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Petition There is a petition over at princefams.com about the e-mail from npgmc. Sign it if you agree that we should receive compensation for the albums they want us to send to them.
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i disagree that people should receive compensation for sending in unoffical releases they shouldn't have had access to in the first place
if you're really and truly a fan then just send the freaking stuff in as requested for heaven's sake. even just one, if you have it | |
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XxAxX said: i disagree that people should receive compensation for sending in unoffical releases they shouldn't have had access to in the first place
if you're really and truly a fan then just send the freaking stuff in as requested for heaven's sake. even just one, if you have it But if it was distributed by Warner Bros., how is it something that we shouldn't have had access to in the first place? | |
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the point is WB's agreement with prince apparently did not include authorization to release material through an affiliated entity, in a foreign country.
remember now, WB did not allow prince to release material unless it was subject to the terms of their agreement, remember? they stifled his output in that regard while he was under contract with them. they should be brought to justice for this, and anyone who has copyrighted material which is released through a distribution agreement should support prince in this effort, imo, so that this practice does not go unchallenged. | |
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I'm not looking for NPGMC to buy bootlegs or WB unofficial cds from me. I just want a fair trade!!! NPGMC, trades are Welcome! Offer something for the fight. Say like post some live MP3s as a "thank you" for fans taking the time to send in boots/wb material, would be a lot better than a "fuck you". | |
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well, do what u want...
They say what they want... Everyone's happy... Peace y'all. | |
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well, for once, it seems that prince really truly needs our help.
the point of his gathering evidence in this fashion would be to prove that we, the consumers, obtained access to it through an unauthorized source. if i had any of that stuff i'd mail it off tomorrow. and, i'd actually feel good about doing so because (although i don't always like his methods) i support prince and believe that he is a fundamentally good guy. right now prince is probably feeling pretty chuffed at all this, trapped between WB's crap and us, his fans who are mocking him instead of supporting him when he really needs support. yeah yeah i don't know the guy personally, but i can imagine how i'd feel if my publisher violated my contract that way. i'd be freaking PISSED AS HELL!! and rightfully so, considering WB stifled his output during the years he was under contract, while (allegedly) violating their agreement with him simultaneously. so, to make a long reply even longer  , we will probably not receive a 'trade' or monetary compensation of any sort. however in the long run we will all benefit if prince succeeds in putting the squeeze on WB for doing this.
who knows? perhaps he will win a large settlement and throw the best celebration ever...or something. ok i'm blah blah blahing, but please if you do have this material send in even just one item. [This message was edited Thu Jul 24 16:03:29 PDT 2003 by XxAxX] | |
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XxAxX said: i disagree that people should receive compensation for sending in unoffical releases they shouldn't have had access to in the first place
if you're really and truly a fan then just send the freaking stuff in as requested for heaven's sake. even just one, if you have it The CDs are not unofficial. They are just part of a contractual dispute. By the way, how do you view the fact that Prince "illegally" gave Horny Pony away on the NPGMC? He signed a big fat contract in 93 and told them the song is theirs. And by the way, if you are really and truely a fan, why don't you own the CDs? . [This message was edited Thu Jul 24 18:11:14 PDT 2003 by SquirrelMeat] . |
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If you have a UPC code, why do you need the actual product? And if he DOES need the actual product, why not just directly contact certain acquaintances and club members who he knows have comprehensive collections, and try hitting THEM up first (you know in all these years, he's gotta be chummy with at least a COUPLE of the uber-uber-UBER-fans), rather than sending out a blanket e-mail that makes it sound like something outta Fahrenheit 451? | |
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XxAxX said: the point is WB's agreement with prince apparently did not include authorization to release material through an affiliated entity, in a foreign country.
remember now, WB did not allow prince to release material unless it was subject to the terms of their agreement, remember? they stifled his output in that regard while he was under contract with them. they should be brought to justice for this, and anyone who has copyrighted material which is released through a distribution agreement should support prince in this effort, imo, so that this practice does not go unchallenged. XXaXX, if WB committed the crime, why on earth should the consumer pay the fine??? We didn't do anything wrong. | |
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XxAxX said: well, for once, it seems that prince really truly needs our help.
the point of his gathering evidence in this fashion would be to prove that we, the consumers, obtained access to it through an unauthorized source. if i had any of that stuff i'd mail it off tomorrow. and, i'd actually feel good about doing so because (although i don't always like his methods) i support prince and believe that he is a fundamentally good guy. right now prince is probably feeling pretty chuffed at all this, trapped between WB's crap and us, his fans who are mocking him instead of supporting him when he really needs support. yeah yeah i don't know the guy personally, but i can imagine how i'd feel if my publisher violated my contract that way. i'd be freaking PISSED AS HELL!! and rightfully so, considering WB stifled his output during the years he was under contract, while (allegedly) violating their agreement with him simultaneously. so, to make a long reply even longer , we will probably not receive a 'trade' or monetary compensation of any sort. however in the long run we will all benefit if prince succeeds in putting the squeeze on WB for doing this.
