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Thread started 02/15/03 8:52pm

thedoorkeeper

Why there is no NPGMC 2003

Theory:
It started with the complaints to the BBB.
Tired & frustrated by stonewalling from the NPGMC some NPGMC members took their complaints to the BBB. The BBB contacted the NPGMC who responded by releasing numerous downloads at the end of NPGMC Year 2 hoping to squash all complaints & satisfy all the parties. The people who contacted the BBB & the rest of the NPGMC members were happy - there would have been no downloads if they hadn't acted. Everyone should be happy.
So where is NPGMC Year 3?
Perhaps Prince and/or the management people for the NPGMC weren't too happy. The members want to dictate what is released? Have we gotten rid of WB only to have the NPGMC members take their place? Who's in charge here? Maybe its time to kill this little experiment before it blows up completely. Which won't be too hard because Prince has lost interest in the club.
And then the NPGMC withers & dies.
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Reply #1 posted 02/15/03 8:58pm

squirrelgrease

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The NPGMC was an Xperiment. It didn't work well. Let it go...
If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot.
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Reply #2 posted 02/15/03 10:18pm

Tom

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thedoorkeeper said:

Theory:
It started with the complaints to the BBB.
Tired & frustrated by stonewalling from the NPGMC some NPGMC members took their complaints to the BBB. The BBB contacted the NPGMC who responded by releasing numerous downloads at the end of NPGMC Year 2 hoping to squash all complaints & satisfy all the parties. The people who contacted the BBB & the rest of the NPGMC members were happy - there would have been no downloads if they hadn't acted. Everyone should be happy.
So where is NPGMC Year 3?
Perhaps Prince and/or the management people for the NPGMC weren't too happy. The members want to dictate what is released? Have we gotten rid of WB only to have the NPGMC members take their place? Who's in charge here? Maybe its time to kill this little experiment before it blows up completely. Which won't be too hard because Prince has lost interest in the club.
And then the NPGMC withers & dies.


He could just as easily post a new CD at npg retail in a couple months, or sell rehersal or celebration passes through npg retail as well. The whole premise of "the club" was just to collect everyone's money up front.

I don't see why some people are so eager to join 2003. Even if the club did reopen it would likely be months before any new music arrives anyhow. Save your money till its actually released. If its not your cup of tea when it comes out, you wont have already paid for it in advance with no refund.
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Reply #3 posted 02/15/03 11:55pm

Sdldawn

thedoorkeeper said:



He could just as easily post a new CD at npg retail in a couple months, or sell rehersal or celebration passes through npg retail as well. The whole premise of "the club" was just to collect everyone's money up front.

I don't see why some people are so eager to join 2003. Even if the club did reopen it would likely be months before any new music arrives anyhow. Save your money till its actually released. If its not your cup of tea when it comes out, you wont have already paid for it in advance with no refund.


Thats a good idea, in fact, thats what should be done instead of a false promise by npgmc.
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Reply #4 posted 02/16/03 12:46am

BlurredEye

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IMO if the club is to go ahead for year 3 then it should be at a nominal cost($10?) and then you could pay for whatever you want to download or purchase exclusivly. This way a gig for each tour could be made available for download and you would only pay for the ones you want...cos I shure as hell wouldn't want a D & P or Act II gig!

Also if other outakes/vault material were made available you could pay per song. This facility would also be even better if there was say a 30 seconds to a minute preview at low quality available.

Now, here's hoping!
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Reply #5 posted 02/16/03 3:29am

thedoorkeeper

squirrelgrease said:

The NPGMC was an Xperiment. It didn't work well. Let it go...


Right! Forget the club. Except for The Celebration. Thats a good idea.
More work should be done to take advantage of The Celebration. This is a tool he should be using to promote himself instead of it being a private party for fans. Think more Sundance and less Woodstock.
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Reply #6 posted 02/16/03 8:56am

GoldAllThatGli
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Yes, right ! We are still fans, we will always be fans.

So let us enjoy his music. We all know he won't stop giving music tu his fans so let us be patient.

