If anyone is wondering who moderates over there.
He checked his ping file and it goes
from Chicago to Minneapolis "PaisleyPark9"


Which means probably:
SAM of SamNATION is trying to spy on members computers who he chooses to. My advice is if anyone has any contact with NPGMC you should check to see who has tried to get in to your system.

This all happened because of a disagreement of what was said over something not even a big deal.

BY THE WAY if anyone wants the Log he snapshot the evidence also. He just found it humorous that even the NPGMC breaks the rules dealing with Club interaction.

I can send it. Let me know if anyone wants to see it.

Trickology said:

I didn't think it was any big secret that Samnation = PP9.

Or is it?

I'm fairly certain PP9 isn't him ALL the time, though...but that's just a theory.

I'm not sure what all this file-peeking stuff is about, or who's zoomin' who or when or how or whatnot, but the whole thing sounds shady.

Now I know the rumors about Sam are pretty frequent, but looking into peoples computers? Is this the New power family values in effect here?

He has the evidence of the trace file. How good do you this makes NPGMC look? I'm saying it aint exactly on the up.

Imagine if the shoe was on the other foot?

I think it would be completely different.

Wait, I'm having a hard time deciphering what you're writing. Are you saying YOU discovered this, or someone told you? Your choice of pronouns is confusing me - I'm not saying that to rag on you, honest - I really wanna understand what it is you're saying here.

So unzip yer fly and whip us out some of that evidence, yo.

you're referring to your friend's firewall log, Trickology? yeah there are retard folx out there who try breakin into other people's computers. that sux.

last year someone masquerading as an NMPGC person sent me an email with a link and the words 'i wish you'd go here'. i checked the return addy on that email against the true NPGMC email return addy and they didn't match. when i asked about the link i was advised against clicking on it as it likely contained something nasty. so i didn't. when i got more emails i'm afraid i got kinda nasty to the sender and never have received another. hopefully, it wasn't someone actually trying to be nice

this was around the time i was vocal about not wanting to hear larry's graham's two songs again and again and what with the backlash i received here i kinda figured some over-excited fan was havin' at me via the emailed file.

it's scary to go to websites and know that when you contact them you're basically giving them license to put cookies 'n creme on your hard drive...

these days when i sign off i generally delete the cached files and temp.internet files my puter's picked up after visiting a few websites. then i run a scan

ps: i should add my friend received an emailed link that messed up her computer something nasty. so, the moral of my diatribe -yes! there IS one- is use an electro-condom or abstain entirely, online.

what im saying anxiety is this:
They dont practice what they preach.

But is it no surprise?

Trickology said:[quote]My advice is if anyone has any contact with NPGMC you should check to see who has tried to get in to your system.
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how does one check this?

Trickology said:

no
surprise

pp9
been
frustrated
lately

here it is from where Im at in NE Ohio. Your friend might be jumping to conclusions. Thats how all info passes through the internet, it bounces across multiple locations.

If someone was moderating the npgmc site from chicago, the info would technically go to the npgmc site first then be sent to the person in chicago.
[This message was edited Thu Nov 27 4:24:02 PST 2003 by Tom]

Show me the IP addresses of the mods and at what time they were in use and i'll tell you down to a specific cityblock where the traffic originates ... as for the info posted here so far, nothing can be conluded from it (how in the hell do you make the leap from a "ping log" to a username on a web forum?).

imnotsayinthisjust2bnasty said:[quote]

Trickology said:

he's talking about your firewall 'inbound event' log.

if you're using a firewall you'll see an enormous number of attempts to access your computer hard drive. if you're not using a firewall - chances are good someone is accessing your computer hard drive

i don't think the trace function on the inbound events works very well because for one thing IP addresses change but for another like tom said the data bounces all over the place.

just be aware that there is someone masquerading as the npgmc who sends out nasty shit in the form of downloads and links.

XxAxX said:

Sorry there XxAxX, but this is such nonsense ... when you have one of these personal firewalls installed you will see loads of "sniffing" ... these are automated scripts that run all over the internet that scan your computer for possible vulnerabilities. This is a *long* way from actually accessing someone's harddrive.
Personal firewalls like to refer to these sniffs as "attacks", but it's just marketing hype making you believe that you need to spend a bundle on their security wares.
In general, if you keep your computer up to date (all major operating systems have automatic update capabilities now, use them) you have nothing to worry about. Security nowadays is much more about knowing what you run on your PC... never run anything without being 100% confident you can trust the source.

If you're really concerned about having some sort of Trojan on your computer, in addition to having a good up to date AV and firewall on your system, try running Webroot Spysweeper. I've seen this program pick up stuff like RedHand and WinWhatWhere on peoples computers that Norton was ignoring.

