Yall have a good evening.

hope it's funky

Papaya!
[This message was edited Wed May 21 22:46:31 PDT 2003 by Sdldawn]

Hmmm...

20 years or so ago It would have been something like this:

The whores in Spain
Free my body from pain
The way they grind... one of a kind
As eye watch my pole, dissapear in their hole
So nice ... I roll my eyes

How can you think that this is racist?? He's right that the medieval Europeans were barbarians, and I really don't see how that can be thought of as racist.

MEANingless?

We shouted "We want more" at the last concert, not "We want moors"...

The overly sensitive, fearfull & defensive remarks on this thread amaze me. I'm not sure why since race can never, ever, EVER be touched on @ this site w/o all hell breaking loose. I've had knee jerk reactions on the topic myself so I know what it's like - I just wonder if people are really thinking about what they're saying here. What's most astounding is that people will swear up & down they aren't racist, yet so many problems arise & emotions flare when a website about a Black man deals with anything that has to do with him being Black (his history, his skin color, the texture of his hair, all that shit big & small). Pretty shocking how deep the confusion runs. Folks need to sit back & ask themselves why this topic is so threatening. Why he shouldn't go near it as a thinking human being (incase you forgot that's what he is). Why you can't tolerate it. Telling Black people told to get over slavery & its still flourishing ills yet some of y'all muthafuckas can't get over a song...

PROPS to all those holdin it down, NuPwrSoul & Jagjams in particular...

NuPwrSoul said:

That is because you think you are the all knowing on the subject and just won't drop it. You will never get the people who don't agree with you to change but you just keep going and going. Thank you Professor. Now you can stop.

All I'm gonna say is that someone needs to go steal that old ass Funk & Wagnalls "New World" Encylopedia set away from Paisley Park.

Okay... Who's in it with me?? I might need a posey to gank em all!!! I'll nab P-Z!


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From the Jernigan Library database (Texas A & M):
"Funk & Wagnalls Encyclopedia - Meets the needs of elementary, middle, and high school students."

Prince wrote in THE MOORS

IN SPAIN:

And how would you rate the influence of the the Mesopotamians? They influenced the Greeks for at least the same portion as did the Egyptians. And the Mesopotamians were influenced by Asian cultures a lot more than by Egypt.


Mind you... the Catholic Church laid strict rules on the people of Europe. Those rules were derived from the BOOK OF TRUTH, aka THE BIBLE. You know the one, in whatever translation you are reading it... it is the same book. And as with any revolution (Christianity was revolutionary when it started, as was Islam - hence the liberal MOORS!) the action become oppressive after some time (as the freedom right after the socialist revolution in former Soviet Union tured into one of the most oppressing state-dictatorships after 5 to 10 years into the 'evolution').


To be honest I think nature grows these naturally. Not mankind that needed to introduce them...???



Hold on to your wig brutha, most of those 70,600 manuscripts were from Europeans (mainly Roman and Greek) because the POPE (the one who was allowed to interpret that wonderful book of TRUTH) had forbidden those manuscripts to be read. Having possession of these forbidden publications was enough to sentence you to death. Why? Because the good book said so - honestly. Because God wanted it that way - well at least according to the Pope.
After this ruling many, many scientists and their manuscripts moved to Arabian countries where they were welcomed by a liberal regime (Islam). Bagdad was the best accomodated university of its time (800 - 1250 AD).

And one other thing, if the Spanish had not killed the Aztecs and other native cultures in the Americas (and those cultures came from Asia and not Africa, sorry to disturb that dream) than we would be hundreds of years ahead in technology at this moment. A complete mathematical culture in which problems we don't even know how to write them down were already solved was killed...

Ah well, knowledge - be glad you are free

VJillian said:

Yes, you do that. And after you steal all those books, bring them here and distribute them to the ORG members who seem to be in dire need as evidenced by their shock and pathological denial of such "elementary" information.

CalhounSq said:

Well there you go right there, CalhounSq... fo real tho.

NuPwrSoul said:

7 3-pointers in a row..

rdhull said:

The same argument on and on and on and on... Nobody said anything when he wrote Sister, blablabla...

1) That song was NOT hailed.
2) those days there was no internet to express your opinion.

tsk tsk so typical and expected.

NuPwrSoul said:

Oh, okay, that is a fantastic excuse. Hey, don't take it literally! It is just the spirit and ethos of Moorish Spain I am celebrating, while at the same time I break down barbaric Europe in every sentence with it! Yeah...


