OK ...HELL-O, AND HOW-DY!!!

This Is fucking hilarious...


Im "ALWAYS" At the NPGMC...But if they ever start passing out the "kool-ade' , I aint drinking!!!
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Tom said:

That's why I've only posted twice since I joined months ago. The Club used ta be bout somethin.
Now, it ain't nothin but the watered-down, overly-censored crocks of shit they call forums.

To this day, I still can't believe I charged $25 to my Visa for that.

Neversin said:

Neversin u are right on point!!!HAHAHAHAHAHA

nesci said:

Neecee, yeah we are always there... but unfortunately we sometimes don't know fact from fiction. The Prince Police just keep telling us...

enjoyniki said:

For real enjoy!!! i hear ya!!!

katt said:

Katt, I hear you. You put emphasise on the personal responsibility his fans have towards themselves. I put the emphasis onthe responsibility Prince has towards them (and the public in general).

In the end I must say that before he didn't used to emphasize living by "God's law" and didn't use to emphasise his alleged hate for money.

There is just something incredibely hypocritical about writing a line like this:

"Preacher, preacher is it true?
That Jesus wants me to give my money to the likes of you.
Ride around in your Lexus Coupe
Drive us to the cleaners in pinstripe suit
Preacher, that ain't truth!"

and then drive around in BMW's and meeting your fans for a 1000$ in a Armani suit (or whatever suit he was wearing) claiming you are talking "truth".

maybe he emphasises these things now because deep down he knows he ain't and hasn't been living according to God's law and the truth at all.

It is peoples own individual perception of what they "feel" an artist role is to be in relation to fams that leads them to be disgruntled. There is no contract stating that Prince or any other artist has to "act" a certain way!
What you are focusing on is the negative. Prince has plenty of good in him. If someone knew you and focused on your negative attributes how would "you" feel. And mind you the negative to you might be for someone else a positive. I am sure that the meet and "greed" as you call it was blown way out of proportion.

And even if there is some truth to the things that you write, it doesn't give folk the write to throw stones since they themselves are not perfect. That is the problem with people as a whole. Rather than trying to blow smoke or create a "flame", why don't you try to "simmer" down some of the bickering. You will feel a lot better. Even God grants forgiveness for whatever sins we commit. Try doing that yourself in this respect if you feel Prince has done a shameful act. Forgive him and move on.

BitterSweetTazz said:

Nice 2 see your religious ideal of loving your fellow man, tolerance and understanding in full effect u fucking egotistical PRICK. Have a Coke and a smile and lighten the fuck up.

theblueangel said:

U are SO banned! See, this is the 'no-bullSHIT attitude' that makes me love ya Blue - Welcome 2 'The Banished Ones' Dawg!

Running with Anx's idea of ANOTHER area added 2 the site - if it is THAT important 2 people 2 have on what IS primarily (supposedly at least) a MUSIC site, why dont they charge a further access charge 4 this?

$25 annual charge 4 a site with pretty paintwork,
$50 annual charge 4 a site with pretty paintwork and added xtra kool aid/bible study too...
Im sure we would then see who was a purple kool aid drinker, and who was a genuine lost soul searching 4 'enlightenment.'

'The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children.

And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you.

etc, etc. Im done.
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jojofran said:

No, there isn't but there is a law and there is something called "God's law". Sorry to see you aren't giving attention to that here.


How can you be so sure it was blown way out of proportion? The facts are that he charged it without blinking an eye. It was only "positive" for the ones who fail to see that they are idolising a man when they pay him 1000$ to meet and greet him. I honestly can't see how you can defend that.
If that makes me focusing on the negative then so be it. I know the source of the negativity comes from the one who claims he is about positivity but acts the opposite. That's all I'm saying.


Look Jojo, I'm not personally offended by Prince because of this. So I am really not the one who needs to forgive Prince. Instead I believe Prince should forgive himself and I hope for him he has it in him to do that, but quite frankly I doubt he even sees what's wrong.

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Abrazo said:

Isn't that line just the most ridiculous thing you've ever heard? I mean, on the one hand, I dig that lyric, because I agree with what he's saying...but on the other hand, he's saying it while preaching the Truth in his pin-striped suit and speeding around in his customized Purple Prowler...

How is it possible that he could write (and sing) that lyric and not realize how insanely, blatantly hypocritical it is?

theblueangel said:

dez wut im saying blue.

Anxiety said:

A RICH ONE!!!

