That's my theory. All the complaining and whining and bitching. No other artist gives his fans more, and we repay him by constantly wanting even more and complaining when we dont get it.

He has done nothing but give us music for the last three years. Concerts and aftershows, as close as we can get. A box set, a jazz album, a pinao album, one hour radio shows, exclusive trax...and we just complain.

Now, I am not saying that some of your complaints aren't totally justified, but in my opinion most of them aren't. And if I were him I would certainly be a bit depressed at the org threads on here. If he reads them, and I suspect he does.

So now what? Clearly he will never stop creating, but I believe he is through with us. I believe he is taking a well deserved vacation and probaly focusing on next year with his assured acceptance in to the Hall of Fame and the 20th Anniversary of Purple Rain.

Now I know he won't want to repeat the MUSIC of Purple Rain, but I bet he wants the success. So I think since the core of his fan base has seemingly (to him) abandoned him, where else can he turn...except to Comeback Land? He will release late this year or early next a huge new album through a major label and attempt Purple Rain type success. (Hopefully learning from "Rave's" failure).That's my theory.

Peace, Y'all...it was good while it lasted.

-Josh

joshmos said:

Prince gives us all that stuff? Funny, I've been paying a lot of money all this time. I woner why I paid $150 for a concert if he was just giving it away

I knew this would happen. A defensive, derisive, response. Whiny in tone.

OF COURSE I dont think he was GIVING IT AWAY FOR FREE!!! Sheeesh. I paid for all of that too! It was OFFERED to us. You dont have to join the club or buy the tix, dude.

I'm saying what I said. Read it again and take a deep breath. No other artist offers this stuff (yes for a fee, duh.) THAT"S EXACTLY the problem. It seems everyone here expects all this FREE stuff. Maybe it's because they are in a "club" and that denotes a kind of discount or something, but I paid for the privelge of seeing Prince third row center, for a sound check, show and yes FREE aftershow and the CD's (5 of them). The year before there were great tunes and radio shows galore.

This just proves my point above. You cant please anyone, And I think he must be sick of it. I know I am and it's not even my endeavor. I aplaud Prince's experiment in trying to get the music directly to us and let us in on his concerts so intimately. That's not ass-kissing it's truly how I feel, and if you wanted all of this for free...you're living in a fantasy world my friend.

joshmos said:

I think you need to re-read the posts because I don't want anything for free; I'm just tired of people pretending that Prince gave us all that stuff out of the kindness of his heart.

It was about MONEY and only about MONEY. Also, for the record I am not or was never unhappy with the club or Prince. But Prince certainly did not give us anything more then he promised us or what we paid for so you need to get off that trip.

I don't blame him.

Goes to show what a true spirited person he is putting up with all this...

At first I wasn't sure what to think in regards to Prince's feelings about the NPGMC '02, but I now feel Prince did get fed up with whiners and all the negativity, and his frustration is the reason behind the baby crying at the end of the Xpectation download.

Whatever the facts or the truth may be about the NPGMC situation (as far as unfair complaining vs. legitimate gripes) I don't know ...but now, months later, I have come to be of the personal opinion that Prince is fed up with some fans and their attitude(s), and the sound of the baby crying was meant as a statement of his feelings about the Club and some of his fans, and not an announcement of any impending birth, as some have speculated.

He should be sick of us because we want more music, we want the club re-activated and we want to see him on tour. Considering we pay measley worthless stinky, sweaty money for these priviledges he has every reason to be tired of us. Us FAMS do not have any bargaining tools or ploys. We accept everything he gives us and we are happy (at least I am ). All we want is access to new music and concerts. Come on Prince don't punish the Fams, punish the people who make you miserable, like the record companies (release a new hit like, "The Most Beautiful Girl In The World") and the Press (Don't give interviews, release them in the club!)!
I am such a fool! I actually believe that there actually some kind bond between us and him...
What a fool am I, because I will go to my grave believing this.

Long live PRINCE!
Long live the club (The Eagles are copying you now!)!

joshmos said:

Why dont you just mail NPGMC $100 and pretend you're in the club? It'll feel just like last year, not a damn thing happening for months.

AmethystAngelMN said:

I wa thinking same thing about the crying...maybe that's why he changed title to Xpectation...what WE expect from him.

origmnd said:

Yes, exactly.

The more I've thought about it over the past 3 months, combined with the continuing silence and the lack of a Club or any kind of communications from him about the future of the Club or a Celebration, I've really come to feel that both the title 'Xpectation' and the crying baby at the end, were his way of saying "Here, all you crybabies." and expressing his frustration with people's constant expectations of him.

Of course, this is just thoughts on my part. I hope I'm wrong. I hope Prince isn't fed up with his fans and isn't feeling sick of us all. I miss him.

Did you all ever stop to think,maybe it's his religion? Why would he be sick of people that support him and give him money?. People always complain at business.

Prince could give the fans the world and there would be the ones that would want a fence around it.Prince is smart enough to already know this stuff and he expects it. Prince has been criticized for years, it never stopped him before.

I would never put the blame on the fans as the reason Prince isnot doing anything, but that might be where they put the blame to hide the truth.

If it wasn't for the fans, there would have been no record sells, tickets to concerts sold, no mansions, etc.

He maybe sick of us, but he's smart enough to know it's where his money comes from.

There is a lot of complaining on these sites, but there is also a lot of love and compliments

and than there is also the fact that maybe he is taking a rest after touring 3 continents..

Everyone should just chill.

Someone as prolific as Prince is not just suddenly going to stop creating. How he decides to distribute his music is up to him and as we have seen recently he is willing to do this in a number of ways - independent release (Emancipation, TRC), major label release (RUTJF), downloads (Xpectation, CNOTE) and releases to club subscribers (ONA Piano).

