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Thread started 11/06/04 5:56pm

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New song on Soundclick - feedback needed!

This is a rough demo version that I was working on and figured I'd get some help before I added/edited anything else. It's called "So Much Better." There's definitely some things that I'm going to change or add, but let's hear what you guys think. Thanks!!
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Reply #1 posted 11/06/04 6:02pm

Luv4oneanotha

its pretty good for a demo
did you do this in one take?
personally i thinbk its a bit naked needs more sounds, but afterall it is a demo
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Reply #2 posted 11/08/04 7:27am

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Luv4oneanotha said:

its pretty good for a demo
did you do this in one take?
personally i thinbk its a bit naked needs more sounds, but afterall it is a demo


Thanks. Music was pretty much one take except for dueling guitar riffs in the bridge which required a bit of experimenting. It's definitely stripped down and I'll be adding more - it's just a question of what. I'd appreciate some feedback in regards to additions/editing from you all.
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Reply #3 posted 11/08/04 9:58am

Luv4oneanotha

well i like the acoustic intro
that stays
it sounds like a ballad
it would be nice if after the second verse, you incorporated a keyboard
playing lush Chords along with the acoustic guitar
and let that build up for like 20 secs
then just be for the 3rd verse when it gets loud
add some big beats kick drums along with a snare of your choice
doing a standered 2/4 ryhthm
then after the "you can do so much better than me"
add like a strat on mid distortion playing the riff and improvising solo
then you die it down for the next verse
cut the next 2 verses cause its a lil dull and can get anoyying
last thing you need is a long ass song thats going nowhere
incorporate another guitar to the dueling guitars,
finish off with the last verse and end in acoustic
perhaps just repeating a line until fade
"you can do so much better than me" or whatever
or change the tempo, like the ending of house of the rising sun

or just come up with something on your own
thats just stuff i would do lol
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Reply #4 posted 11/08/04 11:32am

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Luv4oneanotha said:

well i like the acoustic intro
that stays
it sounds like a ballad
it would be nice if after the second verse, you incorporated a keyboard
playing lush Chords along with the acoustic guitar
and let that build up for like 20 secs
then just be for the 3rd verse when it gets loud
add some big beats kick drums along with a snare of your choice
doing a standered 2/4 ryhthm
then after the "you can do so much better than me"
add like a strat on mid distortion playing the riff and improvising solo
then you die it down for the next verse
cut the next 2 verses cause its a lil dull and can get anoyying
last thing you need is a long ass song thats going nowhere
incorporate another guitar to the dueling guitars,
finish off with the last verse and end in acoustic
perhaps just repeating a line until fade
"you can do so much better than me" or whatever
or change the tempo, like the ending of house of the rising sun

or just come up with something on your own
thats just stuff i would do lol



Now that's feedback! Thanks! The bridge part actually has four guitars in it so I don't know if adding another will help. I think it just needs to become more powerful somehow - maybe different drums? I have the acoustic, and electric playing chords with a tremelo effect and two leads panned to each side. I'd really like to add a keyboard part in there somewhere. Most of the keyboard stuff I put in was just experimenting. And, you're right the song does get a bit repetitive at times. Thanks again.
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Reply #5 posted 11/08/04 3:32pm

psykosoul

I dig this a whole lot thumbs up!
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Reply #6 posted 11/09/04 5:04am

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psykosoul said:

I dig this a whole lot thumbs up!


Thanks, psyko! Any suggestions for improvement?
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Reply #7 posted 11/09/04 6:48am

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dont shoot a brother here, but...

There's parts of the vocals where you're going all over the place - in and out of the right key. You're not going sharp or flat, you're just hitting a note that doesn't sound like it belongs in there - most of the time, it's during the wavering runs where you're mariah-ing all over the place. (or is that Aguilerring?)

Second. Cut the drummer off on the coke. The entire song is very laid back except for speedy gonzales on the ride cymbal. I would say go back just play quarter notes, with an occasional extra hit here and there - IMPLY that groove instead of beating it into submission.

