Does it make anyone else sick that there is seldom music made with real instruments? This really has nothing to do with what other people have said, rather, what is published in reality. I am greatful for the MUSICIANS out there. There are many here that show great talent and determination and I wish you all the best and hope that you will be heard WELL outside the purple realm. People get brainwashed by the media, and it really hurts me. I'm not a musician, but I play one on the Org.

Schöne Grüße!

So
What I meant to say, was that,
I just recently went to check those "charts" at soundclick to hear what the competition was like (I was that guy that did the cover of "Sign 'O' The Times" with VinaBlue) and was really taken aback by the top 4 (we're still at #5 )

#1 was a fun dance track, but, the other three were just samples? Kinda irks me a bit, cuz that means that ANYBODY can throw somethin', even though no instruments were involved.

And that makes NOONE a bit upset?



PS.I'm sure it's been discussed(disgust) before, but, let's do it again!

C'mon e'rybody!!!

Schöne Grüße

So a guy basically raps over Lose My Breath by Destiny's Child.

Sampling is OK now and then, but it a track consists of ONLY samples, then it's a bit bogus. I mean, there is a skill to edit, arrange and mix it all... but it isn't as pure as creating something from scratch, imo.

VinaBlue said:

ditto.

talmuzic said:

Amen! People should not work with samples longer than 2 seconds. Create your own shit, much more cool in my opinion!

nayroo2002 said:

Don't be naive! A high chart position has almost nothing to do with the quality of the music.

BTW: What is a real instrument? An amplified guitar played with a compressor?

SimonaleX ended his/her post with the core of mine.

While I'm not a huge fan of hit-based sample-happy tunes, (Puff Daddy should stop. period.) I won't tell anybody to stop using whatever tools they have to develop their art.

The BEST case in point, locally, is PaisleyPark4. Over the past three years, his compositions have gone from a single loop with singing to some pretty experimental stuff. I have no idea what his plans are with his art, but that's what I'd call his work - art.

No matter what tool you use, there will be lame crap coming out, and there will be artists, creating art, all with the same core tools.

So, yeah, first off, ignore what you're seeing on those charts. The other top songs are probably by artists who are posting over at hiphop.org or something and just have a ton of people checking out the songs, OR, they're actually on the forums over at soundclick.com rousting interest in the songs. That's how it's done. You don't just create magic and let it grow. You get out and publicize the hell out of your stuff, anywhere and everywhere. So, look at those charts not so much as a "Quality Rating", as something more of a "Publicity Ratings".

Sorry to be devil's advocate here, but honestly - go check out the stuff PP4 was doing last year with his MTV Soundmachine. It was amazing. I haven't seen him posting around here lately, anyone know where he is? (oh. I see he's just posted on here!)

Check out his work for loop/electronic stuff that goes outside of the box. Just my opinion, (and it's very limited cuz I rarely listen to something without SOME organic stringed/skinned/reeded instrument)

http://www.soundclick.com...zmusic.htm

It takes work, practice and a creative perspective to make music. Just like everything else, it can be done half-assed and there will be fans that like it until they know better.

I'm with Otan on PP4's stuff, check it.

Slave2daGroove said:

I really like the way you put that


Seriously, that makes all the sense in the world to me.

You should post that somewhere in the local record shops!!!

Schöne Gruß!

Don't make me do graphics for it,

thx

otan said:

I had no idea you said that until now. Thank you very very much. I have been using that scratchy ol' dusty Playstation1 disc since 2001 and I keep makin better beats out of it. I guess music sound is not limited just whatever your imagination comes with.

I agree with people coming on charts with nothing but a sample of another song over a rap too, but like Otan said, it's probably from high number of folks who recognize 'em.

Lots o people cant afford / have time to learn guitars keys drums bass technology or even drum programming...it only matters on how much you know about music. Look at what the Neptunes have accomplished just using drum programming a computer and keyboards (like me). They have catchy rhythms and endless top ten hits that keep on coming.

The bit that annoys me the most is when people make out that samples/computer programs can give them what I have worked damn hard at for 18 years of my life. Its like 'na you dont need talent, practise or passion just a copy of reason and some mp3s'. Ughhh spare me your way of life lol

Ive always thought that using technology to enhance what you can do is great, but using technology as an excuse for what you cant do, theres just something wrong about that .
[Edited 5/11/05 17:36pm]

Slave2daGroove said:

Yes well said!

cloud9mission said:

Sorry to say, but this way of thinking is just not right. Take a look at music history and you will see why. It’s always the same story: old vs. new!

Not long ago it was a quality to sing because instruments were just imitating singing.
Not long ago it was a quality to play regularly because there were no metronomes.
Not long ago it was a quality to play loud because there were no amplifiers.

Etc.

Go on and make your own list!

SimonaleX said:

I don't think that's what he's saying but what the hell is "imitating singing"?

Nothing touches the human voice as the most perfect instrument. Chants (gregorian and before) using nothing but the human voice is one of the first acknowledged forms of music.

SimonaleX said:

Im not saying old is better than new I just dont believe that samples or computer programs etc make up for years of hard work and talent. There are a lot of people that do not play instruments but have spent years practising what they do and have a lot of talent.

You cant just buy a computer program and poof, you have musical ability. But there are a lot of people out there that think that, and also think that their software makes them superior to musicians that have worked all their lives at it. That just narks me lol
[Edited 5/12/05 7:22am]

Slave2daGroove said:

That's what I wanted to say (Sorry, my bad English... ). Instrumental music was considered inferior to vocal music at this time.

cloud9mission said:

Ok, that's different. I thought you were bitter because of people achieving your goals in an easy (and therefore wrong) way.



I agree with that!

yeah. good talk.

I was just simply saying that what takes time and thought to make shouldn't be exploited just cuz it sounds phat.

that's all.

thanks for chatting!