Identity said:

This is a full-page ad in the new issue of Billboard.

Ha...I see u have been checking out my Twitter images

No, I borrowed the image you posted on this thread, but I have the print edition of the new Billboard.

The ad is on page 37.

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FragileUndertow said:

jasontate said:

Thanks a heap for making it look like I posted that negative comment.

Not impressed

Take a look at your post.

my apologies, im sure most saw that it was Alexandernvrmind who made that comment

No worries. Thanks for the reply

Just don't want be tarred with that brush, when I'm super excited about current activities

MONTREUX...3 HOURS OF IT...COMING SOON!!

If I've learnt anything in my 26 years being a Prince fans it's this... This release won't happen ! :p

And if all of those empty boxes for extra videos get filled, I'll be surprised !!

joker said:

Looking good. Looking good.

But he needs to be VERY careful not to use the last of, for many of us, what remains of our goodwill.

I will NOT be joining a club. I would rather STEAL a copy of the Daily Fail than give them my hard-earned. If it's ANY sort of streaming BS I'm out.

Sorry to sound negative, I am very optimistic of what seems an interesting reinvention of style. Hopefully minus exessive Larry Graham and telling us how best to bother God.

But we live in a sort of musical utopia now, as I see it, that ironically he helped pave the way for and yet wants no part of. He needs to get OVER the non-existent format war that is in his head, and just get ON with delivering music the way most of us now choose to experience it. That is digitally via the internet.

Woah there! Before you go flaming me with the old "vinyl sounds better" and "I want a physical copy" arguments. Just think.

Apple (other digital content sources are available) are committed to improving the quality of there downloads in future. This is to be embraced. I really, really wish he was there with them, getting involved in the dialogue about how best to proceed because he more than anyone should be.

And THEN...we can get over ridiculous arguments of "format". Physical is dead people, really. Get over it. The future IS digital. Fact. And if you close your eyes and ears to the REALITY of this future then you will get left behind. And we don't want that. We want the funkiest right there, front and centre. Leading the charge instead of resisting it.

Remember it's about the MUSIC. And it is AMAZING that an artist (THE Artist?) can record, produce and distribute a song (or any content for that matter) direct to his (or her) fans almost INSTANTLY, and get paid for it. What a world.

Yes sound quality needs improving. Yes I want a "booklet" with lyrics and pictures I can enjoy in conjunction with the listening experience. Yes the price has to be right and the artist proceeds need to be fair. So get involved and get negotiating and make your demands loud and clear and get the fans onboard so we can shout with you to the corporation(s) that we demand better, faster, more.

Sorry to hijack the discussion, just don't want to have to dust off my gramophone to get involved.

Great track P, keep it coming.

All hail Chairman Joker he has spoken!

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purplethunder3121 said:

djThunderfunk said:

I didn't make the point that "Physical is dead". In fact, I made the point that some of us would rather pay double for physical than to pay for digital. A digital album is worth a couple bucks, tops. Physical copies are worth whatever the market will bear. For me, that'd be about $30 bucks max.

I would like a physical CD and I would be willing to pay $16.00 tops for a single album and $30.00 for a double--of Prince only. Downloads--I would pay a lot less for.

I'd value iTunes downloads at more than a couple of bucks per album. I'm buying more than just the album, I'm buying the capability of downloading it to my Mac, iPhone, iPad and Apple TV as many times as I want.

Sorry, I know I sound like an Apple salesman. I'm really not. I just love having a vast collection of great music on the cloud and therefore in my pocket at all times.

joker said:

purplethunder3121 said:

I would like a physical CD and I would be willing to pay $16.00 tops for a single album and $30.00 for a double--of Prince only. Downloads--I would pay a lot less for.

I'd value iTunes downloads at more than a couple of bucks per album. I'm buying more than just the album, I'm buying the capability of downloading it to my Mac, iPhone, iPad and Apple TV as many times as I want.

Sorry, I know I sound like an Apple salesman. I'm really not. I just love having a vast collection of great music on the cloud and therefore in my pocket at all times.

That's right, I don't understand why people think something has no value because you can't hold it. The music took the same amount of time to create whatever medium it's on. A download should cost less than a physical CD but not ridiculously so. I think $0.80 for a single track with a discount for downloading an entire album. Say $8 for a 12 track album instead of 12 * $0.80 for downloading individually seems about right.

