Okay, so like hey....
Alla y'all NPGMC members in Omaha, where you at? How were your seats? I might have to wait until the 13th to find out for myself...hehehehe. What am I gonna do AFTER next week? I know I'll want to quit my job and turn into the Sand Dollar Man. No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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Here's a post from a member who had a front row seat and a virtually completely obstructed sightline...he said he could see Prince for maybe 5% of the show.
http://www.prince.org/msg/12/88418 I will SO NOT BE PLEASED if this happens. It doesn't seem right, AT ALL. Ticketmaster can't sell seats that are obstructed without letting people know first, so why can the club? Yeah, technically these were the seats "closest to the stage," but nobody else would want them, so why sell them in a presale if not to pawn off the shit seats to the hardcore fans who will still support Prince anyway? NPGMC better watch the FUCK out if they put me and my father or me and my little brother in some motherfucking bullshit obstructed view seats!!!! I find it odd that no other members have shared their experiences...although the tour is still early. Am I the only one who would be irate beyond belief if this happened to me? And for the record, sure it'd be cool to dance next to Prince and sing into his mic...but I'd MUCH MUCH MUCH rather have the good seat I was promised. Remember, "Every seat's a good seat"? No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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Man, if my friend at work (who joined the club at my suggestion to buy tickets) gets obstructed view seats, that's gonna be really shitty. He's taking my little sister to her first Prince concert, and she's been a casual fan since back in the day, even through the symbol years. I mean seriously that's gonna SUCK.
And that's gotta be one of the reasons they don't tell members where they're sitting when they buy the tickets...because who wouldn't raise hell if they found out they were gonna be in the front row in the back where they could see virtually none of the concert? No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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I sat in the front row on the side at the OKC show. While it was difficult to see some of the things happening at the other side of the stage, there was always plenty to focus on with other band memebers or prince himself. You can not see the video screens, however I'm not sure why you would need to. The stage is large, almost 6 feet tall in places, with 5 feet being the norm. If it is important for you to see the man every minute that he is on the stage, and you want to give up being able to touch him, then sit on the side rather than the floor. I guarantee you that if you offer your "front row" seat to anyone on the side, they will take it.
Just go, enjoy the show, and if you don't like your seats, find somebody that will that you can trade with. With member seats it won't be hard I am sure! Incidentally Prince tore up OKC. The accoustic version of "I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man" was astounding. He also played the ride which I haven't seen on other set lists. For the record, I liked the ONA tour layout. With this show being in the round, there are times that prince is facing the other folks, and it's not going to matter if you are on the floor or on the side. My two cents | |
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dfleming said: II guarantee you that if you offer your "front row" seat to anyone on the side, they will take it.
Just go, enjoy the show, and if you don't like your seats, find somebody that will that you can trade with. With member seats it won't be hard I am sure! I hadn't thought of that - thanks!! I'll definitely try to find some sucker to switch with if I can't see well...I'm sure I can find some girl that wants to feel Prince's sweat drip on her or something. Yeah, I still don't understand why he did it in the round, to be honest. It doesn't make sense to me, but whatever. I mean in Lovesexy with the piano rising up and all the theatrics, it made sense. Here it just doesn't, but whatever. No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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dfleming said: ...He also played the ride which I haven't seen on other set lists.
Glad u had fun and enjoyed the show, but If I hear 'The Ride' one mo' time, I think Im gonna puke, drop it P 4 God's sake and play something u DON'T (or havent!) played before and really knock us 4 siX! [This message was edited Thu Apr 8 14:40:58 2004 by bananacologne] | |
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I would like front row though. That's for sure. Sometimes people are tall and I am not. | |
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Over at www.npgmc.com, jcingles continued the conversation:
We went to the concert in Omaha last night and had ordered presale tix the very second they went on sale. in fact, my order was completed at 10:03 am. i was ecstatic when i picked up the tix and found out we were in the 1st row! however, our seats were in section e2, which turned out to be the side of the stage with the npg logo and keyboard setup which means we could not see 85% of the show. we would have been better off in the upper bowl! it was also frustrating becuz i'm tall (6' 4") and i could barely see prince's head most of the time, but my wife could see almost nothing, except on the rare occassions when prince ventured (very briefly) to our side of the stage. we feel ripped off and feel that the club tix being the best seats turned out to be a cruel joke. friends of ours that bought tix weeks after they went on sale had a better view. i even won tix on the radio for knowing wht song he did with madonna, but GAVE THEM AWAY to my sister, who couldn't afford to go, but now wish we would've sat wher they were! musically, it could have been a great show, but our seats were terrible and the sound at the quest center was awful. doesn't even compare to one nite alone. we want the npgmusicclub to contact us regarding this, as it was NOT what we expected in the slightest.
