yamomma said:

There is nothing in the bible to suggest that there was a universe here for 18 billion years and then suddenly God created the earth.

How about this - the creation and the big bang are the same. "Let there be light" = the big bang.

That's a far better theory than trying to force the entire universe into a 6000 year period. Here's a question - before there was the earth, what was a day?

alandail said:

A "day" is a human concept as is the whole measuring of time through clocks and calendars etc. We live by the supposed amount of years since one man's birth...

I thought it was a 24 hour period of rotation?

alandail said:

I understand that. What I was saying is that there is nothing that says there wasn't either.

Just a speculation on my part.

I also find it interestion in the phrase "Let there be light" as it leeds to an indication that something was holding it back.

By the way, I'm not saying these speculations are the absolute truth.

Even if you hold the bible as absolute truth, the bible doesn't answer every detail.

I do, however, find these subjects can hold its ground to either side of the debate.

Things just make more sense to me the other way.

This thread is hilarious I only wish we were still allowed to vote.

yamomma said:

Where did an "Hour" come from?

yamomma said:

rotation of what? The first bible referene of "day" preceeds the earth - so how could it mean the same thing as it does now? A day on earth is an abitrary amount of time. As is a year, for that matter. On other plants, days and years would take different amounts of time.

My point in all of this is simply that it's an effort bound for failure to try to explain the whole history of the earth and of the universe as happening in only 6000 years. Why would God create a universe 6000 years ago and create it with so much evidence that it is billions of years old? Trying to say dinosaures were around in the time of Noah, irregardless of if the question of if there was a Noah or a Noah's ark, is absurd. Claiming the earth/universe was created 6000 years ago is equally absurd.

The creation of the universe we live in was the big bang. The question to debate is was that a spontanous event that came out of nothingness, creating this massive universe of at least 100 billion galaxies from nothing, or was it the work of God. To me, both possibilities are equally difficult to comprehend.

1 - big bang from nothing - how can this unbelievably massive universe have come from nothing? What preceded the big bang? Was it an eternity of nothingness?
2 - big bang from God - how could God, or anything else for that matter, have always existed? What did God do for the enternity that preceded the big bang?

Yeah, only MINIature ones.

NO! That's why there aren't any today. The ark was already huge. Noah could not have made one big enough for all those animals, he only took the ones God told him to.

jaycee said:

So dinosaurs became extinct when Noah refused them space to stow away on his boat? Well I'm glad that's all cleared up, those Nasty T-Rex's could well of eaten all the other animals anyway, not to mention poor Noah himself.