Best wishes from France,

Bertrand
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Reply #7 posted 02/16/03 2:27pm

CalhounSq

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HELL NO!! I want the club! I want the perks & the good seats & the soundchecks & the aftershows & the music, MUSIC, MUSIC!!! I want it all!! :X
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #8 posted 02/16/03 6:27pm

candlelight

Tom said:

thedoorkeeper said:

Theory:
It started with the complaints to the BBB.
Tired & frustrated by stonewalling from the NPGMC some NPGMC members took their complaints to the BBB. The BBB contacted the NPGMC who responded by releasing numerous downloads at the end of NPGMC Year 2 hoping to squash all complaints & satisfy all the parties. The people who contacted the BBB & the rest of the NPGMC members were happy - there would have been no downloads if they hadn't acted. Everyone should be happy.
So where is NPGMC Year 3?
Perhaps Prince and/or the management people for the NPGMC weren't too happy. The members want to dictate what is released? Have we gotten rid of WB only to have the NPGMC members take their place? Who's in charge here? Maybe its time to kill this little experiment before it blows up completely. Which won't be too hard because Prince has lost interest in the club.
And then the NPGMC withers & dies.

He could just as easily post a new CD at npg retail in a couple months, or sell rehersal or celebration passes through npg retail as well. The whole premise of "the club" was just to collect everyone's money up front.

I don't see why some people are so eager to join 2003. Even if the club did reopen it would likely be months before any new music arrives anyhow. Save your money till its actually released. If its not your cup of tea when it comes out, you wont have already paid for it in advance with no refund.

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Reply #9 posted 02/16/03 7:41pm

nunatak

CalhounSq said:

HELL NO!! I want the club! I want the perks & the good seats & the soundchecks & the aftershows & the music, MUSIC, MUSIC!!! I want it all!! :X


YUP!!! nod
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Reply #10 posted 02/16/03 8:25pm

herb4

CalhounSq said:

HELL NO!! I want the club! I want the perks & the good seats & the soundchecks & the aftershows & the music, MUSIC, MUSIC!!! I want it all!! :X


What (new) music?
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Reply #11 posted 02/16/03 8:27pm

klaatu

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Sdldawn said:

thedoorkeeper said:



He could just as easily post a new CD at npg retail in a couple months, or sell rehersal or celebration passes through npg retail as well. The whole premise of "the club" was just to collect everyone's money up front.

I don't see why some people are so eager to join 2003. Even if the club did reopen it would likely be months before any new music arrives anyhow. Save your money till its actually released. If its not your cup of tea when it comes out, you wont have already paid for it in advance with no refund.


Thats a good idea, in fact, thats what should be done instead of a false promise by npgmc.



THERE WAS NO FALSE PROMISES BY NPGMC!! PERIOD!!
"Goodness will guide us when love is inside of us... The Force will be with you, always"
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Reply #12 posted 02/16/03 10:30pm

lovebird

I think what Prince offered the fans in 2002 was more than we should have asked for. Anyone that didnot get their money's worth maybe that was their fault.

Maybe Prince is just taking some time off and didn't feel like there was going to be enought material for this year to make a club.or maybe not.

Maybe the JWs told him to stop it, who knows? Just enjoy the music and wait and see.
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Reply #13 posted 02/17/03 4:04am

Sdldawn

klaatu said:

Sdldawn said:

thedoorkeeper said:



He could just as easily post a new CD at npg retail in a couple months, or sell rehersal or celebration passes through npg retail as well. The whole premise of "the club" was just to collect everyone's money up front.

I don't see why some people are so eager to join 2003. Even if the club did reopen it would likely be months before any new music arrives anyhow. Save your money till its actually released. If its not your cup of tea when it comes out, you wont have already paid for it in advance with no refund.


Thats a good idea, in fact, thats what should be done instead of a false promise by npgmc.



THERE WAS NO FALSE PROMISES BY NPGMC!! PERIOD!!


hahaha righhht...
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Reply #14 posted 02/17/03 8:20am

funkyfish

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Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda...It's too late to say what IF ? My sources say, PRINCE saw that SOME people were not happy..

So now WE (happy people) have to go without this year.

THANK YOU NAYSAYERS flipped off


FISH
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Reply #15 posted 02/17/03 9:52am

klaatu

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funkyfish said:

Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda...It's too late to say what IF ? My sources say, PRINCE saw that SOME people were not happy..

So now WE (happy people) have to go without this year.

THANK YOU NAYSAYERS flipped off


FISH



I feel you on this. A big ironic thanks to all those who complain thinking they were smarter than the rest and felt they were due something from Princes's camp. We were offered a perspective and if the club is no more the same peeps will complain even more (no good seats etc...).

