. Prince is probably least "Hendrixy" of any guitarist I've heard, yet Prince always seemed to have the Hendrix label hung on him.

Guitar World years ago ran an article about black guitarist and how they were dealing with the comparisons to Hendrix even though what they played bore little or no resemblence to his music. If I remember correctly the guitarist were,Vernon Reid, Michael Hill, Jerome Harris, Michael Hampton, Jean Paul Bourelly.
It also delt with how the Hendrix label hurt some players who played "Hendrixy"stuff when his type of playing fell out of popular fashion for a while in the mid 80's.


But influence doesn't always have a direct. It can be subline I know with my own playing that some stuff has creapt in that wasn't deliberate. Suprised the heck out of me as this wasn't stuff I consciously worked on.


-KSTRAT-
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