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imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said: XxAxX said: is that why you're complaining about the club?
it is exactly why. i was suckered. but, i can only be suckered once. and now i'll go back to only buying the music as opposed to joining some club. if there will be music. You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said: Universaluv said: imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said: Abrazo said: imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said: if you don't like what i say and you want me out of there, that's fine. according to the law, it is your site and you can do as you wish with my membership. the only thing i am entitled to, as the paying cutomer, is a reason the explains why the decision was made.
i want the updates that i paid for. sure, i can get them here just as quick but this is not the point. the point is i paid to get the news from them but the news updates and info on getting tickets are now included in that ban. that is fraud. they advertised something and do not provide it.
according to your first statement an explanation is all they owe you. according to your second statement the commit fraud adn breach of contract for not providing you acces to news. What's it going to be?  its curious tha you chose to omit other parts of my post. here it is, just in case you missed it: i want the updates that i paid for. sure, i can get them here just as quick but this is not the point. the point is i paid to get the news from them. now, the news is part of a forum that i am banned from. banned from posting on message boards because they feel offended them. fine, ok. i can't post messages. but the news updates and info on getting tickets are now included in that ban. that is fraud. they advertised something and do not provide it. what its going to be is this. i just want them to stick by what they say. if you want to ban me from the whole site, in general, than do that. if you want to ban me from only the message boards, fine, then do that. but make up your mind and explain the decision. otherwise its contradictory. i don't even get the emails they send out. oh yeah, and y'all are some argumentative muthafuckas up in here.  Well, if this is about what you're "entitled to" then you're entitled to what the membership agreement (or CONtract ) says you're entitled to. If it says they can ban you at will, without explanation, then that's what your entitled to. If it says they can ban you, but only with an explanation, then that's what your entitled to.
Now I'm not saying that it's good business practice to ban members with or without explanation, I'm just saying that the membership agreement outlines what you are and are not entitled to. you're absolutely right. from what i understand, they can ban you at will if you break a rule. conveniently (and this is why i have mad respect for l.londell) there are no rules set in stone. this way, they can be created as they go. the sad thing in all of this is that we are talking about a music club. Don't expect a judge to say it's okay to ban people who paid for your service at will. You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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ooops. double post edit [This message was edited Sun Dec 14 7:27:33 PST 2003 by XxAxX] | |
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i would not be surprised if our 25$ 'donations' went to prince's church, and it would surprise me even less if technically his website is considered a ministry. i just don't think it's about the music anymore | |
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Abrazo said: Don't expect a judge to say it's okay to ban people who paid for your service at will.
Oh heck, this is getting all legal now. Well, first I wouldn't expect anyone to hire a lawyer and take it to a judge over a $25 fee. Wanna piss off a judge? Bring a $25 case to court. Generally, club memberships are not unconditional. To the extent that members have agreed to join a club that by its own terms can limit their access at will, then you really don't have much of a legal case. Don't like the terms, don't join the club. Hey I'm not saying it's right or good business practice or that I'mnotsayingthis shouldn't be pissed. Just that if the discussion is centered on what someone is "entitled to" as a customer, then they should first consult the membership agreement. Now if this is about equity, then that's altogether different. . [This message was edited Sun Dec 14 11:40:29 PST 2003 by Universaluv] | |
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Universaluv said: Abrazo said: Don't expect a judge to say it's okay to ban people who paid for your service at will.
