By the way, how come none of you critical NPGMC members are raising your grievances over at the site? Only NuPwrSoul's positive thread is there and with minimal feedback.

Essence said:

Yup like I said at the NPGMC forum: There is NOTHING that Prince could do to make this sound sweet to the ears of those who wish to live in denial about the African origins of civilization. Nothing.

nupwrsoul, we definitely agree on one thing: avalanche IS a beatiful, anguished song.

however, i'm still curious as to what you think of the actual writing style of the lyrics. the quality of the lyrics. you're a fan of the music, you've seen enough lyrics to at least have an opinion.

i find the lyrics to be juvenile, awkward and somewhat crack-addled.

theblueangel said:

Without touching the history topic...
I have found many many of his songs to be lyrically quirky.
Just think about some of your favorites.

What surprises me is how "thin-skinned" some of you are.
You seem really "injured".
Meditate a moment on how you feel.
Why are you so upset?
I don't think he had any of you in mind when he wrote that.

He had to know everybody would not like it.
The thing I find refreshing...is that Prince said it anyway.
Just like he has always said what he thought.

Hmmm He did say he hates fanatics. Think he is trying
to shed some?

Or maybe he is just expressing "his feelings" from the depth
of his soul?
I guess he can do that...No, I know he can do that.

Either way...Prince is gonna be Prince.
He ain't scared.

Prince I may not agree with all you say...but you have
as much right as anybody to say it.
Maybe more...You do have poetic license.
You are an artist, after all.

The racism on this site is tangible. As long as Prince is an androgenous rocker in lace hes alright but if he tells the truth about history and racism, people get vicious. People actually start talking about not buying his music etc.. Why? Because hes telling the truth, and some people cant handle it. So basically, youre saying either stay the same - androgenous, effeminate, ambiguous etc. or we'll boycott you. Racism is alive and well in 2003. In these times of self hating thugs, gangsters, and clowns, God its good to see a black man revel in who he is.

I dont give a monkey uncle about his religious stance...what I do object to is the (what appears to be) anti-white stance he's beem taking recently,all the chocolat invasion bullshit...and now this piece of filth.

Im sorry but if I wrote soem crap about black people stealing cars there would be outrage!!!

Im white,i find it offensive therefore its just as racist as any comment I could amke about anyother ethnic group.

Somebodys been hanging around teh black Hitler taht is Larry Graham for a bit too long. Him and Spike Lee are pathetic, they're like a bunch of men hating women but only this time theyve turned to race

SensualMelody said:

Hey, will you be my 2nd wife?

New lyrix from Prince in the Vs room:

THE MOORS IN SPAIN
by Prince (incomplete)

If this great African culture were alive 2day
We’d b 400 years more advanced
From Arabia they came 2 blossom in Spain
And 2 the beat of the drum they danced

Masters of the Arts and all industry
While France, England and all Germany
Wallowed in the mire of their own bigotry
The Moors were the ones who were truly free

Civilization came 2 Europe thru the Greek
Who were simply Africans who came from the Nile
The Greeks gave it 2 Rome who lost their way home
And it stayed that way 4 quite a while

Under their own misconception of Christianity
The barbaric (?) Europeans suffered greatly
While the Catholic Church was staking it’s claim
The Moors were making great gains
Introducing strawberries, lemons and sugarcane
Algebra, chemistry from the Moors this all came
Their contributions 2 knowledge, 2 numerous 2 name
While in Europe there were no public libraries, the Moors in Spain
Had 70, 600 thousand manuscripts and 17 universities

Not hardly a prisoner in the mind of society
In the Spain the Moors were once truly free

The one who is most gifted cannot lead the way in a world that never respected authority…
The sword of the Moor would have never left its sheath if the longhaired barbarian who opposed them would have only seen
That 2 win a war against the so-called “black infidels”
Brings about a peace that cannot last
But I guess all’s well that ends well… well it ain’t over

What surprises me is how "thin-skinned" some of you are.
You seem really "injured".
Meditate a moment on how you feel.
Why are you so upset?
I don't think he had any of you in mind when he wrote that.
.

Apparently, Prince has not only given up on using profanity in his songwriting, but he's given up on using metaphors as well.

So, we don't want Prince to edit his old lyrics
about him wanting to "fuck the taste out of your mouth,"
or him talking about some girl that's "got an ass
like I've never seen," or him telling someone to
move that ass around this way so I can work on
that zipper, or him saying "incest is everything
it's said to be," etc.? Direct, blunt lyrics with
that type of dazzling lyrical prowess is what
we want him keep on doing, and to leave it as is
whenever his catalog is to be remastered, right?
That type of lyrical adeptness is brilliant, isn't it?

So, we forever want the 24 year old hedonistic Prince,
the freak whose albums some of us had to hide from our
parents as kids, because the obvious heavy-handed
sexuality exhibited was more palatable to us, than
some historical topic he finds important (at least enough
to write down) at this point in his life, right?

As an artist his evolution from the concept of id with
spiritual connotations, and 25 years later to the concept of
ideology with spiritual connotations is unnaceptable because
these specific blunt, direct lyrics about that ideology aren't about bluntly
fucking and sucking, right?

And song lyrics by anybody don't always translate
well as poetry when there is no music to accompany
them. The ability to be a good songwriter is not always
what you get from the page, it also has something to do
with what the songwriter can meld and phrase to the
meter of his/her songs. And there's a good chance these
lyrics are a rough draft. BUT, how he carries out these
lyrics really isn't the problem, is it? No matter how he
says what he says, it's the content some of you dislike.
You don't want him to say it at all.

