RodeoSchro said:

How much did you pay for access to 3rdeyegirl.com?

How much did you pay for tracks at 3rdeyegirl.com?

How does the track cost at 3rdeyegirl.com compare to what you'd pay for a song at iTunes?

Did you like the songs and videos you purchased from 3rdeyegirl.com?

Did you enjoy the experience of waking up every day and possibly hearing yet another new Prince song?

If 3rdeyegirl.com does not post any more new songs, have you received the benefit for whatever you bargained (paid) for?

How much did you pay for access to 3rdeyegirl.com?

not a cent

How much did you pay for tracks at 3rdeyegirl.com?

88 cents

How does the track cost at 3rdeyegirl.com compare to what you'd pay for a song at iTunes?

costs less

Did you like the songs and videos you purchased from 3rdeyegirl.com?

yes i do!

Did you enjoy the experience of waking up every day and possibly hearing yet another new Prince song?

i love the mystery!!

If 3rdeyegirl.com does not post any more new songs, have you received the benefit for whatever you bargained (paid) for?

more than received the benefit. even if it disappears overnight i've had a lot of fun.

I wish he would stop pissing about and release a fucking album!

And write some proper friggin lyrics!

So was there a new download?

maplesyrupnjam said:

Does anyone else think Prince is a master troller? He puts up pay per download tracks on 3rdeyemusicgirl, which aren't must listen to's & then a kickass track excerpt goes up on HD Vimeo of a rehearsal that is free The best track is free!

Trickology said:

Does anyone else think Prince is a master troller? He puts up pay per download tracks on 3rdeyemusicgirl, which aren't must listen to's & then a kickass track excerpt goes up on HD Vimeo of a rehearsal that is free The best track is free!

Which track are you referring to? Plectrum Electrum? That is hardly the best track.

MIRvmn said:

maplesyrupnjam said:

I wish he would stop pissing about and release a fucking album!

And write some proper friggin lyrics!

I agree, we need a new album

RodeoSchro said:

How much did you pay for access to 3rdeyegirl.com?

How much did you pay for tracks at 3rdeyegirl.com?

How does the track cost at 3rdeyegirl.com compare to what you'd pay for a song at iTunes?

Did you like the songs and videos you purchased from 3rdeyegirl.com?

Did you enjoy the experience of waking up every day and possibly hearing yet another new Prince song?

If 3rdeyegirl.com does not post any more new songs, have you received the benefit for whatever you bargained (paid) for?

I think it goes back to that saying of "someone gives you an inch and you want to take a mile." We get what we ask for, but then when we get it, we just want more. it's only human but at the end of the day we need to think in RodeoSchro's perspective. We'll be happier that way. I don't think 3rdeye.com is done however. I think more stuff will come. whether it will be just the girls stuff (God I hope not) or Prince solo ( ) more stuff will come.

maplesyrupnjam said:

I wish he would stop pissing about and release a fucking album!

And write some proper friggin lyrics!

That's why we don't need to rush him,

jeffreymiller said:

MIRvmn said:

I agree, we need a new album

Yep, new album ASAP!

Prince does that easy

then he's not inspired by it, rushes a video or nothing, hardly or ever performs the music

and also we want to get a good physical copy with good cover art, lyrics etc a

and then who is going to distribute it.

If he rushes it it might come thru a newspaper again, in Lavaux or Austin texas only

OldFriends4Sale said:

maplesyrupnjam said:

I wish he would stop pissing about and release a fucking album!

And write some proper friggin lyrics!

That's why we don't need to rush him,

Well then throw up some older performance or song.

he's got hundreds of outtakes gathering dust. not just the goold old stuff from the 80s

but probably way more tracks from the 90s and 00s.

so what's the hold up, really?

he's probably got like 30 tracks from the last 2 years alone that aren't intended for an

album or any other project.

it would be so easy for him to throw a song each week onto that site.

i sincerely hope there will be more prince songs up there in the near future. but in my

gut, i just feel that if we're gonna get anything at all, it'll be 3rdeyegirl songs with him

on guitar and the girls singing, like LOL.

he seems to be sitting on some healthy songs (down, ain't gon' miss u) but i bet he's

still holding on to them, searching for another outlet.

you know that if a company throwns him an advance of a million + he'll release that

album next month.

meanwhile we're begging for more crumbs from the table.

this 3rdeyegirl thing started out quite exciting but as usual the momentum is not kept

and things slowly fizzle out.

a bit of an update would be nice. like "more songs next month" or simply "that's all for

now, maybe more in autumn".

argh, i'm at it again. got sucked in again

anyway, i like the songs we got this far, that's something at least.