Oh heck, this is getting all legal now. Well, first I wouldn't expect anyone to hire a lawyer and take it to a judge over a $25 fee. Wanna piss off a judge? Bring a $25 case to court. Generally, club memberships are not unconditional. To the extent that members have agreed to join a club that by its own terms can limit their access at will, then you really don't have much of a legal case. Don't like the terms, don't join the club. Hey I'm not saying it's right or good business practice or that I'mnotsayingthis shouldn't be pissed. Just that if the discussion is centered on what someone is "entitled to" as a customer, then they should first consult the membership agreement. Now if this is about equity, then that's altogether different. . [This message was edited Sun Dec 14 11:40:29 PST 2003 by Universaluv] lol... Universallove... been some time since we last dicussed the club! I didn't try to say that you should sue for 25$, but,,, people can get a class action suiton the way... And I agree, a case wouldn't be easy due to the lack of freedom they are entitled to give their members, so I wasn't trying to say it was a good case, but... even the tightest membership agreement can't stand the test of reason and equity if people are banned at will. There must have been some violation of the agreement in order to ban and the banishment should be proportionate, i.e. only include the features and services of the club where the member violated the agreement. If it is not reasonable, the consumer's case gets stronger. So yes, ultimately it is about equity. You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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Abrazo said: lol... Universallove... been some time since we last dicussed the club! I didn't try to say that you should sue for 25$, but,,, people can get a class action suiton the way... And I agree, a case wouldn't be easy due to the lack of freedom they are entitled to give their members, so I wasn't trying to say it was a good case, but... even the tightest membership agreement can't stand the test of reason and equity if people are banned at will. There must have been some violation of the agreement in order to ban and the banishment should be proportionate, i.e. only include the features and services of the club where the member violated the agreement. If it is not reasonable, the consumer's case gets stronger. So yes, ultimately it is about equity. Practically speaking, I'd be surprised if it'd be possible to certify a class for a class action. But that's going way off on a tangent. As far as what's reasonable or fair, imo that's a case by case basis. In general, if a member feels that they haven't been treated fairly, then that's something they should adress, either by trying to fix the situation or by voting with their feet and not joining again. | |
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Universaluv said: Abrazo said: lol... Universallove... been some time since we last dicussed the club! I didn't try to say that you should sue for 25$, but,,, people can get a class action suiton the way... And I agree, a case wouldn't be easy due to the lack of freedom they are entitled to give their members, so I wasn't trying to say it was a good case, but... even the tightest membership agreement can't stand the test of reason and equity if people are banned at will. There must have been some violation of the agreement in order to ban and the banishment should be proportionate, i.e. only include the features and services of the club where the member violated the agreement. If it is not reasonable, the consumer's case gets stronger. So yes, ultimately it is about equity. Practically speaking, I'd be surprised if it'd be possible to certify a class for a class action. But that's going way off on a tangent. As far as what's reasonable or fair, imo that's a case by case basis. In general, if a member feels that they haven't been treated fairly, then that's something they should adress, either by trying to fix the situation or by voting with their feet and not joining again. whatever is legally possible, I have no doubt in my mind that fixing the situation with disgruntled members isn't the npgmc's priority. Obviously people should just not join again if they feel they have been treated unfairly, but surely that will not make right what went wrong and is probably not something a reasonable judge would say... -- [This message was edited Sun Dec 14 14:12:32 PST 2003 by Abrazo] You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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Abrazo said: imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said: XxAxX said: is that why you're complaining about the club?
it is exactly why. i was suckered. but, i can only be suckered once. and now i'll go back to only buying the music as opposed to joining some club. if there will be music. nope. regardless of what is offered, i won't join again. i would be a fool to do that. i don't like his business ethic and i don't feel as though he values the people who join. i can get the music online or from friends or, at worst, ebay. | |
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Universaluv said: Abrazo said: Don't expect a judge to say it's okay to ban people who paid for your service at will.
Oh heck, this is getting all legal now. Well, first I wouldn't expect anyone to hire a lawyer and take it to a judge over a $25 fee. Wanna piss off a judge? Bring a $25 case to court. Generally, club memberships are not unconditional. To the extent that members have agreed to join a club that by its own terms can limit their access at will, then you really don't have much of a legal case. Don't like the terms, don't join the club. Hey I'm not saying it's right or good business practice or that I'mnotsayingthis shouldn't be pissed. Just that if the discussion is centered on what someone is "entitled to" as a customer, then they should first consult the membership agreement. Now if this is about equity, then that's altogether different. . [This message was edited Sun Dec 14 11:40:29 PST 2003 by Universaluv] you really are absolutely correct. i would never even consider bringing a case up over 25 bucks. besides the fact that we're talking about $25, i'm a full time student and worker. who has time for that craziness. the agreement i entered when i joined put me at their whim. oh well, i'll deal with it, lol. i joined because i liked the previous installment of the club and i was hoping for a chance to get decent tickets and a soundcheck but, honestly, if i'm going to pay for a rip off service just to get tickets for a show, i'll just pay ticketmaster, lol. as for the soundcheck...other than to tell him what a hypocrite he is, i have no desire to meet prince. | |
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imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said: Abrazo said: imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said: XxAxX said: is that why you're complaining about the club?