After getting abused by members as one would expect, jcingles said: he pretty much ignored the section we were in. it isn't about feeling like i deserve anything for being a fan for so long and it isn't about being close to Prince, i do not idolize him or think that being close to him is the end all be all. i think his music and peformance are IT as far as music of our time goes, and wanted to once again enjoy that in a live setting. If members are suppossed to have dibs on the best seats, they should be able to see. I used to work in marketing for Opera Omaha when they first starting bringing Broadway shows to Omaha and we used the dreaded Ticketmaster to assign seating. The computer program picks the best seats based upon view, not just proximity to the stage, and tickets like ours, where the view is completely obstructed, are not assigned first and for some shows are not even sold. Friends of ours who ordered tickets 12 hours later than we did were in row 4, but around to the left, so they had awesome seats. being in row 1 isn't being in the "FRONT ROW" when for 85% of the show prince is the equivalent of a t least 12 rows away and if you're tall you're seeing the back of his head through metal poles and if you're short you see him from a distance and only briefly. Plain and simple, he virtually ignored by the npg logo and certaintly at no time did we feel like we had front row seats. My basic memory of the show is the back of his head obscured by the poles, etc, in front of my face. For an "in the round" show where "every seat is a good seat" I sure felt like I was sitting behind the stage at a regular concert. And I'm not being a "waa waa" baby as some contend. I just feel there should be more control over what seats that we are assigned. I long for the days when those who bought their tickets first got to select their seats BEFORE they handed over their hard earned money. and concerts were cheap back then! npgmc should really have more control over the seating assignments, and so should we as consumers. is there a direct phone number or email address or street address for npgmc?
Dudes this does NOT bode well... No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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At www.npgmc.com NPGMC member "KathyJ" posted:
You have my sympathy - obstructed view seats are definitely NOT the best seats in the house - not even close. My philosophy as a shortie is I don't have to be that close at a concert - but I do need to SEE the action to enjoy the show.
Something should be done about the seat/stage elevation and vantage points to guarantee at least a decent view of the show for these blocked seats OR these sections should not be sold. At the LoveSexy shows I sat in front row in the back section facing Sheila E. and had a wonderful vantage point all night -- so I know it is not impossible to design an "in the round" experience that all can be satisfied with. There are some very creative peeps on these boards who would love to help the NPGMC out on this issue. This really has me worried for the future concerts - as does the alpha order by last name seating - how is that "random"? I bought tix to 3 diff. shows and was hoping for 3 diff. views/diff. experiences each time - but this looks like I'd be in pretty much the same place each time... If they are going to do seating by last name at least flip it from Z-A some nights and then split the alphabet to start with the middle letters and some other RANDOM letter up front other nights. Putting myself in your shoes (which I may be really soon) I can definitely see why you'd be disappointed. Let's not just vent - let's try to come up with some solutions to help improve everyone's future concert experiences. Best, - Kathy J. Kathy - thanks for being a voice of reason in that loony bin. The only reason the venues are distributing tickets alphabetically is because the club doesn't bother to tell them to do otherwise...basically, they gots our money, and we'll take our seats as they give 'em to us. No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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It wasn't really, but in certain venues it has gone that way. The NPGMC did state that it is "up to the venue," which you know..it really shouldn't be up to the venue, you know? Oh well. I'm gonna think positive thoughts. I'm sure I could trade with someone who wants to get on stage if I get the (imo) shitty seats.
Plus, it seems that the stage is at different heights depending upon the venue as well.... No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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theblueangel said: It wasn't really, but in certain venues it has gone that way. The NPGMC did state that it is "up to the venue," which you know..it really shouldn't be up to the venue, you know? Oh well. I'm gonna think positive thoughts. I'm sure I could trade with someone who wants to get on stage if I get the (imo) shitty seats.
Plus, it seems that the stage is at different heights depending upon the venue as well.... i gotcha! yeah, i would rather be back about 5 rows or on the first level. my seats in la were the fucking bomb! | |
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Listen to THIS asshole...