IstenSzek said:

he's got hundreds of outtakes gathering dust. not just the goold old stuff from the 80s

but probably way more tracks from the 90s and 00s.

so what's the hold up, really?

he's probably got like 30 tracks from the last 2 years alone that aren't intended for an

album or any other project.

it would be so easy for him to throw a song each week onto that site.

i

bingo G-Money

IstenSzek said:

he's got hundreds of outtakes gathering dust. not just the goold old stuff from the 80s

but probably way more tracks from the 90s and 00s.

so what's the hold up, really?

he's probably got like 30 tracks from the last 2 years alone that aren't intended for an

album or any other project.

it would be so easy for him to throw a song each week onto that site.

i sincerely hope there will be more prince songs up there in the near future. but in my

gut, i just feel that if we're gonna get anything at all, it'll be 3rdeyegirl songs with him

on guitar and the girls singing, like LOL.

he seems to be sitting on some healthy songs (down, ain't gon' miss u) but i bet he's

still holding on to them, searching for another outlet.

you know that if a company throwns him an advance of a million + he'll release that

album next month.

meanwhile we're begging for more crumbs from the table.

this 3rdeyegirl thing started out quite exciting but as usual the momentum is not kept

and things slowly fizzle out.

a bit of an update would be nice. like "more songs next month" or simply "that's all for

now, maybe more in autumn".

argh, i'm at it again. got sucked in again

anyway, i like the songs we got this far, that's something at least.

Good points but remember this: Even though Prince looks upon being a musician as akin to being a servant, this is his livelihood. It's how he earns a living.

He's been rich before, and then gone broke. He's rich again, but he knows that nothing is forever and some unforeseen disaster might hurt him financially.

So, he tries to sell his product in the way that benefits him the most. I think he is a definite believer in the laws of supply and demand and, when he became "free", realized that he really couldn't release all the music he wanted to. At least, not without diminishing the price he could get, and the willingness of his audience to purchase the entire supply.

Prince has been experimenting these last 10 years with every distribution method anyone can think of. It doesn't appear he's found the one he thinks is the best, so he keeps stuff locked up, waiting to find another, better way of distributing it.

He wants to please us but I'm sure one of the thoughts foremost in his head is "Hey, I've already given y'all 500 songs. It's not like you don't have something to listen to while I figure out what to do next!"

My best advice re: Prince is to never expect anything and be pleasantly surprised at whatever he releases it, whenever he releases it.

RodeoSchro said:

IstenSzek said:

he's got hundreds of outtakes gathering dust. not just the goold old stuff from the 80s

but probably way more tracks from the 90s and 00s.

so what's the hold up, really?

he's probably got like 30 tracks from the last 2 years alone that aren't intended for an

album or any other project.

it would be so easy for him to throw a song each week onto that site.

i sincerely hope there will be more prince songs up there in the near future. but in my

gut, i just feel that if we're gonna get anything at all, it'll be 3rdeyegirl songs with him

on guitar and the girls singing, like LOL.

he seems to be sitting on some healthy songs (down, ain't gon' miss u) but i bet he's

still holding on to them, searching for another outlet.

you know that if a company throwns him an advance of a million + he'll release that

album next month.

meanwhile we're begging for more crumbs from the table.

this 3rdeyegirl thing started out quite exciting but as usual the momentum is not kept

and things slowly fizzle out.

a bit of an update would be nice. like "more songs next month" or simply "that's all for

now, maybe more in autumn".

argh, i'm at it again. got sucked in again

anyway, i like the songs we got this far, that's something at least.

Good points but remember this: Even though Prince looks upon being a musician as akin to being a servant, this is his livelihood. It's how he earns a living.

He's been rich before, and then gone broke. He's rich again, but he knows that nothing is forever and some unforeseen disaster might hurt him financially.

So, he tries to sell his product in the way that benefits him the most.

Then throwing up a version of OF4S or something else would get him some financial security. Some one off live version from the 80's or even 90's of hims doing a song would generate a lot of duckets for him.

Personally, I think the 3rdeyegirl method is a step in the right direction.

For these reasons:

1. It's easy

2. It requires NO MEMBERSHIP FEE (yay)

3. The files don't have DRM

4. He putting 'demos' up there--so it's interesting to see demos vs. alternate versions or finished products in relatively high quality.

He just needs to:

1. Pick a better site name and stick with it

2. Concsider proper album releases, and releases of back-catelogue material

3. funnel updates to the org--not Dr. Fuckinberries

but it could have all worked out so much better if prince hadn't changed his mind

every other month about his distribution methods over the past decade.

he's had websites before, but always with gimmicky urls and weird content or an

insane subscription fee.

people joined those, got burned, to a certain extent and didn't try again. the flock

of people still supporting everything he does just got smaller and smaller.

lotusflower was another perfect example. those people that were left, just gave up

after that site went down.

he knows by now that he'll never get even a hundred thousand online fans to buy

from his weird websites.