To think of an album costing $2 is ridiculous.

TheEnglishGent said:

joker said:

I'd value iTunes downloads at more than a couple of bucks per album. I'm buying more than just the album, I'm buying the capability of downloading it to my Mac, iPhone, iPad and Apple TV as many times as I want.

Sorry, I know I sound like an Apple salesman. I'm really not. I just love having a vast collection of great music on the cloud and therefore in my pocket at all times.

[Edited 1/23/13 2:58am]

That's right, I don't understand why people think something has no value because you can't hold it. The music took the same amount of time to create whatever medium it's on. A download should cost less than a physical CD but not ridiculously so. I think $0.80 for a single track with a discount for downloading an entire album. Say $8 for a 12 track album instead of 12 * $0.80 for downloading individually seems about right.

To think of an album costing $2 is ridiculous.

Right on! I agree there, although I would prefer to buy the hard copy anyday given a choice.

In Australia I can't justify buying from itunes as an album costs almost the same as a CD here.

Hopefully Prince gets great worldwide distribution and can get the Montreux concerts out in full quality formats as well any new music coming our way in 2013.. \m/

VictoR3mix said:

It's great that Prince has a new website, but why does the URL have to be so obscure? I want this site to be promoted and to be successful. He should've just used a simple URL like: Prince, PrinceRogersNelson, NPGRecords or PaisleyPark. Something the general public can find. It's kind of a shame that apart from us fans no one else is ever going to know about this website because the URL is so arcane.

RosesRred said:

VictoR3mix said:

It's great that Prince has a new website, but why does the URL have to be so obscure? I want this site to be promoted and to be successful. He should've just used a simple URL like: Prince, PrinceRogersNelson, NPGRecords or PaisleyPark. Something the general public can find. It's kind of a shame that apart from us fans no one else is ever going to know about this website because the URL is so arcane.

Haha I would hope that the general public would be able to suss this website out or at least be able to copy it from the advertisement or any link.

But then again, the content from a lot of users on this topic tonight have got me questioning the state of humanity & the decline of civilization..

DFUNK said:

kbarso said:

If Prince got his name back in 2000, why is he still using the symbol on his new site?

I would have thought the answer to this question was pretty obvious to be honest. But for those who arent on the same page as the rest of us, I will explain.

The "LoveSymbol" whilst was the name he was releasing material under for a period of time between about 1993 through to 2000, is also a "brand" if you like which is synonomous with Prince.You could perhaps call it a company logo if you like. Its a symbol that people instantly recognize as being attached to Prince or a Prince project.

The majority of you would have seen on this "Welcome 2" shows, his stage was shaped in the same symbol. He regularly uses guitars with the same shape. This symbol regularly appears within the artwork gracing an album cover even though the album is released as a "Prince" album.

I hope this now settles this question, which really doesnt need to be asked repeatedly.

Exactly! It makes me wonder how long some been fans. Its been his promotional brand 4 decades...He is one of the only artist 2 b recognizable from a unique symbol.

Why Prince uses a symbol still?

Awesome.

Yes, new album, site, worldtour?

marcvitro said:

Yes, new album, site, worldtour?

Yes! A Tour!

Come to the
Detroit Area first Princey, we miss U.

TheEnglishGent said:

joker said:

I'd value iTunes downloads at more than a couple of bucks per album. I'm buying more than just the album, I'm buying the capability of downloading it to my Mac, iPhone, iPad and Apple TV as many times as I want.

Sorry, I know I sound like an Apple salesman. I'm really not. I just love having a vast collection of great music on the cloud and therefore in my pocket at all times.

That's right, I don't understand why people think something has no value because you can't hold it. The music took the same amount of time to create whatever medium it's on. A download should cost less than a physical CD but not ridiculously so. I think $0.80 for a single track with a discount for downloading an entire album. Say $8 for a 12 track album instead of 12 * $0.80 for downloading individually seems about right.

To think of an album costing $2 is ridiculous.

Back in the day, when vinyl & cassette were the most common ways of purchasing music, the average price for a new album was $8-$10. It was known in the industry that most of the cost went to pay for the medium: manufacturing the records or cassettes and duplicating the music to them. At the time, reports were that the actual music cost $1-$2 and the rest went to the medium.

