Hey guys, this really just tripped me out. I logged on to www.npgmc.com for the first time in a while and noticed a new intro, check it out. There is a gift box that includes an "NPG Child Poster." You get a good look of it in the intro.

Some of you may remember the baby in the first NFO promotional materials and the small controversy it caused. What does a child have to do with the funk? Well, there were many interpretations, so from personal experience we know it's not the best choice. I was just really taken by surprise when I saw that at npgmc and immediately thought of our little mascot last year:

http://www.cafepress.com/...m=yes#zoom


http://www.cafepress.com/...m=yes#zoom

Hey NFO, do you still have the old intro page that had the baby groovin to the music?

I sometimes wonder this myself.
When I released "A Journey In2 The RetroFuturistic" which contains a featured violinist, about nearly 2 months later, "Xpectation" came out with Vanessa Mae taking prominent solos and a drumbreak which sounded curiously like one of the tracks on Journey...

I'm sure he must check some of us out in some shape or form

'dre

Here is more of the bay-bee http://newfunkorder.com/V...dress.html

He must have got something from us. One member from Paisley told Electric Purple that indeed he knew about NFo and liked what we are doing.

Who knows?
Don't let some guys from the org read this Drezone, or you will get slammed.

DreZone said:

I hope so. But, I do think that he must feel good that we organize these movements and help him synergetically in the process. I hope that he might take some inspiration from us too. I think I might have talked to him on some occasions before but didn't know (under a pseudonym).

Peace,
JD

paisleypark4 said:

I remember you telling me about that. You guys put in work that day when you took the CD up there too. He might have got it then. Plus, EP put a CD on the stage one time, and did that promo at the MTV awards.

Peace,
JD

You know,

I'd like to think so--but for me,
the most important thing is being a part
of a positive movement!

Maybe one day, Mr. P and The NFO might get
together but until such time, there are still
quite a number of NFO artists who richly deserve
to be seen and heard!





Jshua

Styles said:

I heard that brother.

Even Prince is not immune 2 this thing we call life..."the experience".We all are a product of the things we experience in life. If I were him and had a fan site like this, I would see what my peeps were up to for my sake.

DreZone said:

oh please. like hes got the time, or the need. prince has been around for so long, and hes been influenced by so many artists already, i think hes pretty much found his sound now. everything sounds curiously like one thing or another anyway. im not saying hes unlikely to admire what were doing if he hears it, but the chances are hes already done most of it and been there already. if i hear a song by prince that reminds me of me, and its physically possible for him to have heard my stuff, ill safely assume that its not me doing the influencing.
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leafar said:

Yeah, sometimes I think we are all so in tune with the creative energy of the universe... that we just happen to draw on similar things at the same time. That used to happen with my friend Chico who is a dancer and would choreograph things and Madonna would end up doing similar stuff later. Like a collective unconscious kind of thing.

But this child poster thing is uncanny.

oh make no mistake about it.

prince uses other people's ideas all the time.

- or someone scouts around for them and tells him about them - perhaps claiming these ideas as their own?


notice the inside sleeve of the musicology booklet : " some of the best things are created by sound " - or something.

then go to my own website : http://www.pbphonehome.com/intro.html

not to mention the whole ' music is the new politic ' thing - which he has - in my mind - used to his advantage.

my site recorded over 700 hits from a rogers.com around the same time he heard my music.

go figure - this was before NEWS was released.

something woke him out of his catatonic slumber.

the question is WHAT WAS IT ??

now he been out there in a flurry of almost desparate showmanship - his desire to be honoured obvious - his image of 'hero' firmly imprinted on the psyche of the music industry for his efforts to 'make a difference and bring real music back'.




whether he is inspired by us or not - the real question is..

when will we be paid?


he is profitting millions of dollars from other peoples ideas.. there are too many instances of others saying the same thing - to mention here.





vina - I'd go with ur gut feel on this - prince or one of his scouts take ideas from people all the time ..


it's the nature of a false image to keep pretending for as long as possible that it is real and innovative - when in fact its light went out years ago - but its ego cant handle that fact.