"Correct it"? Please... He doesn't correct history at all, he is re-writing it under your nose.


No, from his attempt to re-write history. Soemthing he also can be rightfully mad at for what happenes in American history school books.
Seems like a whole different matter, no? It is not about being black or white (lose that shit man), it is about being a hypocrite or not.



Did I say that he is? I don't think so.


No, but he if he writes outright revisionist bullshit it is. And the same goes for portraying "barbaric Europe" in every sentence as some backwards continent. How would you feel if I wrote a text about African tribes selling their own people as slaves or commiting genocide on eachother and downgrading them all as some backward barbarians? How would you feel if I did that with all the killing that goes in the American ghettos? Would you say "oh cool, that is okay". No, man you would want to drink my blood for being a RACIST. It is simply downgrading and he does nothing else but that in this text. That is a big shame and it would have been a big shame as well if he did it with any other continent's or people's history. Yet, he doesn do that. Prince says that American history books are full of shit, but at the same time Prince writes bullshit as well. What disgusting hypocracy.


Is that the point? Why does it have to come with downgreading European history then?

Masters of the Arts and all industry
While France, England and all Germany
Wallowed in the mire of their own bigotry
The Moors were the ones who were truly free

So you agree that he uses catchy phrases and strong meaningfull words like "free" in order to shove bullshit down people's throat....
Okay, let's talk about that religious "freedom"in Moorish Spain then. How come Islam right now does not accept religious freedom, yet the Moors allegedly did?
How come Prince doesn't acknowledge that we in the west are free to speak our minds because of the Age of Reason? How come he doesn't mention that Islamic cultures never had an Age that brought all those freedoms we enjoys today? Why does he let ALL THAT out of it his revionist account of history?

Civilization came 2 Europe thru the Greek
Who were simply Africans who came from the Nile

because they aren't, yet Prince says he they are. Poorly phrased again.

It is well known that Greeks borrowed a lot from the Egyptians, like all cultures do with eachother. But that is NOT what Prince says. He says that they are Africans. Another example of his poor, poor way of phrasing these things.

The Greeks gave it 2 Rome who lost their way home
And it stayed that way 4 quite a while



Something to do with what?

Under their own misconception of Christianity
The barbaric (?) Europeans suffered greatly
While the Catholic Church was staking it’s claim
The Moors were making great gains


He IMPLIES it, by AGAIN and AGAIN contrasting all the "great" gains of the Moors AGAINST the "barbaric" Europeans... oh and Catholics of course. Why don't you see that he is implying that the Moors were "good" and the Europeans were "bad"?
Dude sounds just like George W Bush. Just as simple minded and divisive.

Now, HOW can a man write a text about "freedom" and leave ALL THAT out of it? Because he has an agenda and he is playing this or that.


Introducing strawberries, lemons and sugarcane
Algebra, chemistry from the Moors this all came
Their contributions 2 knowledge, 2 numerous 2 name


While in Europe there were no public libraries, the Moors in Spain
Had 70, 600 thousand manuscripts and 17 universities


Possibly to point out that Europeans were just a bunch of barbarians?

Not hardly a prisoner in the mind of society
In the Spain the Moors were once truly free

Again and again vague and incorrect and full of revisionis intentions. He is deliberately vague, because he knows he talks a lot of shit.


Then I ask again: why doesn't he refer to the spirit of the Age of Reason and the spirit that brought Islamic Culture to a hold? Why? Because he is playing a game of this or that and dividing people, putting them in camps and watching them fight. Truly pathetic.


The Christian monks reproduced lots of manuscripts. Why aren't you acknowledging that Christianity was forced down everyone's throat in Europe? That was the main reason for the divide. And that enforcement of a certain religious divide is what Europeans suffered from for AGES and kept it in wars for ages. Why isn't that present here? Why does Prince not acknowledge that that is the same as what stopped Islamic cultures from evolving?
Because it would only make his game of this or that less effective.

The one who is most gifted cannot lead the way in a world that never respected authority…

You have lots of ideas. But Prince is an hypocrite for publishing this kind of bullshit.

The sword of the Moor would have never left its sheath if the longhaired barbarian who opposed them would have only seen
Would what be better???
THE TRUTH! That would be better!
see above for my explanation of why Europe was at war for so long, which Prince conveniently IGNORES in this text. It has everything to do with Christianity being forced upon people and abused by the ones in power.

That 2 win a war against the so-called “black infidels”
Brings about a peace that cannot last
But I guess all’s well that ends well… well it ain’t over
Again, that is your interpretation which sounds reasonable, but there is a different one too. However, to answer your question first: No, of course I am NOT saying that we can't learn from history! Why would I be writing this then?

