Without going into whether the NPGMC request to mail in the materials they listed is a good/bad/silly/pointless/helpful or whatever else idea...I'm wondering...

...if the Club wants these particular items mailed in to them by Club members so as to prove a point that fans were able to purchase or obtain them illegally, how exactly is that more helpful or beneficial to Prince in proving his case than if his legal team or employees just went out and bought these items *themselves* off Ebay or elsewhere?

If Joe Blow from Anywhere, USA mails in his items to the NPGMC, does Joe Blow have to sign a bunch of legal documents verifying that HE, Joe Blow, actually provided said materials to the Club and describing how HE himself got them? Will he be called in as a witness during court proceedings to testify in court when and where and how he obtained these albums or CDs? To me it would seem that soing so would be logical and almost necessary in establishing their (Prince's) case against WB's illegal actions of making these items available for sale.

Otherwise, couldn't WB or whoever just counter with "Well, how do we know that you got these items from a fan who claims to have bought them in 19__ at ___ from ___?" Wouldn't the fan who sent them in to the club be called into court to give a sworn testimony of where he/she got the items?

If all that is needed for court is the actual physical proof that these items were manufactured and sold, then really what difference does it make from where, or how, Prince/NPGMC obtains them, as long as they have them? And if the crux of the NPGMC argument/defense is that fans were able to purchase the stuff, then it seems to me they'd have to provide some actual fans to give testimony of when, where, and how they were able to obtain their 'unofficial' material.

I guess I'm just wondering how having a club member mail in their stuff helps the NPGMC case more in the long run. Just having the physical evidence to show to a judge or in a court of law is helpful I guess... but without going through a bunch of legalities proving from whom the NPGMC *themselves* obtained the material, and then going back to the individual who mailed it to them and how THAT person got the material, I don't see how it's any more helpful than if Prince and his legal team went out and obtained those items themselves.

I'm certainly not very savvy about the law or the legal system, so I apologize if my questions are silly.


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Without going into whether the NPGMC request to mail in the materials they listed is a good/bad/silly/pointless/helpful or whatever else idea...I'm wondering...

...if the Club wants these particular items mailed in to them by Club members so as to prove a point that fans were able to purchase or obtain them illegally, how exactly is that more helpful or beneficial to Prince in proving his case than if his legal team or employees just went out and bought these items *themselves* off Ebay or elsewhere?

If Joe Blow from Anywhere, USA mails in his items to the NPGMC, does Joe Blow have to sign a bunch of legal documents verifying that HE, Joe Blow, actually provided said materials to the Club and describing how HE himself got them? Will he be called in as a witness during court proceedings to testify in court when and where and how he obtained these albums or CDs? To me it would seem that soing so would be logical and almost necessary in establishing their (Prince's) case against WB's illegal actions of making these items available for sale.

Otherwise, couldn't WB or whoever just counter with "Well, how do we know that you got these items from a fan who claims to have bought them in 19__ at ___ from ___?" Wouldn't the fan who sent them in to the club be called into court to give a sworn testimony of where he/she got the items?

If all that is needed for court is the actual physical proof that these items were manufactured and sold, then really what difference does it make from where, or how, Prince/NPGMC obtains them, as long as they have them? And if the crux of the NPGMC argument/defense is that fans were able to purchase the stuff, then it seems to me they'd have to provide some actual fans to give testimony of when, where, and how they were able to obtain their 'unofficial' material.

I guess I'm just wondering how having a club member mail in their stuff helps the NPGMC case more in the long run. Just having the physical evidence to show to a judge or in a court of law is helpful I guess... but without going through a bunch of legalities proving from whom the NPGMC *themselves* obtained the material, and then going back to the individual who mailed it to them and how THAT person got the material, I don't see how it's any more helpful than if Prince and his legal team went out and obtained those items themselves.

I'm certainly not very savvy about the law or the legal system, so I apologize if my questions are silly.