The man is probably resting after a world tour and taking stock of his life. This could be true whether he is about to become a father or not.

Whatever he decides to do next one thing is for sure, it will surprise us and that's what I like about him.

I would love to see him up there with number 1 albums and both critical and popular acclaim once more but thats everything to do with me and nothing to do with him.

He will do as he wants to in his own sweet time. If we don't understand that by now then no-one is likely to. He is a law unto himself and I say more power to his elbow.

I am anticipating the new material as much as the next man. I check my inbox for news from NPGMC and check the Org for the latest rumours but no amount of complaining on my part is going to influence Prince.

So like I said before, just chill and enjoy the 25 years worth of music we already have and wait (im)patiently for the next chapter...

joshmos said:

what nonsense. i refuse to accept responsibility, or blame for prince's behavior.

We need a seperate forum called "Drama"

Tom said:

You still trippin...quit while your behind...

Tom said:

of course you would say that Tom, go figure...

Matt, that is cool advice. But damn it! I am so desprate for anything. Remember those post concert blues? That's how I feel now.

I doubt Prince lets fans critical remarks influence him at all. The baby crying at the end of XPectation could very well be directed at us, the club members, but his decision to lie low for the past few months was likely unreleated. The man has dealt with public criticism since 1978, and if criticism didn't phase him for the last 25 years, surely club members aren't going to drive him over the edge.

Anyway, club members' complaints were mainly not about the quality of the music (i.e. Prince's art) but the lack of information from the club. If Prince took that personally then the point was missed. I'm confident that his skin is thicker than that.

Tom said:

joshmos said:

you don't complain when you pay your money and it isn't delivered. Then you are a fool.





"great"


you mean the $$$???
Nr. 1 at the bank is his motto.




if prince would be like you he would have stopped years ago.

Don't mean to be rude, joshmos, but it seems like you've done your share of complaining, too:

http://www.prince.org/msg...&tid=11641

AmythystAngelMN wrote:
The more I've thought about it over the past 3 months, combined with the continuing silence and the lack of a Club or any kind of communications from him about the future of the Club or a Celebration, I've really come to feel that both the title 'Xpectation' and the crying baby at the end, were his way of saying "Here, all you crybabies." and expressing his frustration with people's constant expectations of him.

O.K. let's think about this logically. At the start of NPGMC2002 we were told to expect CDs and within that description of works in progress they did mention Instrumental Music. I think Xpectation was planned right from the beginning. I think the crying baby at the end of the album is a clue 2 a new direction in music from Prince as that is the sub-title of the Xpectation album anyway.
Also don't 4get the experiment in October 2002 of having a secret download page for Danish NPGMC fans only. This secret download page idea was later utilised for Xpectation & C-Note. I don't think, prolific as Prince is, that he would rush record anything 4 anybody. People need 2 Chill Out and wait & c what happens. The retail only page is a breathing space for Prince 2 probably record more or build Xpectation for Year 3. I'm sure there will be a Year 3 whether it begins in May or December but I doubt Prince will not deliver some sort of form of music this year.
I miss the club 2 but people need 2 stop looking in2 things so much & speculating. I'm sure he's not sick of us.
It's music, enjoy it 4 awhile...

ORGER"S ORGER"S ORGER"S...

Why do people here invariably misinterpret other's posts?

First of all... this, as stated above, is only my THEORY. I Dont think WE are to blame, just my idea that PRINCE in his defensiveness may be disenchanted with us based on his behavior in the past.

I also do think people here complain like Prince owes them something more than what he promises through his club. Yes it's (the club) not perfect but no one responded to my saying how great it was to see those shows last year. SO close and for so long. Everyone just wants to pick people apart on here, which is why I hardly ever post.

I dont expect him to give us something for nothing. Never have. And I wasn't complaining about anything in that post of mine about the CLUB not giving us stuff or wanting more stuff...I was trying to order tix for the ONA shows in NYC and couldn't gert thru, frustration with the server and trying to ask if anyone knew anything, sheesh THAT was a stretch!!

Look forward to next year everyone...or just keep complaining, YOUR choice.

I know where u are coming from - but u have 2 remember - it is SO easy 2 take what someone actually MEANS out of context of how it is READ.

Yeah, some 'complain' - but 2 others, they may simply be stating an opinion - bouncing these ideas back and forth in this kind of forum is healthy. It's a good thing. U think Prince aint ever complained/expressed HIS opinion?

I think it is a very negative and alarmist thing 2 even start 2 think that He is basically wiping His hands clean of us purely because it seems like we are bickering at each other - trust me, even the people Ive had differences of OPINION with on here, I KNOW that its all good with them at the end of the day.

We all have a right 2 be able 2 share how we feel - and just beacuse u may or may not agree with a statement of opinion - doesnt mean it is either right or wrong. It's all relative: one person's $100 may be peanuts compared 2 say a young fam flipping burgers 4 that ca$h...

I think many orgers are getting waaay 2 wrapped up in the negative aspects of this thing with the NPGMC - there has been no confirmation of it being folded yet - so have a little faith. If He believes in it as much as He obviously does (ie: remember last year???) then it'll be all good.

If not, then well I guess we'll lose something unique and special - but He'll lose that 2. Hopefully, He'll stick with it, and ride the rough seas 2 calmer waters.

BE POSITIVE.
xxx

'Dont kiss the beast - be superior at least...'

...and when i say: 'U' in the above post - i dont mean anyone in particular ok!!! *waves white flag!*

just thought id mention that in advance of getting my Limey ass flamed!

U're damn fast!

Yes u are right i had my best Prince year year in 2002.

Dont complain att all hope we geth this year the same year 2 .

Love No complain peace