It is about his ending with "a war against the so-called black infidels" and then with "well...it ain't over".
That sounds extremely bitter, hatefull and implies that he would love to see a war where all the white barbarians get what they deserve, altho' their ancestors were the ones he is talking about.

Again, he is dividing by this or that. He doesn't show respect for all sides. he doesn't cover all sides of the story. he is just playing this or that. And it is a crying shame.
[This message was edited Thu May 22 9:53:00 PDT 2003 by Abrazo]

I don't have a problem with Prince trying to write lyrics like this... but if he's going to do it, at least do it right.

For instance, compare Prince's lyrics to these:


Let freedom ring with a buckshot, but not just yet
First we need to truly understand the nature of the threat
And a pale man walks in the threshold of darkness
Roughly 20,000 years ago the first humans evolved
with the phenotypical trait, genetic recessive
Blue eyes, blonde hair and white skin
Albinism apparently was a sin to the original man, Africans
So the mutants traveled North of the equator
Called Europeans later, the first race haters
So here's the Devil's alpha to the beta
Cause history's best qualified to teach one
Quoting German philosopher Schopenhauer
"Every white man is a faded or a bleached one"
Migration created further mutation
Genetic drifts, evolution through recombination
Adaptation to the climate
As the Caucus Mountain man reverted to that of a primate
Savage Neanderthals, until the late Paleolithic age
That's when the Black Grimaldi man came
With the symbol of the dragon, fire and art
Check cave paintings in France and Spain to the Venus of Willendorf
Around 2000 B.C. Southern Russians migrate in small units
Those who travel West populated Europe
Those who went East settled in Iran, known as Aryans
1500 B.C. some crossed the Khyber Pass into India and
created Hinduism, the first caste system, the origins of racism
A white dot on the forehead meant elite
The black dot - defeat; untrustable, untouchables
They wrote the holy Vedas in Sanskrit
That's the language that created Greek, German, Latin and English
Now the Minoans around 2000 B.C.
Starts on the island of Crete, in the Agean Sea
The Greek culture begins Western Civilization
But "Western Civilization" means "White Domination"
Myceneans learned from Kemet, called Egypt in Greek
It existed since at least 3000 B.C.
Creatin geometry and astronomy
This knowledge influenced Plato, Socrates and Hippocrates
Cause Imhotep, the real real father of medicine
Was worshiped in Greece and Rome in the form of a Black African
The word Africa comes from the Greek "Aphrike"
meaning "without cold"; the word philosophy means "love of knowledge"
Stole from first man, Greek power expands
The first Greek fraternities band
The word gymnasium is Greek for "naked"
This was the place where adolescent boys were educated, and molested
This was accepted because Greek culture was homosexual
For example, Sappho trained girls on the island of Lesbos
Hence, the word lesbian (Ay let these dumb motherfuckers know)
December 25th, the birth of Saturn
A homosexual god, now check the historical pattern
December 25, now thought the birth of Christ
Was Saturnalia, when men got drunk,
fucked each other then beat their wife
Fact is, it was still practiced, til they called it Christmas
So put a gerbil on your Christmas list
The Hellenistic Era, Alexander the Great
Conquers all the way to India leavin four successor states
By the Fifth century B.C., R.O.M.E.
succeeds to be the conqueror of Egypt and Greece
But had the threat of the Black Phoenicians in Sicily
The Punic Wars began 264 B.C.
The Black general Hannibal and Carthaginian Peace
In 146 B.C. Carthage fell after a six-month siege
Rome sold every citizen to slavery
The first genocide of history
And more bisexuality in sight; Julius Caesar was known as
"every woman's husband and every man's wife" (BEOTCH!)
Spartacus Revolt, a slave rebellion that lost
Where 6,000 slaves was nailed on a cross
Cross? Aw, shit! Jesus Christ! Time for some-act-right
Christians get your facts right
Cause Christ was not his name
That's Greek for "One who is anointed"
Yoshua Ben Yosef was his name, do Christians know this?
So who do you praise, do you know his name?
Or do you do this in vain?
Accepting the religion they gave slaves to behave
Peep the description of historian Josephus
"Short, dark, with an underdeveloped beard was Jesus"
He had the Romans fearing revolution
The solution was to take him to court and falsely accuse him
After being murdered by Pilate how can it be
these same white Romans established Christianity
Constantine would later see the cross in a dream
In his vision, it read "En Hawk Signo Wonka":
"In this sign we conquer" - Manifest Destiny
In 325 he convened the Nicean Creed
And separated god into three
Decided Jesus was born on December 25th
and raised then on the third day is a myth
Plus to deceive us
Commissioned Michelangelo to paint white pictures of Jesus
He used his aunt, uncle, and nephew
Subconsciously that affects you
It makes you put white people closer to God
(Yo, 'The Man' got game like a motherfucker!)
True indeed, fuck it, Jihad
In the eight century Muslims conquered
Spain, Portugal and France and controlled it for 700 years
They never mention this in history class
cause o'fays are threatened when you get the real lesson
Moors from Baghdad, Turkey threatened European Christians
Meaning, the white way of life; hence the Crusades for Christ
On November 25th, 1491
Santiago defeats the last Muslim stronghold, Grenada
King Ferdinand gave thanks to God for victory
And the Pope of Rome and declared this date to forever be
A day of "Thanksgiving" for all European Christians