When CDs came out, it was stated how much cheaper it was to manufacture CDs than LPs & cassettes. But, then people asked, why has the price jumped from the $10 range up to $15? The industry explained that although CDs were cheaper to manufacture, because they were a new technology, it would be a few years before this was realized. After all, new manufacturing plants had to be built to meet the demand of the new format and therefor consumers would not see a drop in price until things stabilized and the CD became the format of choice. The prices NEVER came down, until:

The industry claimed digital piracy was eating their profits for a good five years before the average price of new CDs came down to $10-$12 range. Now, as more people move to digital and fewer CDs are selling, it make sense that the price has to be maintained at that point to continue to be profitable.

Interestingly, the advent of purchasing digital music has stuck to that price point WITHOUT physical manufacturing costs. Therefore, I did not pull the $2 amount out of my ass. For an artist to sell digital music with NO manufacturing cost, NO record label collecting their cut, and NO distribution charges, $2 is fair.

And don't even get me started on "The Cloud". What if Prince pulls a George Lucas when remastering his albums and makes changes that you don't like. Which version of Erotic City would you want to hear, the original or the Special Edition New Remaster Version? Guess which version will be available to you in "The Cloud". Probably the new "approved" one. Good luck with your collection then.

All that said, I'll buy his music no matter how he sells it. But, I'll pay alot more for a physical copy that is on my shelf than for a digital copy that "disappears in a day", or whatever that lyric was from F.U.N.K.

Somethings wrong... I woke up today and there was an offcial Prince... website? With a music video, and a trailer for a dvd... and I accessed this all for... free? on the... internet? I might have died... if so, death is awesome!

djThunderfunk said:

And don't even get me started on "The Cloud". What if Prince pulls a George Lucas when remastering his albums and makes changes that you don't like. Which version of Erotic City would you want to hear, the original or the Special Edition New Remaster Version? Guess which version will be available to you in "The Cloud". Probably the new "approved" one. Good luck with your collection then.

I've don't see a problem with the cloud, save the old one and get the new one. Cloud is a convenience not something to be relied on.

DieLon said:

Somethings wrong... I woke up today and there was an offcial Prince... website? With a music video, and a trailer for a dvd... and I accessed this all for... free? on the... internet? I might have died... if so, death is awesome!

I'm pretty sure the Montreaux clip doesn't mention a DVD. If we get a Blu-Ray or DVD great, but I'm not expecting anything more than a download at the moment.

djThunderfunk said:

TheEnglishGent said:

That's right, I don't understand why people think something has no value because you can't hold it. The music took the same amount of time to create whatever medium it's on. A download should cost less than a physical CD but not ridiculously so. I think $0.80 for a single track with a discount for downloading an entire album. Say $8 for a 12 track album instead of 12 * $0.80 for downloading individually seems about right.

To think of an album costing $2 is ridiculous.

Back in the day, when vinyl & cassette were the most common ways of purchasing music, the average price for a new album was $8-$10. It was known in the industry that most of the cost went to pay for the medium: manufacturing the records or cassettes and duplicating the music to them. At the time, reports were that the actual music cost $1-$2 and the rest went to the medium.

When CDs came out, it was stated how much cheaper it was to manufacture CDs than LPs & cassettes. But, then people asked, why has the price jumped from the $10 range up to $15? The industry explained that although CDs were cheaper to manufacture, because they were a new technology, it would be a few years before this was realized. After all, new manufacturing plants had to be built to meet the demand of the new format and therefor consumers would not see a drop in price until things stabilized and the CD became the format of choice. The prices NEVER came down, until:

The industry claimed digital piracy was eating their profits for a good five years before the average price of new CDs came down to $10-$12 range. Now, as more people move to digital and fewer CDs are selling, it make sense that the price has to be maintained at that point to continue to be profitable.

Interestingly, the advent of purchasing digital music has stuck to that price point WITHOUT physical manufacturing costs. Therefore, I did not pull the $2 amount out of my ass. For an artist to sell digital music with NO manufacturing cost, NO record label collecting their cut, and NO distribution charges, $2 is fair.