The oddball bridge is great and just flat out wierd at the same time - so, definitely leave it as is...
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Reply #8 posted 11/09/04 7:13am

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This sounds like a great song in a work in progress.
The verses are arranged in good fashion and I can hear what they want to sound like, but they are done very quickly and sketchy.
I dont know what the slowed down voice thing is saying in the background.

If you do remake it, do keep the falcetto and your regular range together because that gives it a nice quiet layout. The bridge can be turned up with lots of guitar going all around. thumbs up!

The drum track needs to be turned up, or just but up to the fore just a lil more...if that's what u like (because I love big pounding drums wink ).

So this will go down with me as "Dancin Round The Truth" FINISH IT and dont leave it behind like the other classic. cry
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Reply #9 posted 11/09/04 7:19am

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otan said:

dont shoot a brother here, but...

There's parts of the vocals where you're going all over the place - in and out of the right key. You're not going sharp or flat, you're just hitting a note that doesn't sound like it belongs in there - most of the time, it's during the wavering runs where you're mariah-ing all over the place. (or is that Aguilerring?)

Vox still need work. You shoulda heard them after the first take....ewwww. There's like four separate vocal tracks and four guitar tracks so without bouncing I'm kinda low on tracks. I was trying to work out some kind of cool harmonies, but still need some help. While I like lush harmonies I have a hard time actually singing all of the parts. I believe I'm not Aguilerring, but William Hung-ing.



Second. Cut the drummer off on the coke. The entire song is very laid back except for speedy gonzales on the ride cymbal. I would say go back just play quarter notes, with an occasional extra hit here and there - IMPLY that groove instead of beating it into submission.

There's no drummer just a random pattern on the Zoom drum machine that I thought would fit what I was actually trying to acheive. I'm so afraid that I'll forget the riffs and chord progressions that I spend NO time trying to program the drums for an entire song. (You've listened to the others right? LOL) I thought that I could possibly add the kick and snare through my Korg keyboard to make parts more powerful. It would be different if I actually recorded it with a real drummer.


The oddball bridge is great and just flat out wierd at the same time - so, definitely leave it as is...


That's the thing I like best about the song. Kinda Beatles meet Radiohead. I just want it to make sure that it hits hard and is powerful. Any suggestions? Did you notice the robot voice panned to the right speaker? Hahaha.
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Reply #10 posted 11/09/04 7:24am

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paisleypark4 said:

This sounds like a great song in a work in progress.
The verses are arranged in good fashion and I can hear what they want to sound like, but they are done very quickly and sketchy.
I dont know what the slowed down voice thing is saying in the background.

If you do remake it, do keep the falcetto and your regular range together because that gives it a nice quiet layout. The bridge can be turned up with lots of guitar going all around. thumbs up!

The drum track needs to be turned up, or just but up to the fore just a lil more...if that's what u like (because I love big pounding drums wink ).

So this will go down with me as "Dancin Round The Truth" FINISH IT and dont leave it behind like the other classic. cry


Thanks, man. I didn't take all that much time on some parts because I didn't want to devote a lot of time to stuff that I might be taking out. I have two vocals panned left and two "response" vocals panned right. I did take time on the guitars in the bridge, but the electric during verses and chorus was one take and needs to be changed a bit. I don't know if I made the chorus sound too "bluesy" or not. It wasn't intentional just sorta came out that way after the bluesy electric was added. If I can get this song presentable then I may present it to my bandmates when we do some recording.
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Reply #11 posted 11/09/04 4:26pm

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definitely an original song. I can't feel this one. good vocal. very eclectic.
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Reply #12 posted 11/09/04 5:28pm

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talmuzic said:

definitely an original song. I can't feel this one. good vocal. very eclectic.


I think this means you don't like it so how can I change it to make it better? Help out here, folks!
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Reply #13 posted 11/09/04 6:12pm

psykosoul

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psykosoul said:

I dig this a whole lot thumbs up!


Thanks, psyko! Any suggestions for improvement?


I can't get technical. I like the music and vocals in their rawest form nod
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Reply #14 posted 11/10/04 4:53pm

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Thanks for everyone's comments. I don't remember how I got on Vina's "ignore" list.... wink
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Reply #15 posted 11/10/04 7:06pm

Raijuan

VERY COOL TRACK! thumbs up!
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Reply #16 posted 11/11/04 5:24am

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Raijuan said:

VERY COOL TRACK! thumbs up!