.. Now listen, when you celebrate "Thanksgiving"
What you are actually celebratin
is the proclamation of the Pope of Rome
Who later, in league with Queen Isabella
sent Cardinal Ximenos to Spain
to murder any blacks that resisted Christianity
These Moors, these black men and women
were from Baghdad, Turkey
And today, you eat the turkey, for your "Thanksgiving" day
as the European Powers destroyed the Turkeys
Who were the forefathers of your mothers and fathers
Now fight the power, you bitch-ass niggaz!

Now around this time, Whites started callings us Negroes
That's Spanish for black object meaning we're not really people
but profit, and the triangle trade begins - they seize us
Queen Elizabeth sends the first slaves on a ship named Jesus
Stealin land from the indigenous natives
Gave them alcohol to keep the Red Man intoxicated
Whites claim they had to civilize these pagan animals
But up until 1848 there's documented cases
of whites bein the savage cannibals, eatin Indians
In 1992, it's Jeffery Dahmer
They slaughtered a whole race with guns
Drugs, priests and nuns
1763, the first demonic tactic of biological warfare
As tokens of peace, Sir Jeffery Amherst
passed out clothin and blankets to the Indian community
Infested with small pox, knowin they had no immunity
Today it's AIDS, you best believe it's man made
Cause ain't a damn thing changed.. let me explain
Now since people of color are genetically dominant
and Caucasoids are genetically recessive
and Whites expect to be predominant, meaning survive as a race then
they simply must, take precautions
That's why they're worried about their future now
Cuz by 2050, almost all the Earth's population
will be brown, then black, so understandin that, whites counterreact
(I'm sayin.. man.. them fools
ain't nothin but a teaspoon of milk in the world color majority)
So they created a system
to force blacks into an unnatural position
That re-enforces the position of natural inferiority
In addition, created guns and developed the ethnocentric view
that God justifies every fuckin thing they do
Condition people to perceive whites' culture as civilized
and every other culture considered primitive - not true!
Racism is the system of racial subjugation against nonwhites
in every areas of human relation
Entertainment, education, labor, politics
Law, religion, sex, war and economics
See blacks were 3/5ths of a man with tax purposes intended
You think you're Afro-American?
You're a 14th amendment and a good nigga
Jews don't salute the fuckin swastika
but niggaz pledge allegiance to the flag that accosted ya
They never teach about the break of islands like Jamaica
But before slaves came here whites would take a
pregnant women, hang her from a tree by her toes
Slice her stomach with a knife
and let the unborn baby fall to the flo'
And stop an unborn child in front of all the slaves
to inbreed fear, so they'd be scared and behave
and not rebel more
Understand all whites must be perceived as potential predators
I paraphrase historian Ishakamusa Barashango
"Understand that regardless of the lofty ideas ingraved on paper
in such documents as the Constitution or Declaration
the basic nature.. of the European American white man
remains virtually unchanged".. so check
This is the nature of the threat

Abrazo said:

1.Um yes it was,..and its a reperesentation of the nasty content like Darling Nikki Sexy MF etc. which everyone CRIES bout him not playing anymore etc..i.e. cursing etc.

2.Those songs are still being "hailed" today as wantung him to return to form etc.

tsk tickity tsk

I posted this to one of the NPGMC threads on the topic...

I just don't get the effing bullsh** racism when everyone is so preachy about loving one another...

My take...
---

Okay, where in the 'rule book' does it say it is wrong for a black man to point out the positive history from his culture? How many people are aware that Africans have a history of being an educated society to allow the people within thier society to be 'free'? I don't find this post alienating or 'intolerable', as a white person.