I used to respect prince as a person - when I believed the image he presented of himself was truly spiritual.

I dont anymore - becuz of things like this.

I will always respect his talent - but I do not mix with thieves.








during the end times - all things hidden are revealed - the bible folk will recognise this statement.









if anyone wants to question what I have typed here - dont bother cuz I made my mind up about it ages ago.


the truth is plain to see.

sorry prince..

once again ..

when will we be paid ??










Peace out..


The more-than-happy-girl-from-downunder-who-knows-what-time-it-is..

PB

VinaBlue said:

madonna is another one who has scouted and stolen peoples ideas for her ENTIRE CAREER.

she was recently SUED for using another artists ideas!!




" all things hidden will be revealed "




sorry but I have a pet hate for fakes.







love ya vina - PB

Should we call this inspiration?????
There lays the question....
Well since we R on the topic let me add this...
I was chatting a few months back in the NPGMC and I brought up the idea of having for my Art Gallery Incense dipped in oils....well..sure enough....seems to b Mani's project now with the Hawaiian box....
I don't really know how to take this.....
should I be happy that someone has executed the idea....or should I b upset that someone has just used and patented the idea...
Well...too late now I guess.....Hope she Njoys the Benefits...
Peace

One more thang....
there was a PP operator in the chat at the time....that really liked the idea..and even mentioned it in the chat...oh well.....call it as u please inspiration.....I might see it differently

" inspiration " - not ..

whoever is behind this kind of " theft of intellectual property " - should be well aware of the spiritual consequences ..

even if they believe in themselves they are doing the right thing ( which I doubt ) - rude awakening always follow such ignorant actions ..


another passage for the bible folk " the rich will become poor and the poor will become rich "



those of us that quietly innovate and send the message down the line for copyists on the world stage to execute - become rich in spirit - for our patience and forgiveness ..

whilst those getting rich financially become poorer in spirit for their lack of true connection with the sense of decent humanity everyone needs to lead a heavenly life .. - they simply dont have it.




whether its incense or marketing campaigns - whoever is behind this will be exposed in time..

but just as all internal problems within a company lie under the boss's jurisdiction and ultimate responsibility - so do these internal corruptions rest on Prince's desk for him to have a look at ..

.. if he wants to.

$127 million !!



LOL !!

AtenO said:

Incense is nothing new though. I thought it was kinda weird in the gift box and all, but I've seen and heard of incense dipped in oil before. I mean, did you talk about recipes or scents and are they using those exact ingredients?

Actually yes I did discuss the ingredients since I was also having some Massage oils mixed at the time by one of the members at the Npgmc....

sacredwarrior said:

yes, my philosophy is let them steal. Whether we all like it or not we all borrow from each other in one way or another. Over time it's just a bigger picture of the elders passing on their knowledge and inspiration to the next generation. it's the same thing in modern times except its on a massive scale.

They can steal one idea but for each idea they steal there are a million more. So to hell with it! As long as they do the original idea justice all is "forgiven" in the giving.

Someone was saying something about creative coincidence. So true! Most are all reaching into the same pot. This pot is the creative mind. I think we are all connected in some unexplainable way, telepathic almost. Most of the time multiple people pull the same thing out and say "hey I thought of that first" kinda thing.

The trick is to reach into the pockets that no one else is reaching into. I can only imagine to do this you would have to let go of all doubt, all reference and all anchors. Easier said than done, I suppose. I honestly don't think anyone is stealing outright. We all inspire one another, it's a cool thing.

I'm inspiring myself to go smoke a bowl.

Life is dynamic and always changing. You can never sit on one thing and call it your own, that's impossible.

Remember...