Shame on you, you should have joined the WB club instead...
flipped off
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Reply #16 posted 02/17/03 3:45pm

herb4

I love this mentality. It's the people who spoke up that ruined your precious club. Give me a fucking break, If that's indeed all it took, then they shouldn't be in business anyhow as far as I'm concerned.

Prince does what Prince wants. That's all.
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Reply #17 posted 02/17/03 4:46pm

Marrk

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the club doesn't work in alot of respects.Every download is available for free on P2P sites anyway.

It's not like he's going on a World tour either this year, so the soundchecks and preffered seating aren't going to be an option to use as a selling point either.

Prince should either let the club die or at least give it a complete overhaul with more options and choice for members.(hopefully this is in the works)

Downloads and albums of your choosing would go along way to pleasing members and people thinking of joining.
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Reply #18 posted 02/17/03 10:18pm

klaatu

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herb4 said:

I love this mentality. It's the people who spoke up that ruined your precious club. Give me a fucking break, If that's indeed all it took, then they shouldn't be in business anyhow as far as I'm concerned.

Prince does what Prince wants. That's all.



Not the people who spoke up but the ones who talked shit... C that's the problem you thought you were the voice of the righteous...
"Goodness will guide us when love is inside of us... The Force will be with you, always"
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Reply #19 posted 02/18/03 12:43am

herb4

klaatu said:

herb4 said:

I love this mentality. It's the people who spoke up that ruined your precious club. Give me a fucking break, If that's indeed all it took, then they shouldn't be in business anyhow as far as I'm concerned.

Prince does what Prince wants. That's all.



Not the people who spoke up but the ones who talked shit... C that's the problem you thought you were the voice of the righteous...


I spoke up, but ALWAYS refrained from "talking shit" or being rude, especailly in my (largely ignored) correspondence with the club. My voice spoke only for myself, and I KNOW that I did not convince Prince to discontinue his club. If I have that much power, let me know and I'll get on him to release some cool stuf!

smile
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Reply #20 posted 02/18/03 7:44am

origmnd

Either Prince is letting us sweat it out for the 2003, making us see what we HAD,
or jackin' up the price...
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Reply #21 posted 02/18/03 12:34pm

CalhounSq

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herb4 said:

CalhounSq said:

HELL NO!! I want the club! I want the perks & the good seats & the soundchecks & the aftershows & the music, MUSIC, MUSIC!!! I want it all!! :X


What (new) music?


Well...

Supercute
WILMHOY
High
When Will We Be Paid
TRC (album)
My Medallion
Gamillah
Northside
Daisy Chain
Golden Parachute
HypnoParadise
Madrid 2 Chicago
ONA (piano album)
Breathe
Silicon
Sex Me,Sex Me Not
VanGough
Habibi
Judas Kiss
Underneath the Cream
Vavoom
ONA - Live!
Xpectation (album)

... were all NEW to me, care to count 'em up?? rolleyes

How about you hang on to your $100 & spin NPS, 'kay?? neutral



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[This message was edited Tue Feb 18 4:38:17 PST 2003 by CalhounSq]
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Reply #22 posted 02/18/03 6:05pm

klaatu

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herb4 said:

klaatu said:

herb4 said:

I love this mentality. It's the people who spoke up that ruined your precious club. Give me a fucking break, If that's indeed all it took, then they shouldn't be in business anyhow as far as I'm concerned.

Prince does what Prince wants. That's all.



Not the people who spoke up but the ones who talked shit... C that's the problem you thought you were the voice of the righteous...


I spoke up, but ALWAYS refrained from "talking shit" or being rude, especailly in my (largely ignored) correspondence with the club. My voice spoke only for myself, and I KNOW that I did not convince Prince to discontinue his club. If I have that much power, let me know and I'll get on him to release some cool stuf!

smile


I'm not only talking about you but thosewho complain and went to BBB also...
Peace.
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Reply #23 posted 02/18/03 6:08pm

herb4

CalhounSq said:

herb4 said:

CalhounSq said:

HELL NO!! I want the club! I want the perks & the good seats & the soundchecks & the aftershows & the music, MUSIC, MUSIC!!! I want it all!! :X


What (new) music?


Well...

