The only thing I think the fan community needs is an official, content filled site for purchasing music and videos, news of upcoming shows/projects and even if Prince wants to post the occasional navel gazing essay, that's okay too....

These days, many of us "old" people, (you know, the ones who have money to spend and are used to actually buying rather than downloading stuff), are less interested in cryptic messages, solving riddles and predicting who his next conquest will be. I suspect that most of us are primarily interested in music related content. We have families, mortgages, careers and all manner of life events going on and therefore less time for Prince's cat and mouse games.

I will take you at your word that you are doing other things with your time besides getting entrenched in Princey world. As long as you stay focused on learning and making the most of your talents, there's no telling how far you can go in life because you carry yourself very well. I'm happy to hear that you have your priorities in order.

You remind me a bit of my oldest son when he was your age and I'd love to hear what your plans are for your future. You can orgnote me if you'd rather not broadcast your biz on this thread.

Best of luck.

babynoz said:

The only thing I think the fan community needs is an official, content filled site for purchasing music and videos, news of upcoming shows/projects and even if Prince wants to post the occasional navel gazing essay, that's okay too....

These days, many of us "old" people, (you know, the ones who have money to spend and are used to actually buying rather than downloading stuff), are less interested in cryptic messages, solving riddles and predicting who his next conquest will be. I suspect that most of us are primarily interested in music related content. We have families, mortgages, careers and all manner of life events going on and therefore less time for Prince's cat and mouse games.

I will take you at your word that you are doing other things with your time besides getting entrenched in Princey world. As long as you stay focused on learning and making the most of your talents, there's no telling how far you can go in life because you carry yourself very well. I'm happy to hear that you have your priorities in order.

You remind me a bit of my oldest son when he was your age and I'd love to hear what your plans are for your future. You can orgnote me if you'd rather not broadcast your biz on this thread.

Best of luck.

nice

Prince's fan-base is very varied, and like you, Jester, I'm a new/younger fan who didn't experience all the highs and, more importantly in this context, the lows that have affected the sense of community. A venue that works with--rather than against--these differences seems like it would come, as others have already said, in the form of single, stable, frequently-updated official website; no frills and no need for an artist-controlled discussion board.

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I get where you're coming from, but then I wonder/worry that maybe we've missed the boat somehow? I also worry that the financial/marketing motivation behind an increased online presence might eclipse the presumably different motivation behind a Prince-organized fan community. I'm sounding pretty defeatist and I guess atypical for my age group...haha... but it's hard to figure out how to engage with an artist who, as others have said, has made a distance between us and him intrinsic to his brand. For any gesture to feel genuine on Prince's part and, in a way, match the closeness one feels from listening to his music, it kind of needs to come from him no matter how awesome everyone's suggestions might be.

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I'm pretty late in the game with social media (in fact, joining the Org is my first foray into Internet communities, Lord help me... ), but I'm increasingly seeing the value of these virtual connections and you've definitely played a part in that, Jester. Maybe I'll also graduate to other social media and we'll reconnect there.

xpertluva said:

Sassey said:

Forgive me if I somehow missed the answer to my question, but what exactly did Prince do to you that could warrant charges being filed?

she needs a mental health evaluation. Crazyyyyyyyyyy

lwr001 said:

xpertluva said:

Forgive me if I somehow missed the answer to my question, but what exactly did Prince do to you that could warrant charges being filed?

she needs a mental health evaluation. Crazyyyyyyyyyy

Ok, I guess that would explain a lot.

EyeJester7 said:

".....I've been in communication about community very earnestly, these past weeks! Discussing a place/ideas, for Prince fans to share love, discussion, or simply all things related to his work. My question for you all here is, what do you aim for in a community? I was not around during the NPGMC days, but I have heard it was somehow centered on discussion, and a lot of you still remain connected to some people

Interesting. NPGMC was definitely a community. Just like this site though, not everyone was happy with everything about that site, i.e., music output, ticket prices, the way the forums were run, but then there were many that did enjoy the NPGMC; the pre-sale tix for members or discounted tix for members before concert tix went on sale to the general public, and often times the tix sold to members were for seats close to the stage/front row seats. Also allowing members entry to shows first;online single purchases, etc.

As far as a fan community, where there are forums on the site, there will always be 'differences' of opinions, involving any artist's music/concert, etc. when fans share their ideas/opinions, and not all fans will get along and sing kumbaya or O Happy Day.