he could have had a million people snap up his new tracks if he'd treated his fans

a bit better online. by just having 1 adress, staying there -always. keeping all the

songs up -always. no subscription, pay as you go.

with all the major exposure he's had the past decade and the few minor hitsongs

he had, the tv appearances, the grammys, the oscars, coachella etc etc etc etc..

traffic to his site would have steadily increased and with actual good content up,

ready for purchase (including post warners back catalogue), his site would be a

good outlet for his new tunes. because he would have 100 x the following online

that he has now.

who even manages to find his new site without prince org or doc funkenberry?

prince makes his money from touring, that's why he's on the road like all of the

time lately. two big shows and he's made the same amount of money he makes

from an album like news that only sold 40,000 copies.

as far as his experimentation with distribution methods outside of the internet is

concerned, i think he's burned a lot of bridges at this point. he tried a few things

and some of them worked out very well for him. for him. not always so for those

who did the distributing. and if he doesn't do that well himself he'll turn around

and blame those whose help he needed in the first place. so he gets his album

out, makes his money, but has no real way to go back to that source again for a

future release.

so then why release anything at all anymore? well, that's actually a good point.

i guess he doesn't have to. yet he still does, which is cool enough.

i'd just think that since there's only peanuts to be made form his new music, on

or offline, why not just sell it to his remaining hardcore fanbase who want that

MUSIC. he's got no way in his life of selling everything he has, which must be a

thousand unreleased songs at the very least by now. plus all those shows he's

got taped etc etc.

why not just put some of it out there and see what happens in the long run. just

leave it there and don't take it down after 3 months or switch urls again etc etc.

and if all those outtakes are so darn special to him that he doesn't want to ever

release them online since that is somehow sub par, then why the heck doesn't

he just start his own 'alternate anthology' series? just invest some money from

his shows in printing up a small series of boxsets, covering 79-96 and sell it in

stores?

it's just frustrating.

imago said:

Fuckinberries

rdhull said:

RodeoSchro said:

Good points but remember this: Even though Prince looks upon being a musician as akin to being a servant, this is his livelihood. It's how he earns a living.

He's been rich before, and then gone broke. He's rich again, but he knows that nothing is forever and some unforeseen disaster might hurt him financially.

So, he tries to sell his product in the way that benefits him the most.

Then throwing up a version of OF4S or something else would get him some financial security. Some one off live version from the 80's or even 90's of hims doing a song would generate a lot of duckets for him.

I've got to imagine that Prince and his financial people have looked at things like that from every perspective.

I wish I had enough knowledge of the music business to put together some projections on that kind of stuff.

It seems really obvious to us to do stuff like you've proposed but there is apparently something that makes Prince believe it wouldn't be all that great for him.

I really wish I could figure it out but I don't think Prince withholds vault stuff for no reason at all. I'm pretty certain that if he thought he could make money from it, he'd do it.

HonestMan13 said:

It's over. I saw 3rd Eye Girl in Minneapolis they had a sign "Will work for glasses".

RodeoSchro said:

rdhull said:

Then throwing up a version of OF4S or something else would get him some financial security. Some one off live version from the 80's or even 90's of hims doing a song would generate a lot of duckets for him.

I've got to imagine that Prince and his financial people have looked at things like that from every perspective.

I wish I had enough knowledge of the music business to put together some projections on that kind of stuff.

It seems really obvious to us to do stuff like you've proposed but there is apparently something that makes Prince believe it wouldn't be all that great for him.

I really wish I could figure it out but I don't think Prince withholds vault stuff for no reason at all. I'm pretty certain that if he thought he could make money from it, he'd do it.

Im not talking a big project..but he has at least 700 songs from the past

throwing a few up there in the interim for whatever lags there are wont have any effects on his ifnancial ruin or prosperity. All it will do is inspoire goodwill for future revenue from fans imo.

rdhull said:

RodeoSchro said:

I've got to imagine that Prince and his financial people have looked at things like that from every perspective.

I wish I had enough knowledge of the music business to put together some projections on that kind of stuff.

It seems really obvious to us to do stuff like you've proposed but there is apparently something that makes Prince believe it wouldn't be all that great for him.

I really wish I could figure it out but I don't think Prince withholds vault stuff for no reason at all. I'm pretty certain that if he thought he could make money from it, he'd do it.

Im not talking a big project..but he has at least 700 songs from the past

throwing a few up there in the interim for whatever lags there are wont have any effects on his ifnancial ruin or prosperity. All it will do is inspoire goodwill for future revenue from fans imo.

Yeah but I don't know that Prince is concerned about goodwill. He's concerned about, as he put it, "Being number one at the bank".

And he HAS released nuggets before. If he's following the old showbiz maxim that you should always leave them wanting more, all I can say is "OK, mission accomplished!"

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RodeoSchro said:

rdhull said:

Then throwing up a version of OF4S or something else would get him some financial security. Some one off live version from the 80's or even 90's of hims doing a song would generate a lot of duckets for him.