Like m3ta mentioned, people will constantly sniff for infected computers. If you were running the SubSeven client on your computer, for example, you could check an entire IP range to find people who are infected with it. By default the subseven trojan uses port 27374 unless the person who configured it changes that. So if I was lookin for people, id scan a range of IPs through that port. If any one of those people had a firewall running, and it detected activity on port 27374, they would get a notice that someone was trying to connect to them with Sub7. It doesnt mean their system was infected with it.

m3taverse said:

i don't think it's total nonsense, tom. there's a huge difference between normal 'pings' and when someone or something hits your computer two - to three times per second on every consecutive port for thirty minute (or more) periods at a time

nor do i believe that there is 'nothing to worry about' and therefore no need for the use of a firewall or additional security on the internet. sorry, not taking your word for this. the reason is i've already removed a trojan and several sets of adware from my hard drive, using the security system

if you're a computer techie type then ou probably do know more about this than i but even so another techie (with visible credentials) told me to archive several logs i've accumulated over the past couple of weeks and send them in for further scrutiny

ps: mind you i'm NOT saying the NPGMC is a secret hacker org, i'm just mentioning my personal experience in the context of having received a suspicious emailed link purporting to be from the NPGMC

XxAxX said:

m3ta wrote that not me

oh fer...sorry tom.

m3taverse i meant

lets say someone did access ur pc...what have u got on urs that no one else has?? Are u a secret government spy or summit...relax!!!

butter said:

How'd you feel if someone would look into your (snail mail) post? If he'd tear open your letters?

Not mentioning that there's an obvious increase in cases of identity theft. You'll be surprised how easily information on yourself can be collected just via the web. Albeit, these are just bits and pieces. Put them together and they'll work quite well together when sending out spam mail.

Also, as soon as you're doing any online transactions like eCommerce (ebay, amamzon, whatever...) there is quite a LOT information to collect from your PC. As long as you don't actively start setting up higher security standards (cookies, scripts, PGP, avoid storing passwords etc).

Remember what happened to rudedog just some weeks ago?

Wolf

wsenges said:

U can get information on anyone anywhere, u can get a birth certificate and then a passport no problem...its life...anyone that works in a bank can access ur stuff. Its why we pay insurance.

butter said:

well for example, besides some of my own projects i have some financial info on this computer. when my dad died two years ago i became one of the trustees for the family trust. we email back and forth with the trust attorney and that's actually some detailed financial shit i don't want any little hacker kiddies peeking at.

i guess it's possible that i'm overly paranoid about the issue of internet security. but i'd rather be paranoid than trusting in this day and age

XxAxX said:

So would it not make more sense to give it to a lawyer, what u gonna do if ur computer dies and u've lost it all? I find it really sad that people no longer trust, criminals/thiefs are always gonna be around, they have been since the start of history...its life, but u can't alter the way u live because of these people. I always trust people until they give me reason not to...including drug addicts, homeless etc. If u rely on technology to keep urself protected ur a fool because theives are always one step ahead, if technology and new security measures worked they wouldn't keep updating or bringing out new products. Twice I've been locked out of my house and had every new lock imaginable on my door and each time i had to ask a burglar to get me in, and he did in seconds the locks were useless when u know how to take em off from the outside.

Its a bit like never crossing a road for fear of being hit by a car.

If you have stuff on ur computer that u don't want someone to see then don't have it on there...what if ur house got broken into and they nicked ur computer.

butter said:

Are u high or soemthing?! This has nothing to do with the danger out there--it has to do with the unlawful act of accessing members computers! And since u are equating it (npgmc) with what goes on with criminals in society, that is quite telling! Aint a dman thing have to do with the cold cruel world thats out there..this is about npgmc accessing members computers and information that you have on your personal pc etc without permission! Just because the world is full of dangers doesnt make it right for them to do so? regradless of what's on ones pc! dont try to rationalize this ...wtf?!

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[This message was edited Mon Dec 1 0:45:43 PST 2003 by rdhull]

butter said:

hmmm yeah right, that DOES make sense ok now, forgive me for not continuing this discussion with ya 'k

rdhull said:

I guess I'm just very laid back and open but I'm not saying that it's ok for peeps to access ur stuff as far as I'm concerned if they really wanna do it they're gonna find a way and what goes around comes around but i'm not gonna get stressed about it. If u've nothing on ur computer in the first place then they've wasted their own time and money.If NPGMC are accessing ur pc then its no different to reading your mail, which in the UK is a jailable offence altho I'm not sure what the laws are regarding internet but I don't see how it's any different.

butter said:

the point is that the npgmc should not be accessing a damnnn thing on anyones computer. Period.

butter said:

Um. It's not uncommon for people's computers to have sensitive information.

I do all my banking online. The last thing I need is someone digging through my files pulling out information like my soc sec #, and login information.

I also have my clients ftp, email, domain registration, and other private info stored on it as well.

Also, you run the risk of your computer being hacked and used like a "zombie" computer to relay spam, send out viruses, and disguise the locations of shady domains.

There is ALOT you can dig up about someone, I don't care if youre mother theresa. Even something as simple as login information to a site you purchased something from could lead to accessing your account information, home address, etc...

Someone who has hacked your computer can send out attacks to thousands of other computers from yours. It all gets traced back to you.
[This message was edited Tue Dec 2 5:37:28 PST 2003 by Tom]

As somebody who may join the NPGMC next year could you briefly explain the risks raised above for me?