If a musician's/artist's goal is to open a site where the focus is about getting the music out to the fans for purchase, keeping them updated on upcoming shows/tours and selling tix to those shows, etc., then it's not that difficult to set up a site to do just that. If the artist wants to allow forums or not, then that's up to the artist. However fans will more than likely seek other forms of social media, such as you did, to share their opinions and experiences, regarding the music/concerts, especially if there are no forums on a specific artist's site for fans to do so, which is why many come to the Org and other, related sites, to share their experiences or discuss the music.

U guys. Jester, me and alot of members and ex members have created a community of network on facebook and twitter. Prince.org is great and should always be there because its a constant in ourlives but unfortunately it isn't the best for everything and alot of die hards don't come on here at all anymore. On facebook we don't hide behind user names and we don't hide our real lives and we come together.

join my facebook group and many others. Make REAL FRIENDS. get attactive guys. and u'll see wat i mean.

https://www.facebook.com/...tif_t=like

bober said:

Caroke said:

jonylawson said:

Sassey said:

Purpleaxxe1972 said:

VenusBlingBling said:

babynoz said:

luv4u said:

Stymie said:

Superconductor said:

Stymie said:

i don't feel Jester has changed his style of writing at all. This site is weird: dump on the positive. Dump on the negative.

Maybe his style hasn't changed but it is verbose. Plus he dropped hints without explaining further. Why did he ask these questions? And what's he doing with the answers? [Edited 5/31/13 5:08am]

I didn't mean to say he's changed his whole style, I just meant what Superconductor wrote. I congratulated Jester when he was picked and have no reason to just "dump the negative" on him out of jealousy. It's just an observation I have made that people surrounding Prince, including "normal" fans, tend to sound more mysterious and....unspecific... while somehow being part of the camp.

Would be nice to get a response from him regarding his ideas.

VenusBlingBling said:

Superconductor said:

Stymie said: Maybe his style hasn't changed but it is verbose. Plus he dropped hints without explaining further. Why did he ask these questions? And what's he doing with the answers? [Edited 5/31/13 5:08am]

I didn't mean to say he's changed his whole style, I just meant what Superconductor wrote. I congratulated Jester when he was picked and have no reason to just "dump the negative" on him out of jealousy. It's just an observation I have made that people surrounding Prince, including "normal" fans, tend to sound more mysterious and....unspecific... while somehow being part of the camp.

Would be nice to get a response from him regarding his ideas.

I apologize for misunderstanding you.

Stymie said:

VenusBlingBling said:

I didn't mean to say he's changed his whole style, I just meant what Superconductor wrote. I congratulated Jester when he was picked and have no reason to just "dump the negative" on him out of jealousy. It's just an observation I have made that people surrounding Prince, including "normal" fans, tend to sound more mysterious and....unspecific... while somehow being part of the camp.

Would be nice to get a response from him regarding his ideas.

I apologize for misunderstanding you.

Thanks, no worry!

Stymie said:

Sassey said:

First I will say there are some great people in this community but there's also a small cancer cell of members who hurt the community. Allegedly Prince is the man behind the curtain, scheming and running his team like a multi-level marketing business. This is his biggest fan community but they're spreading out all over various social networking sites. I think the point of this thread is for Eyejester (and Prince) to find out what fans think and if he'll be able to steer members of this fan community over to his Prince2013 or some other official Prince website where there is only "Love4OneAnother" since Prince must think another Community better than prince.org needs to be developed. He allegedly leads a cult and wants certain fans to help him develop a bigger cult following. If this is true and I do think it is true, I'm only here to let him and his people know how much I oppose of the way he allows his “Fams/Purple People/” to promote him. It's very negative. I won't sit back and keep watching him and his people recruit fans like Shelbey and now Eyejester so they can become replacements for those who previously did his dirty work and are no longer a part of his organization. When certain people were a part of his staff they did irrevocable damage on this site and other social networking sites. Eyejester should be made aware of this and I hope he does tread carefully and doesn't fall under his spell. EyeJester said he can tell us Prince is concerned about his legacy and he's not some ruthless man, stripped from integrity but I'll believe it when I see otherwise since his actions speak louder than any megaphone.