And why is this so 'radical'? When all we were taught in school was that Africa was a nation of 'weird tribes' that weren't educated and had bones in thier noses. Why not provide a glimpse of history as to what really was?

Although none of us were there during that time, there is some truth to the story, and I am happy that someone is trying to talk about Africa and african people for what it really is/was. NAS is talking about the same types of things in his song "I Can" which I think is a very positive song of education for all of us as well.

Especially, from a group that has has so much oppresion over the last 400 years in America. When you are struggling to be free, how easy is it to remember history (which was stolen from you) when you are fighting for freedom today. Granted, life has become much easier over the last 10 years during the information age, so it IS okay to talk about positive history. If it uplifts one soul who thinks negatively about themselves, than all it can do is good.

I don't see in this poem, where it says that "White" people suck. I see references to barbaric people, whose history is clearly laid out in the history books.

Anyway, i think that it is great to see black leaders bring positive storied of thier culture to the forefront, maybe oneday our history books will be complete from all sides of the octagon (ok i wanted to say coin but there are only 2 sides ).

This kind of relates to white vs. native americans... Our history books only show one side of the story. Read : Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee An Indian History of the American West by Dee Brown if you ever want another viewpoint on "our" history...

Let's make this nation ALL inclusive and that includes ALL of our contributions!

Ok, ok, i am off my soapbox now Fire away...
[This message was edited Thu May 22 14:58:51 PDT 2003 by MzCadillacLady]

banishedbrian: although whoever wrote the lyrikkks you just posted is a much more talented lyricist than prince currently is, i find the extreme homophobia in these lyrics to be more sickening than anything i've ever been exposed to in the name of "history". where is that from?

no offense to you...i'm just repulsed and saddened.

*
[This message was edited Thu May 22 16:22:30 PDT 2003 by m3taverse]

I can remember when the only thing i learned about black people in school was that they were slaves. That was all i was taught, nothing to build pride on or self esteem. I finally got around some people who opened up my eyes to and helped me to find love in myself and black people. I think prince got the same background growing up in self hate. Someone around him opened his eyes to another view of history and he is expressing that. I ask anyone who find his lyrics offensive if they feel the same way when they hear stuff about Hitler. It seems we can never talk enough about how evil Hitler was. If Hitler had attacked only black people instead would he have been considered such an evil person?

theC said:

Nope.

really, you don't think he would be? that's a sad thought. *i* would certainly think he was just as evil.

the C said: If Hitler had attacked only black people instead would he have been considered such an evil person?

i bet the bass line'll make ya squeeell

I find "The Moors in Spain" and this whole thread very interesting.
A lot of "food for thought"...
BanishedBrian - May I ask, where did you get your "verses"?
First, I would like to say that I don't think Prince is getting hung up on the past because as JW's the past is going to be the future.
Huh? Que?
Let me explain:
According to the scriptures, the "Moors" are going to be resurrected. In fact, I think it's safe to say that Prince is looking forward to hanging with the Moors in the future.
Also, I don't believe it's "religious pluralism" that Prince is celebrating in "The Moors in Spain", but rather props to a culture which "blossomed" out of "FREEDOM".
This same kind of culture is celebrated by Prince in "The Rainbow Children" - Those today who are united by love and enjoy a "freedom" the rest of the world does not know. A group free of bigotry, free from fear of others (Xenophobia), and free of "class" distinctions.
A group which does not fall under the category of being guided by a "misconception of Christianity"

MzCadillacLady said:


"Okay, where in the 'rule book' does it say it is wrong for a black man to point out the positive history from his culture? How many people are aware that Africans have a history of being an educated society to allow the people within thier society to be 'free'? I don't find this post alienating or 'intolerable', as a white person.

You are truely in a minority in you observations.
Most people feel that when 'we' come out and speak
about our past 'we' intend to "KILL WHITEY" and yet it
is more about "Look Where We Can Be"

And why is this so 'radical'? When all we were taught in school was that Africa was a nation of 'weird tribes' that weren't educated and had bones in thier noses. Why not provide a glimpse of history as to what really was?

In my other post I somewhut hit on this.
All we ever learn is 'we' were SAVAGES and canibals,
as it was with the Native Americans and the Myans, and
whutever other cultures that were raped and robbed.


Although none of us were there during that time, there is some truth to the story, and I am happy that someone is trying to talk about Africa and african people for what it really is/was. NAS is talking about the same types of things in his song "I Can" which I think is a very positive song of education for all of us as well.