Supercute bought it at a show
WILMHOY 2002; last year
High last year
When Will We Be Paid had it
TRC (album) shitty quality download. Bought it anyhow
My Medallion 2002 (?)
Gamillah
Northside don't know this one
Daisy Chain bought it at a concert
Golden Parachute don't know this one
HypnoParadise don't know this one
Madrid 2 Chicago 2002
ONA (piano album) 1/2 of it from 2002
Breathe
Silicon NPGMC theme song. Been there FROEVER
Sex Me,Sex Me Not don't know this one
VanGough
Habibi
Judas Kiss
Underneath the Cream b side to a cd single I bought
Vavoom 2002
ONA - Live! awesome
Xpectation (album) added a last minute make good to appease the "bitch ass complainers"

... were all NEW to me, care to count 'em up?? rolleyes

How about you hang on to your $100 & spin NPS, 'kay?? neutral


[This message was edited Tue Feb 18 4:38:17 PST 2003 by CalhounSq]


Hey, be nice to me. I'm on YOUR side. I'm on record. I GOT my money's worth. Some didn't.

Still, hardly the "free the music" explosion I thought Prince was angling towards.

I did NOT shut down the club.
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Reply #24 posted 02/19/03 3:05am

ZAZA2

funkyfish said:

Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda...It's too late to say what IF ? My sources say, PRINCE saw that SOME people were not happy..

So now WE (happy people) have to go without this year.

THANK YOU NAYSAYERS flipped off


FISH


So to be a NPGMC member means giving up the right to complain? I don't think so.
Prince & Co. started a business & with any business there are going to be complaints.
He couldn't stand the heat so he split the kitchen.
Hopefully he will have learned a few lessons & will regroup.
After all he is a reasonable guy - right?
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Reply #25 posted 02/19/03 6:46am

SensualMelody

So where is the official announcement?
I see NPGCMusic Club 2003 at the bottom of the web page site...maybe they are working out the details...or maybe it will be like other music clubs...just the name of the business.
Who knows?
So...how's everybody doing? smile
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Reply #26 posted 02/19/03 2:38pm

CalhounSq

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herb4 said:

CalhounSq said:

herb4 said:

CalhounSq said:

HELL NO!! I want the club! I want the perks & the good seats & the soundchecks & the aftershows & the music, MUSIC, MUSIC!!! I want it all!! :X


What (new) music?


Well...

Supercute bought it at a show
WILMHOY 2002; last year
High last year
When Will We Be Paid had it
TRC (album) shitty quality download. Bought it anyhow
My Medallion 2002 (?)
Gamillah
Northside don't know this one
Daisy Chain bought it at a concert
Golden Parachute don't know this one
HypnoParadise don't know this one
Madrid 2 Chicago 2002
ONA (piano album) 1/2 of it from 2002
Breathe
Silicon NPGMC theme song. Been there FROEVER
Sex Me,Sex Me Not don't know this one
VanGough
Habibi
Judas Kiss
Underneath the Cream b side to a cd single I bought
Vavoom 2002
ONA - Live! awesome
Xpectation (album) added a last minute make good to appease the "bitch ass complainers"

... were all NEW to me, care to count 'em up?? rolleyes

How about you hang on to your $100 & spin NPS, 'kay?? neutral


Hey, be nice to me. I'm on YOUR side. I'm on record. I GOT my money's worth. Some didn't.

Still, hardly the "free the music" explosion I thought Prince was angling towards.

I did NOT shut down the club.


I never said you shut down the club, Herb neutral But your comment makes it seem like we got no new music from the club. My point is that being a member both years, I got a ton of new music. You bought Supercute at a concert - I didn't get to buy the singles @ the show so I value the download. You say only half the ONA piano album was new - WTF? The half you heard from the year before was new to your ears @ the time, the other half was new to you when you got the cd in the mail as part of your membership so what's the problem? Looks like the only thing that made you happy this year was ONA-L!, and that's your right. This is pointless so I don't know why I'm participating, I'm certainly not gonna pick the shit apart w/ you. I got NEW music & I'm satisfied. You, on the other hand, sound like you've got some guilt to deal w/...

goes to read your "Apology" thread... rolleyes
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Reply #27 posted 02/19/03 3:07pm

thedoorkeeper

SensualMelody said:

So where is the official announcement?
I see NPGCMusic Club 2003 at the bottom of the web page site...maybe they are working out the details...or maybe it will be like other music clubs...just the name of the business.
Who knows?


Nothing official - this was just a theory I had. I find Prince fans do that a lot due to the lack of info we get.
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