Bubble Gum Melts at the Speed of Dry Ice

Toy thanks for such a reasonable and intelligent response - I only have a couple of things to add for further reflection - see inserts .. PB

ToyStein said:

These are the kinds of things that people expose in politics - and people belive need to be exposed for real honest change to occur so everyone gets a fair deal..

my view is simply " hey dude - u wanna use my intellectual property for your own gain go right ahead - as long as the idea gets out there - and your the man to do it ..

but at least pay me - as you would and have expected to be paid for the whole time you sat there sulking. "

and if its not him doing it and its people around him - he is still responsible in my mind - for hiring them in the first place.



**** most benevolent scenario = these people deserve to be acknowledged, thanked and/or paid.



lookit I dont know much - but I didnt come down in the last shower - I've done my spiritual homework - and I know the difference between right and wrong - doesnt matter about " the creative mind and its unity " ..

there are laws on earth - and there are laws in heaven ..

in heaven - people give back to the tree of life what they have taken from it - reciprical appreciation is a must ..

and if the ways of 'life on earth' are ever going to sync up with the ' ways of life in heaven" then icons on a world stage need to start abiding by those laws ..

one of them being " do unto others as you would have them do unto you. "

I went to Prince wide-eyed and naive - I know better now - and I dont care who is behind this crap - it needs to rectified plain and simple - its wrong.





Thanks for listening - hope you can dig.

once again > $127 MILLION !!



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Yes I do agree on being on the same wave lenght..but now...lets turn the tables.....
How does Prince feel about Bootleggers??? or WB for that matter...isn't that HIS ideas or songs that R being used and being profited without him having a part of the Gold??
The same principle applies here...and that he is Prince or a guy from around the corner...everyone deserves what comes to them....PERIOD

sacredwarrior said:

I don't mind if he uses our ideas. If he does, just a mention of our name as props would be sufficient. I am VERY HAPPY if he is being inspired by us! I have so much in common with the man, especially in his younger days- and I would be honored if he is sharing our ideas.


Peace,
JD

leafar said:

U obviously seem 2 have a problem with my concepts. What I'm saying is that there is a possibility. Not just me but other ORGers. Stop being such a bleedin' cynic. Defeats the purpose of this thread entirely.

'dre
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ok....

Back to the poster.

Most of us know that Sam Jennings: http://samnation.com had a child around the same time I did. (He's the guy who does the NPGMC) I was designing a bunch of stuff for http://newfunkorder.com when my son was born. Of course my son, my first child, my blood, etc is going to be A HUGE inspiration in my work. I was thinking at the time how cool it would be to use him in some of the items as a representation of "NEW". Whether it was "New Breed", "New Funk" or "New Generation", whatever. All can be traced back to a prince lyric somewhere probably. It was also posted that the baby crying at the end of "Xpedition" off of the album "Xpectation" was a recording of Sam Jenning's child. Sam is credited for a lot of stuff that comes out of the NPGMC. If his job is anything like mine, 90% of the time, we are asked to go to town on some ideas and present them for review. "Someone" upstairs looks the ideas over and says "ok, I like this one, this one and this one". And there it is. So my opinion is that Prince has very little to do with the merchandise. So who ever did the poster (like me) probably stared at a blank screen for a few hours, went to google and typed in "FUNK" and found some results and then started some work.

I know when I do websites and marketing materials, I scan over a lot of related sources for inspiration. We don't just pull these things out our arse all the time, you know? I can see how someone came up with a very similar concept as well as someone else drawing off my own. When your a one man shop, you got to use all the leverage you can get. If someone in his camp dug the poster (which most people hated at the time) then goodie, I was quite fond of it.


Posters in question:








My son is da bomb!

yamomma said:

Where are those pics of him checking the cd out. There was a picture with him looking at the camera and that was what came to mind when I saw the npgmc child poster.

I'd love to have seen these reproduced!
http://newfunkorder.com/p....php?t=151

VinaBlue said:

Here is the orginal post: http://www.prince.org/msg/15/48472