Abrazo said:

That is nutz! Prince is providing people with music to purchase as with video's etc. How in the world is he driving fams to the cleaners? Should he give out his cd's for free? His talent has made him a lucrative amount of money and success, not his "preaching". I don't usually defend folk but you must be intentionally missing the point. The point is to get over it and move on. Yeah, if Prince were Jesus I can see your bitterness cuz Jesus was perfect! Prince is not! Your complaining on this matter is quite trivial. Noone is stating that you are 100%wrong for your point, but I am stating that the capability to forgive should outweigh the incessant need to accuse or find fault. The bible states that we are to be "freely" forgiving each other. That is the point. It also states that if your "brother" makes some false step before he is aware of it to settle matters with him and set things straight. As I addressed earlier, if indeed there was a genuine error or mistake made he would most likely be counciled on it.

I might also add that this search for stones to throw from certain fams will indeed cause Prince to pull away more. He is probably realizing as I did the "need" to seperate from people that do not believe as he does. You see what we have here is 2 entirely type of folk and maybe a portion in the grey area. People who want to learn more about spirituality, people who could care less about spirituality, and people who don't mind a discussion from time to time. Prince is on the level where he is trying to learn all he can to draw closer to God . Many people stated that the closer he goes towards spirituality the further he will get from fams. That is a factual statement because of threads such as these. There is black and white no grey.

Threads like this prove the bible correct when it states friendship with the world is enmity with God. People, Prince would like to "share" his beliefs and his "growing" spirituality but some will not have it! Many will continuously attack it and try to find fault with it, others will embrace it. There must be this division folks and I know that Prince has been trying to juggle certain issues and fams but I fear that for the most part he will sooner or later make the decision to pull away due to the very complaints and issues that we see here.

FYI, the minute I read "The Bible says that..." I skip right on down to the next post.

jojofran said:

WRRROOONNNG: Spirtuality & Religion are 2 completly different doctrines. prince left spirituality behind a long time ago. This is where fans who have no interest, do not understand, or (most importantly of all) have their OWN beliefs belittled have a problem. It is one thing 2 share your religious beliefs with others, it is quite another 2 make them feel bad 4 having a different point of view. I admire anyone who has found God and is happier 4 it, but the whole 'ram it down your throat and then come back 4 seconds/its 4 your own good' schpeel will just raise my hackles.

I agree with u on one thing tho - it IS black & white. There are no grey areas here 2 explore and expound upon, as unfortunate as that may be. It's a shame a certain someone can't see this anymore.

Whatever

jojofran said:

Nah, you are missing the point and making none yourself Jojo. The point made several times is that Prince acts the same as the preacher he bitches about. Nobody says he is Jesus. Gosh, were are not idol worshippers!


So basically you are saying that I "need to find fault". basically I am acting the bad guy. i justw ant to hurt Prince right? Nice try, but you know I don't need to find his faluts because they are right there for all to see with Prince's outrageous PUBLIC actions and hypocritical lyrics.


I am sure Prince has forgotten about forgiving cuz I have never seen or hear him doing it, especially not when it concerns his fans, band members or WB for that matter...Bitterness is a sad thing Jojo. It can blind your mind and together with illusions of fame and mastery lead to arrogance like thinking you can tell the world how to live and then do the straight opposite.

jojofran said:

You need to realize that he is handing the stones himself and that you are turning to throw stones yourself at fans allegedly throwing stones at Prince. You also need to realize that is not the end of the world or some evil masterplan to make Prince unhappy or whatever. This is plain and simple fans speaking their minds.

Defending Prince is not a healthy thing to do when he is plain and simple WRONG, Jojo. You are making NOTHING better with this rant.

Here is some unsollicited advice: Stop pretending that Prince doesn't throw stones himself either and that people shouldn't be free to talk about his outrageous actions. Hell, he is one of the most bitter stonethrowers himself. Like you said, once he makes his mind up he can be mad at people for the rest of his life. After 10 years and 8 years of his oh so precious "freedom" he is still bitching like a spoiled child at WB.

If he really wants to quit making music (which I doubt!) because he is offended by fans being offended by his actions then SO BE IT. It's SILLY!!!

Such silly personality doesn't have a chance to become old or succesful anyways, so he won't do that. And many others say he doesn't care one bit about what others say. So, what is it going to be?

PRINCE IS WRONG IN THIS JOJO. STOP DEFENDING SOMEONE WHO IS WRONG.