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I know artists have always used models and fans but it seems like Prince still feels the need to objectify women, use certain fans as tools, and treat them badly when his fans are the ones who help him pay his bills. He has been late a few times with paying his taxes so I think his fan base could be slowly diminishing. He has a history of insulting and taunting people/fans in his music (Billy Jack Bitch, No More Candy, Box of Chocolates, etc) and I still don’t understand why he can't simply release music and allow the fans to enjoy it instead of always playing games and making things difficult. He must always be so secretive and deceiving to try to build up excitement for his new releases. For every new release his people use his personal relationships to promote his music. Maybe they think his personal life is more interesting than his music and this is why certain fans keep bringing it up and discuss it ad nauseam. Someone on his promo team should let him know the pimp daddy image doesn't look good on him and as his protégé list keeps getting longer and he keeps walking with the cane, it makes him look more and more suspect. No matter what anyone says there's a pattern of new "Fams" being chosen by Prince. After the fans get inducted into his...organization they are given free reign to praise him for things as ridiculous as his "mystique" which only reveals Prince has been trying to hide something he hasn't wanted people to know for a very long time, they encourage gossip, and some even speak on his behalf.

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He takes the mystique thing way too far. Too much mystery can cause problems and by Prince just sitting back “laying in the cut”, he's created a problem. It became apparent to me that there is indeed “so many variations from the conscious of one” speaking for Prince and his foot soldiers work hard getting all of his messages out there. EyeJester is his latest recruit...actually "the GIRL” is his latest but Eyejester seems to be his new voice of reason. I personally think Eyejester is more enjoyable to listen to than drfunkenberry but still find it creepy the way Prince uses his fans to speak for him. He probably sees it as using them to promote him and no matter what they do or say (good or bad) he's still getting promotion and I'm sure Prince believes even if he loses he wins as he said in one of his recent releases.

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I think progression is needed but before there is progression, Prince needs to first take responsibility for the negativity he intiates and apologize for it. Some members, including the OP need to take off the purple blinders and stop trying to be obscure like Prince with rants about community development and telling people to check out their login history. I know I've logged in many time but unlike the OP who admits he was "literally addicted", "obsessed", and "came here religiously and stalked this place", I'm here because I am very angry with Prince and his people and I know the best way I could currently reach Prince is by joining his fan community, get MY message to him, and allow his fan community to bear witness. The OP posted the big picture of Prince holding the megaphone so I guess this Community In Development thread is just Jester being the human megaphone for what Prince wants to say but doesn't have to because he can get fans like him to rant for him. For those who don't get this "USE" thing, this thread is a good example of how fans, of their own free will become tools and 'megaphones' for him. Prince doesn't see anything wrong with how he and his people take advantage of obsessed fans who stalk this site like Eyejester admitted he used to do. I hope the OP and a few others realize Prince is the one who actually starts and encourages mystery, confusion, negativity and bickering in the Community. He is not straightforward about anything and everything must be a secret with him. I don't care how much "Love4OneAnother" verbiage him and his people spill. I feel it's only for promotional purposes and to try to make Prince look like he's a nice person but his actions always prove otherwise. Members of this community need to realize this and simply ignore members they disagree with instead of making assumptions about things they have no idea about. If they don't come to the realization there won't be much progression but there will be less members in this Prince fan Community.
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Yeah Eyejester it could all be "jiving" and "fun" for Prince and it obviously is but IF HE DOESN'T ALREADY KNOW, HE NEEDS TO KNOW THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS IN THE PRINCE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE REPRESENTED HIM AND THEY ARE CORRUPT. I don't know if Prince still has these people representing him since I know he had to make some staff changes over the last few years but if he's still using the same promotional tactics, and it appears he is still doing the same with new fans, I advise him to stop before he ruins his legacy he's supposedly concerned about.

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When I first noticed Eyejester last year on this site he seemed like an obsessed but articulate, personable, nice young man who said and did all the right things to get Prince's people to contact him. Eventually they did contact him (it didn't really take very long, did it?) and he's now fulfilling his role, I assume. I'm not stating Prince is in fact leading a cult and wants his chosen members to help him further develop his cult but I will say after reading this thread, Eyejester comes off as confusing, mysterious, and like he's now here as a foot soldier doing market research and development for Prince. Instead of using his fans to handle his business I think Prince should pay a professional publicist like I should probably pay my attorney instead of coming to his fan Community to give him a chance to apologize and clean up his act before a Judge makes him clean it up. It's obvious I really don't want to formally press charges on Prince or any of his Fams/Purple people but I will if he gives me no other choice. Until I get an apology from him I will be all over the internet and in every Prince fan Community like a next-door neighbor raising hell with my volume up full blast. Whoever has a "problem" with me will need to get over it like some fans think I'm suppose to just get over what Prince and his "Fams/Purple People/" did to me.