There have been many who have tryed to educate through
music/ poetry. Nikki Giovani, Mya Angalu, Last Poets
Gill Scot Heron, and others.
The problem is that if it's not "SUGAR COATED" some feel it threatens the 'STATUS QUO', Others feel it's more tales of
"When will we be PAID"

Especially, from a group that has has so much oppresion over the last 400 years in America. When you are struggling to be free, how easy is it to remember history (which was stolen from you) when you are fighting for freedom today. Granted, life has become much easier over the last 10 years during the information age, so it IS okay to talk about positive history. If it uplifts one soul who thinks negatively about themselves, than all it can do is good.

YOU STAR!!!

I don't see in this poem, where it says that "White" people suck. I see references to barbaric people, whose history is clearly laid out in the history books.

Anyway, i think that it is great to see black leaders bring positive storied of thier culture to the forefront, maybe oneday our history books will be complete from all sides of the octagon (ok i wanted to say coin but there are only 2 sides ).

This kind of relates to white vs. native americans... Our history books only show one side of the story. Read : Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee An Indian History of the American West by Dee Brown if you ever want another viewpoint on "our" history...

Let's make this nation ALL inclusive and that includes ALL of our contributions!

Ok, ok, i am off my soapbox now Fire away..."


If they come for you, They come for me
You are a Scholar and a LADY...



yay edit
[This message was edited Thu May 22 21:48:59 PDT 2003 by 00769BAD]

Why is it that when a person takes pride in his Black heritage and is pro-Black all kinds of statements just rolls off the tongue of those who aren't.

XxaxX said:
Why does it have to be all that? I just think that y'all hate not being included in everything and not being on top. Anything outside of that has to be false because there is no way that Black people could ever civilize white people that's just preposterous! His poem speaks of African people being the rulers and bringing civilization to Europe. And the "UNTRUTH" would be...

Delores said:


Why does his poem have distortion of history, because you don't agree with it? Why can't he speak about African history, is it only relevent to those who are historians so that they can continue to distort and alter the truth? So what Prince is a musician does that mean that he shouldn't be interested in anything else, that he shouldn't be interested in knowing the truth about his history and his people? How ridicules is that to make such a statement that he should stick with music and leave history in the classroom. That's the beginning of how this trouble started with us. It's funny it's always OUR history that we need to forget as we are continually being bambarded with the white man's history. Has anyone ever said forget about the Western history or the European history because it's the past. No! That is exactly how white people gained their power.
Why don't some people pick up a book sometime and find out what the truth is, not that catered tripe that has been spoon-fed to us from generation to generation because that is definitly not the truth. Believe it or not there was a point in time when African people did rule the world with the knowledge,power and riches that WE had. Inconceivable I know, but oh so very much true.
[This message was edited Thu May 22 22:16:41 PDT 2003 by CocoSweet]

Well, if you agree with these lyrics or not...u cant deny they have stirred up some negative feelings - maybe that was the plan.

I wonder why,after so many years, Prince has only just become 'proud' (is that the right word) of the fact he is black (ok,ok...butterscotch) to such an extent that he is putting out such in-your-face songs. For years hes been doing things that hes now ridiculing ( straightening his for example)

Something must have happened

00769BAD said:

Unfortunately, it seems so. Maybe heaven is a better place for us all



I just reread your posting. Very interesting point. I never really thought about that. It's like people are trying to justify their terrible actions against such groups of people by making them out to be monsters or 'uncivilized'. Labels... if we could ever get away from them I would be amazed!




Yes, you are right! And include;Public Enemy, KRS One, Jungle Brothers and I'm sure there are many others. In thinking about the 'sugar coated' statement... funny how it seems to be sugar coating is a rule for those that have been oppressed... A 'be sensitive to the powerful or they will get you' type of statement. Not sure if this is coming across correctly... but if we a striving for an equal and respectful world we need to at least try to understand the perspectives from which others come.



Thank you for your comments, they really mean a lot to me My posts generally don't get much response. I wonder why that is...

Peace and Luv!

CocoSweet said:

the thing i dislike about prince's more recent lyrics as that, in order to build someone up, he puts others down/negatively calls on them.
think about it. family name puts down/negatively calls on mr rosenbloom (whatever it was), abraham lincoln puts abe down, the moors puts non-moors into categories like 'long-haired barbarians' thereby negatively calling on them . . .C'MON. i really think his choice of words could be a LOT better. must he really make his point by stiffing one group of people over another??