Shut up and entertain me! Shut up and play yer guitar!
Very common. All too common.

So, we don't want Prince to edit his old lyrics
about him wanting to "fuck the taste out of your mouth,"
or him talking about some girl that's "got an ass
like I've never seen," or him telling someone to
move that ass around this way so I can work on
that zipper, or him saying "incest is everything
it's said to be," etc.? Direct, blunt lyrics with
that type of dazzling lyrical prowess is what
we want him keep on doing, and to leave it as is
whenever his catalog is to be remastered, right?
That type of lyrical adeptness is brilliant, isn't it?

So, we forever want the 24 year old hedonistic Prince,
the freak whose albums some of us had to hide from our
parents as kids, because the obvious heavy-handed
sexuality exhibited was more palatable to us, than
some historical topic he finds important (at least enough
to write down) at this point in his life, right?

As an artist his evolution from the concept of id with
spiritual connotations, and 25 years later to the concept of
ideology with spiritual connotations is unnaceptable because
these specific blunt, direct lyrics about that ideology aren't about bluntly
fucking and sucking, right?

And song lyrics by anybody don't always translate
well as poetry when there is no music to accompany
them. The ability to be a good songwriter is not always
what you get from the page, it also has something to do
with what the songwriter can meld and phrase to the
meter of his/her songs. And there's a good chance these
lyrics are a rough draft. BUT, how he carries out these
lyrics really isn't the problem, is it? No matter how he
says what he says, it's the content some of you dislike.
You don't want him to say it at all.

Shut up and entertain me! Shut up and play yer guitar!
Very common. All too common.

£
[This message was edited Tue May 20 20:13:52 PDT 2003 by Supernova]

While I feel that some Prince fans feel this way, and I, as much as anyone, love to fuck and suck, it ain't about the sexual lyrics to me. The Prince songs that have affected me the most were the ones that dealt with God or had a religious theme to them: Annastesia, and God Created Woman, 7, EyeNo, etc. The problem I have is I didn't have to try to figure out what Prince was trying to say in those songs, he just said it. When I read the song in the VS room, I felt I was spending all my time trying to decipher it. NuPwr spent a little time breaking it down for me and I think I understand a little more. I have no problem with P saying whatever it is he wants to say, I just want to understand it. I still to this day, have questions about TRC.

stymie said:

I understand.

~
[This message was edited Tue May 20 21:02:31 PDT 2003 by Supernova]

NuPwrSoul, with all due respect, I don't think there are many people on the org who would "deny" African origins of civilization. Maybe they are not as educated about it as European contributions due to bias in Eurocentric history books...

Additionally, my problem is not with Prince wanting to educate us about Africans' contributions but rather his general insults about Europeans. "While France, England and all Germany Wallowed in the mire of their own bigotry."

Maybe I am uneducated about the subject, but the Moors were North African right? They were "dark" people but not as dark as other Africans right? I would rather be educated about the contributions of "deeper" African cultures, whether as significant as the Moors or not. I would imagine such knowledge would be better than the Moors and Egyptians who were of "mixed" backgrounds.

General applause :applause: for Supernova--theblueangel, check her post on the lyrical style, my response to you would pretty much be like that; RDHull for exposin the hypocrites; SensualMelody for pointing out that ppl cannot take what they dish out; SuperC for makin it plain... and everyone for keepin it goin.

NuPwrSoul said:

NuPwr, I just went back and read all these posts. Seems I missed a few since I was out all day. I think you were referring to me when you said refer to the most super Supernova.

What I don't get is where people are getting the impression that the poem contains racism. Am I really that dense or is it I don't see cuz it's not there?

...and there you go - Princes nasty unfinished lyrics have caused an argument which pitches blacks against whites (and whites who think theyre black!!!) driving a big divide between us where once we would be united for music.

Now if Prince is still such a genius - try and tell me he couldnt have seen that coming...in which case it was all part of the plan.


Such a nice man!!! How about u stick to the REAL music Prince...oh,and pay your bills on time.

So, we don't want Prince to edit his old lyrics
about him wanting to "fuck the taste out of your mouth,"
or him talking about some girl that's "got an ass
like I've never seen," or him telling someone to
move that ass around this way so I can work on
that zipper, or him saying "incest is everything
it's said to be," etc.? Direct, blunt lyrics with
that type of dazzling lyrical prowess is what
we want him keep on doing, and to leave it as is
whenever his catalog is to be remastered, right?
That type of lyrical adeptness is brilliant, isn't it?

So, we forever want the 24 year old hedonistic Prince,
the freak whose albums some of us had to hide from our
parents as kids, because the obvious heavy-handed
sexuality exhibited was more palatable to us, than
some historical topic he finds important (at least enough
to write down) at this point in his life, right?

As an artist his evolution from the concept of id with
spiritual connotations, and 25 years later to the concept of
ideology with spiritual connotations is unnaceptable because
these specific blunt, direct lyrics about that ideology aren't about bluntly
fucking and sucking, right?

And song lyrics by anybody don't always translate
well as poetry when there is no music to accompany
them. The ability to be a good songwriter is not always
what you get from the page, it also has something to do
with what the songwriter can meld and phrase to the
meter of his/her songs. And there's a good chance these
lyrics are a rough draft. BUT, how he carries out these
lyrics really isn't the problem, is it? No matter how he
says what he says, it's the content some of you dislike.
You don't want him to say it at all.

Shut up and entertain me! Shut up and play yer guitar!
Very common. All too common.

£
[This message was edited Tue May 20 20:13:52 PDT 2003 by Supernova]