He's "Huey" from www.npgmc.com and on the thread about the obstructed view seats, he said: JCingles,
Try as you might to avoid sounding like an ungrateful crybaby, that is precisely how you sound. I urge you to go to the Member Tickets subpage right now and look at any of the Presale events that are listed there. You'll notice that the words "Best Seats In The House" appear nowhere; instead, what you'll see is "Sections Closest 2 The Stage." Another astute member pointed this out to you after your first post, but you ignored that comment. Nevertheless, that same description, i.e., "Sections Closest 2 The Stage," was given when you bought your tickets, as well as when all of us bought our tickets. It has also been widely publicized that this tour is "in the round." If you interpreted, "Sections Closest 2 The Stage" and "in the round" to mean "I will be front row center and Prince will stand within 15 feet of and stare directly at me for the entire perfromance," that is on YOU. You should not blame Prince, the NPG Music Club, or anyone else for YOUR misinterpretation. You definitely should not denigrate the NPGMC or frighten other members in to thinking that their member tickets will be obstructed view. In other words, and as yet another astute member pointed out, you got exactly what you paid for: Sections Closest 2 The Stage. You may have chosen to use the shorthand "Best Seats," but that is not what you were promised. You hold yourself out as a true, long-term fan, then, because you didn't like your seats, you demand that someone from NPGMC get in contact with you. For what? YOU made a mistake. YOU misinterpreted (or altogether disregarded) the ACCURATE description of the seats you purchased. YOU came on the message board complaining about getting exactly what you paid for. Suddenly, I am reminded of that old adage, "Be careful what...." You know the rest. Huey No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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I do have to tell you something though a Scalper Actually approasched me at a concert . He was offering tickets for another show. I told him not Interested. | |
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Again, this does NOT bode well, people!!! It's kinda disgusting how little regard for the members the NPGMC has. Over at www.npgmc.com, member "mitchstevenson" posted the following: i went to the ames show, also had front row seats and right in front of the keyboards and could not see 90% of the show i rather would have been in the balcony No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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OK!!!
It's 6:45 a.m. on Easter Sunday and I just walked in the door after driving all night after the Champaign concert. Oh. My. God. We had front row seats, right next to the catwalk, near Johnny B. and I swear they were the best fucking seats in the house. SassyAss and I went fucking NUTS and I'm still high. Okay physically I'm starting to crash, but mentally I'm still jumping up and down. People call me rude...I wish we all were nude...I wish there was no black and white, I wish there were no rules... Maybe they've listened and lowered the stage, and/or removed onstage obstructions...plus we got damn lucky. GotDAMN!! I keep seeing people that went to the concert say it was really good but it definitely isn't their favorite Prince show. I beg to differ - last night was the best concert experience I've ever had - and I'm a whore for rock stars. (Okay, I'm a whore for truckers too, but let's not get into that on THIS forum.) Thank you Ivy and Chris for being part of the magic. I will NEVER forget it. And Jason, we WERE the magic, man. DON'T HOLD BACK!!!! No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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Well, I guess it was mostly luck.....at www.npgmc.com, bkpier posted:
I just returned from the Champaign concert. Great concert. However, the original poster was right. I, too, had seats behing the "NPG" sign and it blocked Prince for much of the concert. He sang a large portion of the concert sitting center stage and when he did, we couldn't see him. Truth is, I don't know why they even have the sign there unless they don't want Candy Dulfer to accidentally fall off the stage. Not only was the view blocked, but these seats cannot see the video screens. If the center of the stage could only be raised about six inches, this would have helped incredibly. The concert was incredible, Prince was in top form, and I wouldn't trade the experience for anything. I did go away feeling as though I watched the show from seats behind the stage. Still, when he made a trip to our side of the stage, I forgot all about the times I couldn't see him. Maybe I'll have more luck in the seat lottery at another stop in the tour.
...and then followed that up with: By the way, the section behind the "NPG" sign is probably only about a tenth of the floor seating - maybe even less. Odds are you will NOT be in this section so don't spend too much time worrying. Also, they only had five rows in the section behind the sign. There were two rows behind this that were marked OD and those seats obviously weren't sold. Again, odds are you'll have a great seat - I just don't think they should sell the seats behind the sign unless they are designated "Obstructed View".