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Lastly, if certain fans in this community such as 2elijah and 1725topp can post long essays I can too. Every member has the choice to read or not read, to reply or not reply. I'm not even looking for any replies to anything I post. I only want to make sure Prince is aware of everything I post. After reading the OP's rant and seeing the big picture of Prince with the megaphone I'm sure he's aware.

[Edited 5/23/13 11:47am]

this post is a hot damn ghetto mess.

When did the truth become a hot damn ghetto mess? Ghetto? I see some members will say anything to try to discredit my posts.

VenusBlingBling said:

Superconductor said:

Stymie said: Maybe his style hasn't changed but it is verbose. Plus he dropped hints without explaining further. Why did he ask these questions? And what's he doing with the answers? [Edited 5/31/13 5:08am]

I didn't mean to say he's changed his whole style, I just meant what Superconductor wrote. I congratulated Jester when he was picked and have no reason to just "dump the negative" on him out of jealousy. It's just an observation I have made that people surrounding Prince, including "normal" fans, tend to sound more mysterious and....unspecific... while somehow being part of the camp.

Would be nice to get a response from him regarding his ideas.

I've made the same observation but I now know why.

Sassey said:

VenusBlingBling said:

I didn't mean to say he's changed his whole style, I just meant what Superconductor wrote. I congratulated Jester when he was picked and have no reason to just "dump the negative" on him out of jealousy. It's just an observation I have made that people surrounding Prince, including "normal" fans, tend to sound more mysterious and....unspecific... while somehow being part of the camp.

Would be nice to get a response from him regarding his ideas.

I've made the same observation but I now know why.

Because Prince tells them what to type? Certainly sounds like it

VenusBlingBling said:

Sassey said:

I've made the same observation but I now know why.

Because Prince tells them what to type? Certainly sounds like it

I had to edit myself. I think so and some type what they think Prince wants them to type. You know they want those concert tickets and the chance to meet him.

[Edited 6/4/13 9:46am]

babynoz said:

The only thing I think the fan community needs is an official, content filled site for purchasing music and videos, news of upcoming shows/projects and even if Prince wants to post the occasional navel gazing essay, that's okay too....

These days, many of us "old" people, (you know, the ones who have money to spend and are used to actually buying rather than downloading stuff), are less interested in cryptic messages, solving riddles and predicting who his next conquest will be. I suspect that most of us are primarily interested in music related content. We have families, mortgages, careers and all manner of life events going on and therefore less time for Prince's cat and mouse games.

This.

Jester, Prince missed the boat on building a true community a long time ago already. It's not that he didn't have the vision (listen to the intro of Exodus), it's more that he never really tried and that the few times he did, he gave up on it in a heartbeat.

There will be no community when it is "artist-controlled". There will be no community when you communicate in riddles. And for sure there will be no community when you manage to piss off pretty much every fan you have ever had, even many of the very "positive ones", with questionable business practices.

The org tho', now that is a community. Much more, with all due respect, than any facebook or other social media clique. Because that's what facebook is. The org is a place where everybody with any interest in all things Prince gets together. The great diversity of Prince fans and the like. Complete idiots and assholes and totally brilliant and wonderful people. Clashing with eachother and embracing eachother. Pretty much like who Prince is.

I would suggest that if Prince wants to remain the popstar "Prince", with all the "mystery" and all the "glamour". All the bullshit. Then please don't try to commune again.

But if Prince wants to go back to the truth of his vision he already expressed nearly 2 decades ago, then bless him. Build that online record store and fill it with all the music that you have and your fans want to pay you and appreciate you for.

Future phone rings:

. New Power Generation
- Is this Paisley Park?
. No, this is not that record company
This is N.P.G. Records
- Are U conducting a talent search?
. Yes, that's true
We are conducting a worldwide talent search
- What are U looking 4?
. What are we looking 4?
- Yes
. Well, first and foremost, U have 2 get free
- Free?
. U know, when it comes time 2 download your work into your fans' computers
U can't have any other contractual obligations
- Ahh
. Second of all, U have 2 get smart
- Wait a minute
. The more substantial your education, the more substantial your income in the new city
- Really?
. And thirdly and above all
- What?
. In the face of all adversity, U must be able 2 ...

[Edited 6/21/13 12:03pm]

Superconductor said:

Prince already has such a website. It is called 3rdeyegirl.

It no doubt has the potential.

But I am talking about his entire independent catalogue.

And in as far as possible, his WB catalogue.

Including lots of officially still unreleased material.

Moreover, I am talking about a sustainable business.

Conducting proper and sutainable business practices.

Guaranteeing it success.

So where is Jester now, aren't we going to get any feedback? Come one Prince, type something!