who knows? perhaps he will win a large settlement and throw the best celebration ever...or something. ok i'm blah blah blahing, but please if you do have this material send in even just one item. [This message was edited Thu Jul 24 16:03:29 PDT 2003 by XxAxX] When members where complaining about NPGMC last year, they were questioning the agreement with the club they entered into. And fams pretty much exclaimed, "tough shit, this is what you agreed to" Why is it then, when Prince enters into an agreement with WB, and later realizes it sucks, he's a hero for making the same mistake? If it was a clean cut case of WB breaking the contract, he could have ended his fued with them years ago. Obviously, at best, he's scrambling for his case at this point. | |
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heh. ok my view ain't so popular on here huh. 
and i admit i'm guessing about what's going on. but if WB did violate the terms of its contract with prince by releasing material through unauthorized channels then they shouldn't get away with it is all i'm saying | |
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SquirrelMeat said: XxAxX said: i disagree that people should receive compensation for sending in unoffical releases they shouldn't have had access to in the first place
if you're really and truly a fan then just send the freaking stuff in as requested for heaven's sake. even just one, if you have it The CDs are not unofficial. They are just part of a contractual dispute. By the way, how do you view the fact that Prince "illegally" gave Horny Pony away on the NPGMC? He signed a big fat contract in 93 and told them the song is theirs. And by the way, if you are really and truely a fan, why don't you own the CDs? . [This message was edited Thu Jul 24 18:11:14 PDT 2003 by SquirrelMeat] did he do that? with horny pony? hmmm. eeentersting, veeery eeeteresting. 
and no doubt WB's point of view will be different. but, i'm inclined to believe prince because, well um...he looks better in buttless pants than any of WB's execs would? ok that and i just admire him. and, i don't have bootlegs because.. . well, i dunno. just don't. guess i'm not that hard core | |
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Anxiety said: If you have a UPC code, why do you need the actual product? And if he DOES need the actual product, why not just directly contact certain acquaintances and club members who he knows have comprehensive collections, and try hitting THEM up first (you know in all these years, he's gotta be chummy with at least a COUPLE of the uber-uber-UBER-fans), rather than sending out a blanket e-mail that makes it sound like something outta Fahrenheit 451?
i dunno. prince puzzles me plenty, at times. i'm interested to see whether the message/email will still be up when the NPGMC forum reopens. . . if it's not well. . . ok then my fingers got a good workout today | |
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Tom said: XxAxX said: the point is WB's agreement with prince apparently did not include authorization to release material through an affiliated entity, in a foreign country.
remember now, WB did not allow prince to release material unless it was subject to the terms of their agreement, remember? they stifled his output in that regard while he was under contract with them. they should be brought to justice for this, and anyone who has copyrighted material which is released through a distribution agreement should support prince in this effort, imo, so that this practice does not go unchallenged. XXaXX, if WB committed the crime, why on earth should the consumer pay the fine??? We didn't do anything wrong. i doubt that anyone submitting material obtained from WB would be liable for purchasing it, if WB misrepresented its authority to sell the material. i don't think so, anyway. hmmm. time to call matt and see what's his take on this. anyone have his number???  | |
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I agree with you xxAxx. Fans seem like they never stop asking (or even TELLING) Prince to do this or do that, and the one time when Prince's people are asking for help, people have a cow about it. Asking to send in a couple cds or 45s is no big deal. Send one if you want to. Or don't.
Wouldn't it be nice to stick it to Warner Bros. finally? It sucks that big corporations do stuff like this all the time and get away with it, and the only people who suffer for it are the creative people who made those companies what they are (i.e. the artists) and the people who bought those companies' products (the fans/"shareholders"). Even if the only reward is a good feeling that you've done something to help someone else and to fight injustice, it's worth it. Besides, most of that stuff is all on albums you already have anyway. You aren't losing a "priceless gem." open yo mind, the entire universe you'll find
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XxaxX and deeplove
Funny thing, I think we all want the same thing, its just some have very different views on how it should be done. But XxaxX, do you really like the assless pants!?!?!  . |
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well, yeah. who wouldn't? plus, it was super funny the way he did it. (imo)
disclaimer: buttless pants are not appropriate attire for the general public, and should be worn with caution and discretion. not at weddings, not at church, and not to the grocery store. | |
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F Prince "You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." "
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Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:00 am
--- petiton closed due to the new information from NPGMC regarding this matter. .. i guess a result of that magnanamous "explanation" that was posted later on the website's message board. [This message was edited Thu Jul 24 23:31:04 PDT 2003 by neurose]  "the foolish dog, bark at the flying bird" From "Jah Live" -Bob Marley | |
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coeus said: There is a petition over at princefams.com about the e-mail from npgmc. Sign it if you agree that we should receive compensation for the albums they want us to send to them.
http://www.princefams.com...pic&t=1913 ¡Man, Prince asks you as fams for a help and you'ld ask for money? Where's the LOVE? And... support? | |
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For all that Prince have to do hear, of rumors, insults and wrong critics, from many of his fams/fans/friends, does he or does he not, ask anybody of his fams money!? | |
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If Prince is going to go to court (which he is NOT going to do) then Warner Brothers could countersue him, since he released quite a few WB songs through the NPGMC in Year 1, once again screwing his fans to make a point. No confusion, no tears. No enemies, no fear. No sorrow, no pain. No ball, no chain.
Sex is not love. Love is not sex. Putting words in other people's mouths will only get you elected. Need more sleep than coke or methamphetamine. | |
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