So...that's where we stand after 6 months of trying, we simply just didn't get anywhere. The last course of action as recommended to me by the Better Business Bureau is to start filing claims with both the Minnesota and California Better Business Bureaus and the Attorney General's offices for both states. We now know due to other court filings and terms on the site that the business address for lotusflow3r is located in the LA area and doing business as "lotusflow3r", but we haven't found more than that yet.

what are you saying? That Prince's love interests are/have been running the office?

are you serious? please tell me your joking.

what the hell would either one them know about management?

office management or any other kind for that matter?

mani was mean. mean spirited. imo. not someone that should ever be handling anything to do with fans or customer service. and she see's this and don't like it. dont give a damn.

I don't like being mistreated... esp. by someone else falsely stating their Prince himself and doing it on His name. Not their own. too much weirdness ... just like that... has been going on.

And for the record, there's a world of difference between tough and mean.
mean people are just greedy. it's just an aspect of a covetess heart. Tough as in a tough boss... means I'd jump their case if they didn't do their job. I didn't beat around the bush or mince words or leave them in confusion...but I'd cared about all my crew and looked after them before I looked after myself.
And if they didn't do their job right ... I'd give my own time ...on my time off to train them further so they could succeed in their job and do it well.

For the good of the crew and the good of the company. World of difference between tough and just plain mean. Also, I never hid behind somoene else's name to talk smack at anybody. If I had a problem ... I told them myself straight up. And I didn't go about slandering a person behind the scene's to
get other people to jump onto that person i thought I had a problem with. Taht's just plain gutless and pathetic and I have no respect for it.
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stuff ran all right with Mani in charge. Seriously.

Filing complaints with the Better Business Bureau about Prince or whatever name the website was created under isn't really going to change anything. Everyone knows Prince is a crap businessman. What needs to happen is a class-action lawsuit; but that would require everyone who wants to participate to actually pay for an attorney; and there's no guarentee of a payout.

For those who continue to be disappointed and get turned off more and more...move on. Too much time dwelling on negativity is not good. Find your happiness somewhere else. Prince is doing just fine and will continue to do just fine after all he is the talented one.

Remember that thread we started back in October about trying to help those abandoned by lotusflow3r support? Well, I want you to know we tried and we tried a lot of people.

I apologize for not getting this up before now, with the 1 year mark only hours away. I hope some people might see this and still have time to change their credit card info if they so desire.

We started out with lotusflow3r support. We quickly found out that their phone was disconnected and e-mails to sales and support were going unread and of course, unanswered. This was 6 months into the 1 year subscription. We tried for a response for about 4 weeks at least twice a week.

It was decided then that sometimes the only thing that gets attention was a good old public shaming, we did not want to do this on the org yet, but we did reach out to several media outlets. Some were too big to care, others were getting scraps from Prince and did not want to jeopardize that. Some were CJ and she didn't even respond. The original Billy Jack Bitch wouldn't even go after Prince's poor business practices.

Then we turned to the developers personally. Scott Addison Clay never returned the message, but Anthony Malzone did send a few responses. To date he has been unable to provide any information that would prove helpful.

So...that's where we stand after 6 months of trying, we simply just didn't get anywhere. The last course of action as recommended to me by the Better Business Bureau is to start filing claims with both the Minnesota and California Better Business Bureaus and the Attorney General's offices for both states. We now know due to other court filings and terms on the site that the business address for lotusflow3r is located in the LA area and doing business as "lotusflow3r", but we haven't found more than that yet.

I wish I had more to report. At least current events have shown that Prince is not invincible and the courts are making him pay for the poor business practices he has employed as of late. At the minimum, a good number of people did not receive the minimum promised material from the site. At the worst, Prince and lotusflow3r employed false advertising to entice people to join the site.

That's where we are and it is sad. It seems so petty that a t-shirt would be a cause for something like this, but the heart of the matter is larger than that. It is about how an artist chooses to relate to fans, how that has changed, and taking responsibility for how a business is run. Feel free to go to town on us, tell us how YOU were satisfied and no-one understands Prince like you do, but that is an opinion, just as the feeling of being ripped off is an opinion. Fortunately for the fans and perhaps unfortunately for Prince the feeling ripped off opinion is one with evidence to back it up.

Remember, the site terms state you must send an e-mail to sales@lotusflow3r.com to cancel your membership. A futile gesture, but if they do try and charge you, you'll have that to dispute the charge.

Good luck to anyone still trying, let us know how it goes and of course we'll report any news that comes our way.

from the terms & condition from lotusflow3r

"Lotusflow3r memberships are valid for one calendar year from date of purchase, and are non-refundable. Membership includes access to restricted areas of Lotusflow3r, access to pre-sale concert tickets, and the ability to download music and videos from Lotusflow3r"

I agree...no money wasted...money well spent...

I feel for all of those who didn't get what they wanted out of the website - I got what I wanted...yeah the shows in LA weren't his best but they were worth attending...I ordered the T-shirt size I wanted and got it so I can't say anything negative.

For those who continue to be disappointed and get turned off more and more...move on. Too much time dwelling on negativity is not good. Find your happiness somewhere else. Prince is doing just fine and will continue to do just fine after all he is the talented one.

Peace

Not true at all. There is no out of pocket up front costs for anyone. All it takes is a single member to hire the right money hungry lawyer (Gloria Alred??). A motion would be made to the judge to turn the lawsuit into a class action (to include the other members) and Prince would spend 7 years fighting it, but ultimately pay the lawyers and give the members their damn t-shirts and other junk he advertised. There is no financial risk for anyone other than Prince.