Thanks! It will be much better if I actually finish it.
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Reply #17 posted 11/12/04 8:01am

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artist08 said:

Thanks for everyone's comments. I don't remember how I got on Vina's "ignore" list.... wink


omg ??? neutral confused
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Reply #18 posted 11/12/04 8:47am

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paisleypark4 said:

artist08 said:

Thanks for everyone's comments. I don't remember how I got on Vina's "ignore" list.... wink


omg ??? neutral confused



wildsign cry shrug I just know I USED to get feedback from her...lol. wink
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Reply #19 posted 11/12/04 11:07am

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I don't know how 2 make this one better. It's not anything that u did wrong, I just did not groove on this one. It was kind of eclectic. Kind of artsy.Don't feel bad , I write some music that I don't even understand but someone else might. Don't let my lack of feeling this one slow your roll. Roll on my friend.
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Reply #20 posted 11/12/04 12:44pm

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talmuzic said:

I don't know how 2 make this one better. It's not anything that u did wrong, I just did not groove on this one. It was kind of eclectic. Kind of artsy.Don't feel bad , I write some music that I don't even understand but someone else might. Don't let my lack of feeling this one slow your roll. Roll on my friend.


Thanks, Tal. I understand how you feel and that's cool. I sort of feel the same way because I just don't think it's even close to finished and didn't take the turn that I thought it would. I will fix it, though, in the near future.
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Reply #21 posted 11/20/04 9:47am

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I was just working on this a bit earlier. I added a couple of keyboard tracks and will be recording new electric guitar parts and probably new vox. Expect something early next week...
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Reply #22 posted 11/20/04 10:55am

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paisleypark4 said:

artist08 said:

Thanks for everyone's comments. I don't remember how I got on Vina's "ignore" list.... wink


omg ??? neutral confused


HEY! fishslap Don't be spreadin no rumors about me boy-eee! no no no!

I've been kinda busy, you know.. I already splained myself. peace

OK, This is really really cool. I LOVE the Bridge. I'm trying to pinpoint what this all reminds me of... It's like a combination of a few different band's songs. I hear what Otan is talking about as far as going in and out of key. I think that was happening to me in Red Pepper Bunches... Did you get a chance to listen to that, by the way? tease Anywho, I really like the concept and the arrangement of this. Very very cool.

Still trying to pinpoint the vibe I'm getting from this. The middle/bridge reminds me of the Pulp Fiction theme song... The acoustic intro is like The Truth and also like Temple of the Dog or something. And your vocal tone quality always kinda leans toward Neil Finn.

thumbs up!
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Reply #23 posted 11/20/04 8:10pm

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VinaBlue said:

paisleypark4 said:



omg ??? neutral confused


HEY! fishslap Don't be spreadin no rumors about me boy-eee! no no no!

I've been kinda busy, you know.. I already splained myself. peace

OK, This is really really cool. I LOVE the Bridge. I'm trying to pinpoint what this all reminds me of... It's like a combination of a few different band's songs. I hear what Otan is talking about as far as going in and out of key. I think that was happening to me in Red Pepper Bunches... Did you get a chance to listen to that, by the way? tease Anywho, I really like the concept and the arrangement of this. Very very cool.

Still trying to pinpoint the vibe I'm getting from this. The middle/bridge reminds me of the Pulp Fiction theme song... The acoustic intro is like The Truth and also like Temple of the Dog or something. And your vocal tone quality always kinda leans toward Neil Finn.

thumbs up!


Thanks for listening. There must be 'something so strong' that makes me sound like Neil Finn. Hahaha! Is it the combination of vox that wander out of key or is it the loudest one? I don't really think that the chorus vocal panned left goes out of key really...hmmmm. Yeah, I tried to go to your song just now and saw that it was gone (I failed to look at the 'edit' until afterwards). I don't think I like the bluesy feel I got in the chorus and it definitely wasn't planned.
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