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jojofran said:

geezz Jojo ... Prince is not "sharing" he is saying what is the truth and not and selling his words and handshake. So he is preaching... and making MONEY.


meet and greeds?


What??? This division PRINCE CREATED must be here??? Who is portraying Prince as some holy man now? You are talking as if the Bible applies directly to how he treats his fans??!!

That's frankly and as politely put not a sane thing to believe. But if you and Prince really believe it and act on it then so be it. If he can't take critiscism he shouldnt be doing what he has been doing for 25 years already. And you shouldn't be here if you can't take it either.

Great! Thanks Jojo. You make everything so much easier by bringing in God and threats that Prince will quit because of threads like this. If you can't handle them, then don't read them.

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jojofran said:

Don't believe the hype from people who believe in and practice black and white only. That leads to discrimination, racism, closed mindedness, xenophobia, idolatry and bigotry. Instead trust your God, stop reading these threads and for the love of God stop believing what "many PEOPLE stated".

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[This message was edited Tue Jan 20 5:10:19 PST 2004 by Abrazo]

Well all I have to say is that I have loved princes music for a long time, but his music has influenced me at an early age to do things that NOW he doesn't advocate but descriminates against, these things one day may take my life, and I have him to thank for it,

So while hes making a profit off of SEX, and now trying to repent his ways and make profit off his new found RELIGIOUS teachings, maybe he better give me some for my pain and suffering caused by his major influence upon my life at a early age (which still effects me to this day).

Little man better get his shit straight all the way around and get shit right with his old fans whom Im sure I am not the only one to suffer because of his influence, BEFORE he trys to for a new base of fans who he has hand picked to praise him as a up-standing religious leader.

He better get his shit straight with those he has led astray instead of shutting us out and surrounding himself with only those that he can deal with, those that he now feels are doing the right thing people that never liked him because of his ungodly influence in his music, Prince is no angel, his little peice of heaven is gonna be lost if he trys to shut out those who was on his band wagon from the git.

Hes livin a false reality thinking he is righteous NOW,hmph, hes fucked up alot of people by his new religious standards now. When is it time for his conffession and to really face his music?

You are totally missing the point! Again and again. Nevertheless, you are entitled to your opinion. See I didn't necessarily want to bring in bible passages and things of that nature but how can you not? It is black and white and the bible says that. Since Prince is not my leader, reverend, pastor, etc. he doesn't effect me in the slightest bit! He can only effect you if you put him on that pedestal. That is why you have disgruntlement. To judge him on his mistakes lead to you yourself being judged in God's eyes. You do not know if he feels regret or remorseful for his action or not! You don't "know" Prince at all! Neither do I, but I know the bible and what it says on forgiveness and "straws and rafters" is quite clear. If you wish me to go further you can orgnote me. No person, no matter how "holy" they are is beyond mistakes. Should we all stop preaching?? Should we all stop teaching?? All of us are sinful and are going to make mistakes every single day! Some major and some minor! The key is to be cognisant of them and to make the changes once we "realize" that we did. NUff said.

JoJo makes a lot of sense. If folks didn't look up to Prince like they do, they wouldn't be so heated when he does or says something they don't like. It'd be a lot easier to let his actions roll off your back if you looked at him as he is. An imperfect human. No more, no less.
Also, Prince is not being hypocritical when he speaks of the preacher in "Family Name". He's not in church passing any plates. He's a musician (albeit JW's are teachers). The difference is that we all have the right to either buy his music or not. Nothing is being rammed down anyone's throat. If you don't like the lyrics, you certainly don't have to listen to them.
Why would a person listen to something that offends them over and over again anyway??
Again, Prince is an imperfect human. Nothing more, nothing less.
Let's all just have a beer and love one another, o.k??

jojofran said:

I am only responding to the bolded part because it gives credence to what I am about to say as it exemplifies ALL of the problems at NPGMC. (and in a roundabout way, what is wrong with the world) See jojofran, you forget that the Bible doesn't mean shit to a lot of people. Statements like "it is black and white and the bible says that" mean NOTHING to people who are not Christian which is a VERY large percent of the world. And I am not only talking about people who claim other religious faiths, because many of them (i.e. Muslims) accept Jesus as a prophet and (some portions) of the Bible as sacred text, but NOT the deification of the man, idea of the trinity, etc. There are also those of us who view the Bible as a series of stories, recorded history merged in with prophetic teachings of a man named Jesus- political activist, healer, etc. and his followers who may or may not have existed. The bible says things aren't black and white, well so does my grandmother and so did my great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother.

