poppys said:

1Sasha said:

The biggest change for me was to realize how tragic his life truly was. There was no amount of fame or riches that could eliminate the feelings caused when he became collateral damage of his parents' relationship, and at a young age he built a wall around himself that no one could ever penetrate. He had no real love in his life, and to apparently everyone he was a cash register in one form or another. I feel so sad for him. So very sorry he had no one and nothing.

You know, I am really tired of hearing this from you. It's very negative. Everyone has problems, ups and downs. Many of us are not from a postcard family. Are you a child of divorce? What is the deal? So much projection.

i would be willing to bet it's a woman, women tend to look at things a lot more sympathetic than us men, it's us asshole men who always respond like you did. Personally, i've been on the recieving end of womens sympathy too and I don't even like it, i don't need a mother. Hearts in the right place but prince was a man, a pretty strong man too.

NorthC said:

As far as I know, poppys is a woman & I agree with her. Portrating Prince as some tragic sad figure who needed our sympathy is fucked up. Just like portraying him as some sort of demi-god who could do no wrong. Or some asshole who only cared about money. All of those things have been said about him and they're all wrong.

i was referring to the other poster, women tend to look at things different, that's not bad in and of itself, just the way it is. but i agree with you, i'm not ready to feel sorry for that man, he had a great life, of course i'd have loved to have him around for another 20-30 years but he wasn't, he did fine, he accomplished things no one else did and his legend will only grow. Will come a time when people will be arguing about the greatest of the great, i'm talking top five and he is in there I do believe.

herb4 said:

luvsexy4all said:

not losers ...but hurting in some way

so human in other words? We all hurt. At least we do if we're paying attention and give a shit about other people.

people who do drugs r hurting...

PeteSilas said:

i can't blame the drug haters, when you've known so many people who use them, knowing full well what they do, it kind of gets a little old. I say that having a family full of alcoholics and have had many friends and associates use drugs. it warps people, it actually warps them, their thinking, their lives, their ability to survive. I don't have patience for it anymore myself. as a musician, i work alone because it's so pervasive, my best advice to some of these other musicians i've met would have been "don't come my way, go to rehab". I can't fix that and I don't have time for it.

True, but the thing is they were warped by something else to begin with, whether innate, genetic or some sort of personal trauma. It's self medicating and people do it with a large variety of things. Some use religion, others anti depressants, sex, steroids, plastic surgery.

Drug usage is a symptom as well as a cause and creates a sprial where it's difficult to differentiate cause and effect. You can go completely down the rabbit hole like Amy Whinehouse or Artie Lange but some people function quite highly on substances and achieve quite a lot. It's not entirely a chicken and egg thing or as black and white as people try to make it. There are people on drugs everywhere you go and with probably more than half of them it's barely obvious. Xanax, Prozac, Vicodin, weed, booze, diet pills, coke...

I can't find it in my heart to hate on people for being ill, but I get what you're saying in the way that it fucks up the lives of people trying to care for them. Labeling people "junkies" or "losers" is dehumanizing and dismissive I find and rarely helpful to the discussion. What drugs was Hitler on? Dahmer? Ed Gein? Roy Moore and Donald Trump are straight edge by all accounts.

My opinion of Prince remains unchanged. He was awesome and the world is poorer for having lost him.

luvsexy4all said:

herb4 said:

so human in other words? We all hurt. At least we do if we're paying attention and give a shit about other people.

people who do drugs r hurting...

And? Pretty sure that's what I said?

i don't know everything but in my observances, life is pain, often miserable, it's just life. Look at the animal kingdom, just absolute law of the jungle, no mercy. I'm not saying we should be that way but that life is and by association, we are too. All the panhandlers and people who've had bad breaks in life, no one is going to help those people, in fact, we really can't. and after a certain point, maybe after seeing bum after bum begging for change outside of every store, maybe after getting disrespected or robbed by some junkie relative or friend because they are drug crazy, after a point, you just don't and can't give a fuck anymore. Like I said, my family is full of them, i'd drown in their problems if i didn't know how to just shut it all out. i've offered counsel, offered love, money but they really need somehting that i can't give them. and I know, we all take drugs, pretty much everyone, but if some folks do not know when something is helping or hurting them, not much that can be done. Pray for them, help them when you can is all I can say I guess.