it is exactly why. i was suckered. but, i can only be suckered once. and now i'll go back to only buying the music as opposed to joining some club. if there will be music. nope. regardless of what is offered, i won't join again. i would be a fool to do that. i don't like his business ethic and i don't feel as though he values the people who join. i can get the music online or from friends or, at worst, ebay. What would you do if the new year started with the announcement that Prince is finally giving acces to the real vault with all the past unreleased gems, untouched, unedited and in crystal clear quality... The only thing you would have to do is join and pay 200$ up front, no guarantees of delivery, or specifics on how much... would you do it? You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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Abrazo said: imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said: Abrazo said: imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said: XxAxX said: is that why you're complaining about the club?
it is exactly why. i was suckered. but, i can only be suckered once. and now i'll go back to only buying the music as opposed to joining some club. if there will be music. nope. regardless of what is offered, i won't join again. i would be a fool to do that. i don't like his business ethic and i don't feel as though he values the people who join. i can get the music online or from friends or, at worst, ebay. What would you do if the new year started with the announcement that Prince is finally giving acces to the real vault with all the past unreleased gems, untouched, unedited and in crystal clear quality... The only thing you would have to do is join and pay 200$ up front, no guarantees of delivery, or specifics on how much... would you do it? Let's start a rumour!  Just somewhere in the middle,
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KeithyT said: Abrazo said: imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said: Abrazo said: imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said: XxAxX said: is that why you're complaining about the club?
it is exactly why. i was suckered. but, i can only be suckered once. and now i'll go back to only buying the music as opposed to joining some club. if there will be music. nope. regardless of what is offered, i won't join again. i would be a fool to do that. i don't like his business ethic and i don't feel as though he values the people who join. i can get the music online or from friends or, at worst, ebay. What would you do if the new year started with the announcement that Prince is finally giving acces to the real vault with all the past unreleased gems, untouched, unedited and in crystal clear quality... The only thing you would have to do is join and pay 200$ up front, no guarantees of delivery, or specifics on how much... would you do it? Let's start a rumour! consider it done! You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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I support NPGMC 100% | |
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undulatingacrobat said: I support NPGMC 100%
Um...and? Do you have a point? Are you talking about the topic of this thread? If so, then you're saying you think my post WAS worthy of my banishment from the club I paid for...right? It's cool if that's your opinion, but I'm just not sure from your quizzically "supportive" post. No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
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undulatingacrobat said: I support NPGMC 100%
hahaha | |
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theblueangel said: undulatingacrobat said: I support NPGMC 100%
Um...and? Do you have a point? Are you talking about the topic of this thread? If so, then you're saying you think my post WAS worthy of my banishment from the club I paid for...right? It's cool if that's your opinion, but I'm just not sure from your quizzically "supportive" post. Dude, u know what to do now, stop supporting him.. cause its gettin heptic in the npg latley.. and it blows.. | |
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XxAxX said: i would not be surprised if our 25$ 'donations' went to prince's church, and it would surprise me even less if technically his website is considered a ministry. i just don't think it's about the music anymore
Well everyone and the media will soon know when he files his taxes. | |
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Anxiety said: 
It was a mercy killing. 
His post had a certain...naiive charm...but no...muscle! | |
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I think what u wrote was more than reasonable!!
And i cant believe they just kick soemone off with no explanation. Its just madness. I never post there, just cant be assed with it, too many butt-kissing god-botherers there. No one ever became extremely wicked suddenly. | |
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