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StinkyWeaselTeats said:If I don't like something I just go on with my day and blah blah you're already boring

i can't believe people are mocking prince over this.

from my perspective this is a legit request and should be respected by us.

if he can receive these 'unoffical' releases from US the consumers his case against WB will be stronger. if WB did, indeed release unapproved material through a foreign affilaite, then they are guily of violating their agreement with prince and this would substantiate prince's argument that they've been ripping him off.

mind you, i wasn't a huge supporter of his 'slave' campaign, however if WB did in fact do this with his work they should pay big time.

this is a reasonable request from NPGMC. it shouldn't be hard for someone somewhere to come up with a copy of this stuff? i'd send them in if i had any

goodness gracious... tom, neversin, squirrelmeat... you guys are COMPLETELY on point. i co-sign on all of your posts on this thread here.

--gm--

jn2 said:

I'm sorry, I can't understand what you're saying with my nuts in your mouth.

I just wonder what "re-mastering" Purple Rain means...

Eliminating profanity, "Darling Nikki" and Appolonia's lake scene?

jn2 said:

I'm sorry, I can't understand what you're saying with my nuts in your mouth.

herb4 said:

Ten seconds before the Kid belts Apollonia in the kisser, the NPG jingle cues up and Larry comes on the screen with the purple collection plate in his hands and a big ass smile on his face. The movie fades back in with Prince opening the box and pulling out a glowing watchtower.

i really mean this with the utmost respect...

it does not surprise me that someone who spends a lot of time airbrushing images of prince onto t-shirts and pants supports this farce.

just wait until prince sues you for using his likeness.

Prince, ENUFF is ENUFF with your fans and supporters as well. Quit dicking us around with antics like this. It is your responsibility in the first place to write a clear and concise letter to your fans explaining the purpose of this request.

Don't just tell someone to pack up their CDs and mail them off to some strange location at their expense with no explanation, then go in a tizzy when they don't gladly do it.

Don't turn around and wave a carrot in their face, such as a remastered version of Purple Rain, as recourse for them refusing your request either. This is total Bullshit. First of all, Prince's overt dogma and rewriting of his previous explicit lyrics would only spell trouble for a re-release of Purple Rain.

It's a fucking headache these days trying to show some support for a musician I previously grew up enjoying.

Before some fam tries to pass the whole blame off on the fans, Prince has pulled plenty of stunts to merit listeners being pissed off. If you're blind to that, its not our problem.

In the end, this is a problem between Prince and WB. Stop dragging fans into this mess. If Prince needs proof of the existence of these CDs, then go into your record store and grab a few off the shelf, or seek out some inventory databases from various retailers. These CDs were all packaged with UPC codes, hence their is a long paper trail of their existence.

Without a clear explanation of why us mailing our CDs to you is the only way to win your case, it seems downright retarded to people like myself. And don't play startled when supporters refuse your crazy requests.

I know there are people who will do just about anything Prince requests, pay any price. But a majority of us are not mindless gullible people like that, so quit treating us like we are.

Tom said:

Prince I am sure you have a credit card so feel free to order this one if you need proof:

http://www.cduniverse.com...tyle=music

They were selling these VERY SAME WEA INTERNATIONAL CD,s at PAISLEY PARK during the first Celebration.

Painters, Musicians, Cooks with their own private creations, Poets, etc, have rights to their material, and noONE should be simply taking it away for profit without the approval of that artist.

lovemachine said:

They were selling these VERY SAME WEA INTERNATIONAL CD,s at PAISLEY PARK during the first Celebration.

Prince, suck on it fucknuts.

squirrelgrease said:

Come to think about it that is where I bought my "When Doves Cry/Purple Rain" single. I only paid $1 for it to. Prince you are busted man. You are a hypocrite.

They were selling these VERY SAME WEA INTERNATIONAL CD,s at PAISLEY PARK during the first Celebration.

Guys...PLEASE post this in the club. Those fucks over there think that the explanation makes it all okay. The fact that these were on sale 3 years ago at Paisley probably won't even register with them as ludicrous, but it's worth a try, huh?

theblueangel said:

I think this point warrants its own additional thread on here, especially if this can indeed be substantiated w/ credit card receipts or other forms of proof.