Look, pretend I say to you "the car drove down the street ". What would your reaction be? That's how I and many other people feel when you say "it is black and white and the bible says that". Christians, from what I've experienced in life and on NPGMC are so caught up in their religiosity that they cannot fathom that because someone thinks differently than they in terms of their concept of God, humanity, etc. that they automatically become defensive or go on the offense when non-Christian thought is brought up.

I think people adhere to various religions because that is how their family has functioned in society. I was told I was Catholic because my dad was and I was baptized at 6 months old and goshdarnit, you just are a Catholic! Most people don't even think to question what it means to be a Christian...where does Christian thought come from? how does it affect your work ethic? relationships? family structure? etc...

Christianity is a very new religion and a large portion of the world, generally referred to as "The East", functions without the Bible as the core of it's society...despite the fact that we are taught we have separation of church and state in the USA, this is a Christian society. Look at what is deemed "family values", how this nation was founded, our workweek, the holidays the government observes, the basis for our family structure, etc.

I guess the main reason I'm posting this now is because I'm REALLY tired of posting over there. I realize there is a contingent of people on here who think NPGMC just sucks ass and anyone who posts over there is nuts and got fed up with Prince's religiosity awhile ago. So, it's late for me but oh well.

In short, I was getting ready to get all fired up for some SENSIBLE political discussions regarding the upcoming Presidential elections and all that it entails. I noticed a sudden increase in JW-based postings re: the government of God, who is really in charge, blah blah blah. I can clearly see any rational discussion about US voter apathy, global politics, interconnected historical events, etc. will go down the tubes with the "and the Bible says..." Why? Because this again demonstrates the supreme arrogance of Christians who assume everyone holds the Bible in some level of esteem and if they don't, it's because somethings wrong with them and they must be taught. I honestly don't even think it's done intentionally by all, it's just an inbred result of living in a Christian society.

I don't know where I'm going with this or even if I'm in the right thread. But I think it has something to do with why the Bible Study should be totally separate for those who are interested. (I think)

Wow. BRILLIANT post, beautifulone7. A beacon of light in a bloated purple velvet wasteland. Whatever that means.

I think that JW's ideas on not participating in politics smacks of supreme arrogance and apathy - and I think it's ethically irresponsible to promote the idea that a group of people is better off without taking part in the democratic process. (Not that I don't realize that process is fucked up...but so what, you just withdraw all the way? OK, then I don't EVER want to hear a JW complain about a politician, b/c they didn't vote.)

Anyway. Your post knocked me on my ass and filled me with optimism.

theblueangel said:

You're right, the process is flawed, and the world of politics is filled with corruption. But JWs are taught to rely on God. A person who chooses to live their life according to bible principals would be a hypocrite if they turned around and put their trust in imperfect men.
Trust me, ya won't hear me complaining about any politician, because I could never bring myself to put my hope in such people in the first place.

OdysseyMiles said:

I disagree. Only a person who lived their life according to JW Bible principles, which are way different than those Biblical principles of many other Christian groups. Many, many Christians are active in the political process. Jesus himself was a great political revolutionary in my opinion.

And my interest is politics is not about "hope" in men. It is about proactively living in the world instead of twiddling my thumbs waiting for "God's Kingdom" to reappear. I do not want to be like the proverbial Emperor Nero who fiddled while Rome burned.

Quite frankly, it amuses me, the JW doctrine of political inactivity, if I may call it that. The USA grants all citizens Freedom of Religion, which is why JW's have been allowed to flourish here, yet they are persecuted in many other countries. (i.e. the Republic of Georgia, according to a post I read over there) It is the government of the US which has the systems in place that allow them to print their Watchtower leaflets, the permits to build Kingdom Halls, keep their lights on, prints the money they use...pretty much enjoy all the day to day activities that most US citizens take for granted. Even using the internet!

So, they'll utilize all of the governments resources but won't "support it"?

Also wasn't former President Dwight D. Eisenhower a JW? I asked that of one in chat, but they made a quick exit before answering.

theblueangel said:

Thanks. :blush:

beautifulone7 said:

you know i totally agree. i mean, people die for the right to participate in the political system and to determine the course of their own destiny. imo only a backward thinker would want to give that up. and yes i know the system is corrupt. but even so it's still one of the best around, and the underlying concept is worth fighting for

my opinion is that any religious doctrine that encourages its members to remove themselves from something so crucial to their own wellbeing just plain can't be good for the mind