An idea that would help - an LCD panel showing the concert video placed beneath the NPG sign. The panel would have to be at stage level or lower so that it would not furthe block the view of those in the first row or two. I'm sure I'll be labeled a whiner. I understand that an In The Round setup means some blocked views some of the time. Having a blocked view for well over half the concert was a bit much. My biggest consolation - I got to watch a LOT of Candy Dulfer. She's gorgeous and talented, but I really came to see Prince. Does anyone remember this being a problem in Lovesexy? That was an extremely well-staged in-the-round show. I didn't see an NPG sign from where I was sitting...is it really just a sign? Is it covering something or is it just an advertisement? No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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If I get these crappy seats at one of the shows I go to with my family, I'll throw a fucking fit before the concert starts...if they don't give me other seats then I'll get my money back, because you can't sell obstructed view seats without designating them as such. That's why the rows behind him were empty...because Ticketmaster couldn't/wouldn't sell them.
And take down the motherfucking NPG sign! It's a bummer that this guy just randomly had SUCH a worse experience than me and my friends did...if I had been in his seat, I wouldn't be feeling much except disappointment right now. No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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theblueangel said: OK!!!
There is nothing like seeing Prince with people you love the most. I was so glad you were there. I love you, Andrew. It's 6:45 a.m. on Easter Sunday and I just walked in the door after driving all night after the Champaign concert. Oh. My. God. We had front row seats, right next to the catwalk, near Johnny B. and I swear they were the best fucking seats in the house. SassyAss and I went fucking NUTS and I'm still high. Okay physically I'm starting to crash, but mentally I'm still jumping up and down. People call me rude...I wish we all were nude...I wish there was no black and white, I wish there were no rules... Maybe they've listened and lowered the stage, and/or removed onstage obstructions...plus we got damn lucky. GotDAMN!! I keep seeing people that went to the concert say it was really good but it definitely isn't their favorite Prince show. I beg to differ - last night was the best concert experience I've ever had - and I'm a whore for rock stars. (Okay, I'm a whore for truckers too, but let's not get into that on THIS forum.) Thank you Ivy and Chris for being part of the magic. I will NEVER forget it. And Jason, we WERE the magic, man. DON'T HOLD BACK!!!! | |
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Love you too, baby...last night was one for the record books!!!!
I just wish I coulda hung out witchall a bit longer... No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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theblueangel said: OK!!!
It's 6:45 a.m. on Easter Sunday and I just walked in the door after driving all night after the Champaign concert. Oh. My. God. We had front row seats, right next to the catwalk, near Johnny B. and I swear they were the best fucking seats in the house. SassyAss and I went fucking NUTS and I'm still high. Okay physically I'm starting to crash, but mentally I'm still jumping up and down. People call me rude...I wish we all were nude...I wish there was no black and white, I wish there were no rules... Maybe they've listened and lowered the stage, and/or removed onstage obstructions...plus we got damn lucky. GotDAMN!! I keep seeing people that went to the concert say it was really good but it definitely isn't their favorite Prince show. I beg to differ - last night was the best concert experience I've ever had - and I'm a whore for rock stars. (Okay, I'm a whore for truckers too, but let's not get into that on THIS forum.) Thank you Ivy and Chris for being part of the magic. I will NEVER forget it. And Jason, we WERE the magic, man. DON'T HOLD BACK!!!! i feel you completely! this was one of the best experiences i've had at a prince show. not only for his performances but getting to know a few cool people a little bit better...what is better? ivy, andrew, chris...you guys rock and i'd love to do it again with you all sometime! | |
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I think it depends on the venue. I had seats one level above floor in a stadium and they were great. I could see everything. You should expect the fans on the floor to stand and then you are taking your chances. Prince did a great job playing to all sides of the stadium. | |
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When I was at the Indy show, I was in the 19th row in the risers - I couldn't help but feel lucky for that when I saw the rows and rows and rows of floor seats - other than the seats arranged right up close surrounding the stage, it looked like some kind of school assembly down there - as a shortish person, I would have been majorly peeved if I'd been in, say, the 10th row or farther in those floor seats. At least where I was sitting, we got a perfect view of everything, without the obstruction of someone's wide head in front of me! | |
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Yeah, you were indeed lucky Anxiety...when I went to Columbus with my dad, we both were on the floor, third row, and our view was virtually completely obstructed by Renato and the keyboard set-up (including the "NPG" sign) the whole night. And we're both 6 foot.