I've got to imagine that Prince and his financial people have looked at things like that from every perspective.

I wish I had enough knowledge of the music business to put together some projections on that kind of stuff.

It seems really obvious to us to do stuff like you've proposed but there is apparently something that makes Prince believe it wouldn't be all that great for him.

I really wish I could figure it out but I don't think Prince withholds vault stuff for no reason at all. I'm pretty certain that if he thought he could make money from it, he'd do it.

the only reason he hasn't sold those outtakes yet is because it's the last carrot

he's got to dangle in front of us hardcore fans.

remember when the designer of lotusflower said that they'd sifted through 10

cd's worth of outtake material for the site.

he's probably hanging on to all the 80s and early 90s outtakes for remastered

editions of his albums. although those remasters seem to be getting less and

less certain of ever being released anyway.

or there might be some legal matters with those outtakes since they were for

a big part recorded whilst he was under contract with warners. i don't know

anything about all those contracts etc.

however, he could still sell lots and lots of his post warners outtakes. but he

doesn't seem interested. sadly.

as for him making money on downloads vs him releasing an actual album in

stores. i think he's mentioned that before. he doesn't put his music up on

itunes because they don't give him a big enough advance.

the newspaper deals he made gave him a couple of million in advance. so he

already made the money before the albums hit the streets.

promo wise and tour setlist wise it's obvious that prince by and large just

forgets about most of his new music the minute he got his money in the bank.

so it seems likely that unless he's pretty sure he's gonna make anywhere in

the region of 2 to 5 million from a new album, he's just not interested.

it's likely the artist in him that keeps getting him to release music online like

at 3rdeyegirl.com because he's excited (for a moment) about something and

doesn't want to wait until he finally secures a deal somewhere.

but realistically he's probably making only a very small amount of money on

tracks like those.

didn't someone put a gestimate of the total downloads from 3rdeyegirl in one

of the threads recently? they somehow got hold of the numbers and it was a

number in the 20.000s or something like that for all tracks combined.

i guess we all understand that it's more goodwill if he keeps on releasing the

music through 3rdeyegirl the way he has until now.

but i would think it didn't really matter that much to him if he makes 100 mil

yearly from touring.

errant said:

Nothing new for awhile. Last upload was a vido for a protege track a week and a half or 2 weeks ago. One before that was a repeat of something already given away on youtube 2 months earlier. Release before that was the aforementioned protege track. He performed with a different band at SXSW.

So this 3rdEyeGirl thing is done, right? At least the website/paid download portion.

check out the pics from sxsw, you can clearly see the female guitarist with one side of her head shaved there. I don't think he would go to the trouble of playing with them all this time to just abandon them to do sxsw. He didn't even play guitar that night, so he definately needed someone he could count on.

I don't see anything to complain about. You buy the songs or you don't.

It's a bloody obscure website... anyone googling Prince is unlikely to find it. Plus if you did just stumble upon it via a search or link from twitter... I'd be reluctant to hand over my credit card because it doesn't look like anyones official site.

I think it was just an announcement to the fans that he has a new band (3EG) and the tracks are a sample of what they've been working on... Which opens another door about paying for tracks that are clearly demos, but anyway... it was a mixed bag of new material.

Maybe his "no more albums" comment was indication that websites are the new albums? meh.

rdhull said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

That's why we don't need to rush him,

Well then throw up some older performance or song.

I agree,

I don't know how this site is being managed so

it's hard to say if Prince is rehearsing for a show ie Austin Texas and they are working on new songs

how much he's thinking about what to add or when to add to the site

..oooo Glamorous Life just came on the radio

OldFriends4Sale said:

rdhull said:

Well then throw up some older performance or song.

I agree,

I don't know how this site is being managed so

it's hard to say if Prince is rehearsing for a show ie Austin Texas and they are working on new songs

how much he's thinking about what to add or when to add to the site

..oooo Glamorous Life just came on the radio

he could just throw a live version of that he did last year up..or a Sheila live version..hell jeremy funkenstein got all those boots too...throw something up damn..we starvin'

I've got to imagine that getting a 22-piece band ready for a 160-minute show took up a LOT of time over the last 2 - 3 weeks.

RodeoSchro said:

I've got to imagine that getting a 22-piece band ready for a 160-minute show took up a LOT of time over the last 2 - 3 weeks.

It did and I was going to post a thread titlesd 'just think..right now prince and some musicians are working their asses off right now probably" during the week when there seemd to be a lull

however..he is not the dude at the computer twisting nobs..I hope someone else is doing these uploads and such

point being is it doesnt take 'strength' or time to upload something for kicks

we arent asking for him to come and play at my baht-mitzva in an hour..we are talking about tinkering with fingers at the computer..anyone on his team does/can do that

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