And don't even get me started on "The Cloud". What if Prince pulls a George Lucas when remastering his albums and makes changes that you don't like. Which version of Erotic City would you want to hear, the original or the Special Edition New Remaster Version? Guess which version will be available to you in "The Cloud". Probably the new "approved" one. Good luck with your collection then.

All that said, I'll buy his music no matter how he sells it. But, I'll pay alot more for a physical copy that is on my shelf than for a digital copy that "disappears in a day", or whatever that lyric was from F.U.N.K.

This is truly one of the best posts I've seen here in a long while. This is spot on in every way... and you even bash "the cloud" a bit, which I'm all for. Although I've spent most of my life in pro audio and music industry, I'm now in the IT world, and the public cloud is something I advise against on a regular basis. There is no guarantee of security, and the data is spread all over the globe, so to speak.

Now back to physical media... The industry lied to the mainstream in two significant ways, with regard to CDs. They claimed that CDs were better quality than vinyl, and also that they would "last forever". We know that vinyl is far superior sound quality and we also know that CDs certainly don't last forever.

Your observations on cost/sell price/margin are very accurate.

Now I will restate what I've said in other recent posts... I will only listen to mp3s for reference purposes only... for other artists music, that would be to check something out to determine if I want to buy it.

Prince may be the only artist presently that I would buy any (and every) album he releases without hearing anything ahead. I've always liked all musical sides of Prince. I enjoy the punkish style of "Screwdriver" as much as like the album 'N.E.W.S.'

~G

Giovanni777 said:

This is truly one of the best posts I've seen here in a long while. This is spot on in every way... and you even bash "the cloud" a bit, which I'm all for. Although I've spent most of my life in pro audio and music industry, I'm now in the IT world, and the public cloud is something I advise against on a regular basis. There is no guarantee of security, and the data is spread all over the globe, so to speak.

Now back to physical media... The industry lied to the mainstream in two significant ways, with regard to CDs. They claimed that CDs were better quality than vinyl, and also that they would "last forever". We know that vinyl is far superior sound quality and we also know that they certainly don't last forever.

Your observations on cost/sell price/margin are very accurate.

~G

Thank you, G.

Giovanni777 said:

djThunderfunk said:

Back in the day, when vinyl & cassette were the most common ways of purchasing music, the average price for a new album was $8-$10. It was known in the industry that most of the cost went to pay for the medium: manufacturing the records or cassettes and duplicating the music to them. At the time, reports were that the actual music cost $1-$2 and the rest went to the medium.

When CDs came out, it was stated how much cheaper it was to manufacture CDs than LPs & cassettes. But, then people asked, why has the price jumped from the $10 range up to $15? The industry explained that although CDs were cheaper to manufacture, because they were a new technology, it would be a few years before this was realized. After all, new manufacturing plants had to be built to meet the demand of the new format and therefor consumers would not see a drop in price until things stabilized and the CD became the format of choice. The prices NEVER came down, until:

The industry claimed digital piracy was eating their profits for a good five years before the average price of new CDs came down to $10-$12 range. Now, as more people move to digital and fewer CDs are selling, it make sense that the price has to be maintained at that point to continue to be profitable.

Interestingly, the advent of purchasing digital music has stuck to that price point WITHOUT physical manufacturing costs. Therefore, I did not pull the $2 amount out of my ass. For an artist to sell digital music with NO manufacturing cost, NO record label collecting their cut, and NO distribution charges, $2 is fair.

And don't even get me started on "The Cloud". What if Prince pulls a George Lucas when remastering his albums and makes changes that you don't like. Which version of Erotic City would you want to hear, the original or the Special Edition New Remaster Version? Guess which version will be available to you in "The Cloud". Probably the new "approved" one. Good luck with your collection then.

All that said, I'll buy his music no matter how he sells it. But, I'll pay alot more for a physical copy that is on my shelf than for a digital copy that "disappears in a day", or whatever that lyric was from F.U.N.K.

This is truly one of the best posts I've seen here in a long while. This is spot on in every way... and you even bash "the cloud" a bit, which I'm all for. Although I've spent most of my life in pro audio and music industry, I'm now in the IT world, and the public cloud is something I advise against on a regular basis. There is no guarantee of security, and the data is spread all over the globe, so to speak.

Now back to physical media... The industry lied to the mainstream in two significant ways, with regard to CDs. They claimed that CDs were better quality than vinyl, and also that they would "last forever". We know that vinyl is far superior sound quality and we also know that they certainly don't last forever.