I think that the only way to make sure you really get a decent seat is to either buy through TM - or, if you also want to get a shot at GREAT seats, you should buy through TM and the club, and then get to the venue early and sell the worst seats outside to the scalpers. You could probably even make some of your money back on the tickets you end up keeping...and that way you'd be sure to have either a GREAT club seat on the floor, with an unobstructed view (preferably at the front of the stage) OR you'd have close seats in the risers where you can relax and see everything. God bless my dad though, he still fucking loved it. No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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Okay, I'm looking for tickets for the 6/18 show in MPLS...and check this out...the floor seats are almost HALF the cost of the (technically much farther away from the stage) lower level seats....
Obviously, the floor seats are far from "premium." Sec: E4 Row: 9 9TH ROW RIGHT CENTER $125.00 3 13 Sec: W1 Row: 10 10TH ROW RIGHT CENTER $125.00 5 1235 Sec: W1 Row: 9 9TH ROW RIGHT CENTER $125.00 5 1235 Sec: W2 Row: 13 13TH ROW CENTER $125.00 12 1234567891012 Sec: W3 Row: 13 13TH ROW CENTER $125.00 14 12345678910111214 Sec: 108 Row: 4 LOW ROW * AISLE SEAT $195.00 2 2 Sec: 115 Row: 8 2ND BEST LOWER LEVEL SECTION $210.00 2 2 Sec: 104 Row: 11 BEST LOWER LEVEL SECTION $220.00 2 2 Sec: 118 Row: 6 2ND BEST LOWER LEVEL SECTION $220.00 2 No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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Clearly some NPGMC members got good seats, some got great seats, and some got totally shitty seats. Ther is probalby no science involved in how the NPGMC hands out tix...they don't take into account what obstructions will be in front of you. So it is a crapshoot and of course it would suck to get a bad seat.
But the tour is in-the-round and everyone with half a brain knows that floor seats aren't always good with this type of tour. So it's a gamble that you willingly took if you bought a ticket. | |
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Well, I think that you're confusing "anyone with half a brain" with "anyone who has ever been to a concert in the round in a large arena."
I've never seen a concert in the round...most of the concerts I go to are in much much smaller venues. Therefore, I had no idea that the seating would be so.....um, randomly good and HORRIBLE on the floor. I kinda assumed that nobody with any kind of business ethics would sell obstructed view seats (which are supposedly the best in the house, right? I mean, that's why everyone buys through the presale rather than waiting). Of course, my dumb ass forgot that the NPGMC does not HAVE ethics. Seriously people....go look at some online ticket brokers and what they're selling the tickets for. The floor seats that are in the "corners" (which are the virtually completely obstructed ones) are about half as much as seats in the fucking upper deck. There's a reason for that. I did think from the beginning that it was totally shady of the club not to tell you where your seats were when you bought your ticket. In fact, I still don't see any reason in the world for that, other than the fact that they knew a certain percent of these advance seats would be shitty as hell. [This message was edited Wed Apr 21 21:02:32 2004 by theblueangel] No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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I will give EXTREME Thanks to the NPGMC. I Received 2nd Row for Penn State and I was SOOO Happy. I was like I Cannot is this Really True? It Was and I am So Grateful. The show was Wonderful and all the Traveling I do is Worth it For Prince. Plus Penn State was So Cool a place. I Loved the Whole Scene. I dug the Sport's Bar over there while watching Kevin Garnett and Minnesota won I do Believe. | |
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Zelaira, where were your seats in relation to the stage? As in, were you in the center of the stage, or on one of the sides, or on one of the corners?
I'm pretty damn certain that the NPGMC is putting "preferred" members in the primo center stage seats. No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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As I posted in the concert section (and got lots of shit for)...
The NPGMC seats really sucked... They said row 2, but were really third row... Couldn't see over the horn stand... Even when I stood up, could't see shit... I wonder if anyone from the production company actually takes a look at the view from various seating areas... I can't wait for the philly show...I'm hoping for seats that face a brick wall so I can just bang my head off of it when I tire of craning my neck...or i'll just wear a set of stilts...or maybe i'll just say "go-go-gadget neck extender...that's it, that's what i'll do... Peace Out, Trout!! | |
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