Adorecream said:

It has

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I still love the music, but knowing he was a drug addict addicted to illegal and dangerous drugs, I have lost a lot of respect for him as a person. People tell me he was a junkie and sometimes I believe it, why did he have to surround himself with drug toting maggots and take stupid ass drugs.

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I have always despised drugs and anyone who uses them knowing the risks, but still uses them anyway is a loser in my book.

No one has side Prince was a junkie in fact I have not heard one associate say he was a junkie. They keep saying we do not know the whole story which implies that health issues exsisted before the use of these drugs. We have plenty evidence that he had a hip procedure.

Not sure why you think he was surrounded by drug toting maggots. I hope your view of using drugs does not include people who are prescribed powerful pain killers.

herb4 said:

True, but the thing is they were warped by something else to begin with, whether innate, genetic or some sort of personal trauma. It's self medicating and people do it with a large variety of things. Some use religion, others anti depressants, sex, steroids, plastic surgery.

Drug usage is a symptom as well as a cause and creates a sprial where it's difficult to differentiate cause and effect. You can go completely down the rabbit hole like Amy Whinehouse or Artie Lange but some people function quite highly on substances and achieve quite a lot. It's not entirely a chicken and egg thing or as black and white as people try to make it. There are people on drugs everywhere you go and with probably more than half of them it's barely obvious. Xanax, Prozac, Vicodin, weed, booze, diet pills, coke...

I can't find it in my heart to hate on people for being ill, but I get what you're saying in the way that it fucks up the lives of people trying to care for them. Labeling people "junkies" or "losers" is dehumanizing and dismissive I find and rarely helpful to the discussion. What drugs was Hitler on? Dahmer? Ed Gein? Roy Moore and Donald Trump are straight edge by all accounts.

My opinion of Prince remains unchanged. He was awesome and the world is poorer for having lost him.

Donald Trump is a good advert for taking drugs...

The fact that he is stone cold sober should convince anyone that taking drugs could be a good idea.

Like if you didn't know shit from shinola, and the only awareness you had of drugs was Donald Trump NOT taking them, that would be persuasive enough. Poetic license of course.

fortuneandserendipity said:

herb4 said:

True, but the thing is they were warped by something else to begin with, whether innate, genetic or some sort of personal trauma. It's self medicating and people do it with a large variety of things. Some use religion, others anti depressants, sex, steroids, plastic surgery.

Drug usage is a symptom as well as a cause and creates a sprial where it's difficult to differentiate cause and effect. You can go completely down the rabbit hole like Amy Whinehouse or Artie Lange but some people function quite highly on substances and achieve quite a lot. It's not entirely a chicken and egg thing or as black and white as people try to make it. There are people on drugs everywhere you go and with probably more than half of them it's barely obvious. Xanax, Prozac, Vicodin, weed, booze, diet pills, coke...

I can't find it in my heart to hate on people for being ill, but I get what you're saying in the way that it fucks up the lives of people trying to care for them. Labeling people "junkies" or "losers" is dehumanizing and dismissive I find and rarely helpful to the discussion. What drugs was Hitler on? Dahmer? Ed Gein? Roy Moore and Donald Trump are straight edge by all accounts.

My opinion of Prince remains unchanged. He was awesome and the world is poorer for having lost him.

Donald Trump is a good advert for taking drugs...

The fact that he is stone cold sober should convince anyone that taking drugs could be a good idea.

Like if you didn't know shit from shinola, and the only awareness you had of drugs was Donald Trump NOT taking them, that would be persuasive enough. Poetic license of course.

He could drive you to drugs...

you expressed what i largely feel as well.. Prince + MJ..

what a Sad Lonely and Tragic life they both had..

1Sasha said:

The biggest change for me was to realize how tragic his life truly was. There was no amount of fame or riches that could eliminate the feelings caused when he became collateral damage of his parents' relationship, and at a young age he built a wall around himself that no one could ever penetrate. He had no real love in his life, and to apparently everyone he was a cash register in one form or another. I feel so sad for him. So very sorry he had no one and nothing.

a total bunch of horse manure!

caffeine, alcohol, nicotine... ect

luvsexy4all said:

herb4 said:

so human in other words? We all hurt. At least we do if we're paying attention and give a shit about other people.

people who do drugs r hurting...

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