Your observations on cost/sell price/margin are very accurate.

Now I will restate what I've said in other recent posts... I will only listen to mp3s for reference purposes only... for other artists music, that would be to check something out to determine if I want to buy it.

Prince may be the only artist presently that I would buy any (and every) album he releases without hearing anything ahead. I've always liked all musical sides of Prince. I enjoy the punkish style of "Screwdriver" as much as like the album 'N.E.W.S.'

~G

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[Edited 1/23/13 9:48am]

Yep.

DFUNK said:

ludwig said:

The Montreux concerts are available in PERFECT quality for a while now, and you don't have to pay a penny for it.

But if prince releases things like that officially, hopefully DRM-free, unedited and in HD then it's a good thing, and 'm willing to pay for it.

They have been, you are correct. But I have a personal no piracy policy which I adhere to, so I have thus far refused to buy it.

If Prince releases an official version, I will pay for it.

As I said before, you don't have to buy the bootleg. It's available FOR FREE on the internet as a download. It would be against the rules of prince.org to tell you WHERE, but it's out there for months like a lot of other very good bootlegs. The times are over where you have to pay for these goodies.

That said, I want to make clear that I always buy every single official prince release at least once. Most of the time I'll buy more than one copy. So if prince wants my money, he should release more new stuff and his vault-treasures.

Okay. Good. glad to see Prince is back in his shoes. Screw driver is pretty cool.

Graycap23 said:

Giovanni777 said:

This is truly one of the best posts I've seen here in a long while. This is spot on in every way... and you even bash "the cloud" a bit, which I'm all for. Although I've spent most of my life in pro audio and music industry, I'm now in the IT world, and the public cloud is something I advise against on a regular basis. There is no guarantee of security, and the data is spread all over the globe, so to speak.

Now back to physical media... The industry lied to the mainstream in two significant ways, with regard to CDs. They claimed that CDs were better quality than vinyl, and also that they would "last forever". We know that vinyl is far superior sound quality and we also know that they certainly don't last forever.

Your observations on cost/sell price/margin are very accurate.

Now I will restate what I've said in other recent posts... I will only listen to mp3s for reference purposes only... for other artists music, that would be to check something out to determine if I want to buy it.

Prince may be the only artist presently that I would buy any (and every) album he releases without hearing anything ahead. I've always liked all musical sides of Prince. I enjoy the punkish style of "Screwdriver" as much as like the album 'N.E.W.S.'

~G

Yep.

Dead On It.

The Montreux teaser is interesting...

Surely, he must know that this footage is out there already - Is he 'testing' us, to see if we're willing to buy something that some of us have already gotten hold of illegally?

I know I would.

I may be saying what's already been said but I ♥ Screwdriver. I don't know why people are complaining/upset about the site URL... I was able to memorize it as soon as I saw it but hey, maybe that's just me. Either way, this is my first time posting on here and I'm pretty excited to be apart of a community that enjoys Prince, for the most part anyway

PurpleMyL0ve21 said:

I may be saying what's already been said but I ♥ Screwdriver. I don't know why people are complaining/upset about the site URL... I was able to memorize it as soon as I saw it but hey, maybe that's just me. Either way, this is my first time posting on here and I'm pretty excited to be apart of a community that enjoys Prince, for the most part anyway

Welcome! try not to let the jaded long timers like me get to you

NDRU said:

PurpleMyL0ve21 said:

I may be saying what's already been said but I ♥ Screwdriver. I don't know why people are complaining/upset about the site URL... I was able to memorize it as soon as I saw it but hey, maybe that's just me. Either way, this is my first time posting on here and I'm pretty excited to be apart of a community that enjoys Prince, for the most part anyway

Welcome! try not to let the jaded long timers like me get to you

Haha, thanks I'll definitely try.

ottoegil said:

The Montreux teaser is interesting...

Surely, he must know that this footage is out there already - Is he 'testing' us, to see if we're willing to buy something that some of us have already gotten hold of illegally?

I know I would.

That's a good one. It's actually one of the few Prince performances I saw at a big screen in a rented cinema. It held up big time and was really fun to watch.

I would buy this in a heartbeat when it is released (preferably uncut and unchanged).