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Printablesabaisabai said: It was not a foolish wish to receive 4 exclusive CDs. Look at year one: probably about 4 CDs worth of exclusive music (filesharing was not Prince's fault). Towards the end of the year NPGMC asked as whether we would prefer such songs on regular CDs. The implication was that we would get the same deal but on CDs rather than as downloads. Year One's membership was about music, and it delivered in downloads. It set a precedent for year Two, which Prince has sadly failed to meet. Just to clarify my position on the club: I for one don't want it shut down. I would rather they picked up their act. I also will not be filing a complaint, unless my shipment never comes and NPGMC won't rectify it. I also plan to join next year, for the purpose of going to the Celebration. I've read enough glowing reports of his tour this year, and it's been ten years since I've seen him play, so I'm going to do something about it. I agree with your comparison of year 1 and 2... I miss a lot of what year 1 had to offer. I loved the NPG Ahdio Shows, and many of the individual songs were great! Having something to look forward to every month was fantastic. And we got Rave In2 in the mail too, which was a nice little bonus. I didn't really expect all the CD's for 2002 to be exclusive, and I didn't want that either... I guess I'm in a very small minority of Prince fans. I don't want him all to myself, I want him to release his good stuff to wrecka stows so that my casual Prince fans can buy the CD's they like without having to pay to be in the NPGMC. I don't fully understand why other ORGers want his music all to themselves. C'est la vie. If Xenophobia is good, I'd like to see that in wrecka stows too. | |
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Holy testicles...I coulda written a better response to the BBB half drunk...
The only part of their response I really paid attention to was their explaination of saying the 4 separately titled CDs you'd have "access to" if you joined were only "suggestions" or "ideas", and not anything that should hold any legal merit since it didn't also appear on the official npgmc site...that type of thinking will cost you lotsa $$$ in court...Prince's lawyers shudda known this beforehand. | |
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Thanks for the thoughtful post. Here's my opinions to the contrary:
1) 3 new CDs. The ONA only had 2 tracks of music tha were not already PAID for in the PREVIOUS YEAR. Not really exclusive, not really new. 2) The concert I went to, there were people scalping tix outside for the first 10 rows for similar prices. Also, at Detroit, there were quite a number of front rows that had non-members in them. In the end, this is the only thing where I think that the Club kicked some ass on after discovering what the problems were. I made the suggestion that they should be selling the tix from thier site, and everybody here told me I was retarded. Now they sell the tix from thier site. Go figure. They also, for the most part, fixed the problem with the afterparty/show venue charging members for entry. 3) The Celebration. Well, I can say that not everybody who wanted to go to the Celebration was able to go to the celebration. Many people had to work thier connections with other members to get to go. There were a limited number of tickets available, even to members. Why do people forget about that? I don't expect Prince to provide something like this for the entire fanbase; with that in mind, something like the Celebration is NOT something to add to the laurels as far as the club is concerned. 4) You hit it on the head with that one. This "exclusive" merchandise was frequently available at the concert venue. Even the exclusive cloud guitars were there. In the end, you make a great case of "personal value" over "money value." It's awsome that you see that there are others who did not have a great time this year. While I feel that there are more sastisfied customers than unsatisfied, I feel that the ratio is still pertty even. With this in mind, you would think that the majority of members who are fulfilled with the membership would recognize the shortfallings of the club on the other members. You would think that they would want to make sure that thier fellow members had just as much as they did. You would think that forums such as this would be a great place for brainstorming on how to make sure everybody gets a fair share out of the club. Instead we get people complaining and other people putting down the complainers because they "fear the retribution of thier Lord Prince." Granted, this isn't directed at you, as your posts have historicly been fair and you post to the contarty at the end of your post. What this year did to me: it made me not want to give Prince my money in advance in good faith. Coming from me, that says alot, as I have always been willing to give my money to Prince. The chance to invest in future products was very exciting, but now I will only invest in products that can be had "in hand." That is, like you mention, unless the direction of the club changes next year. I guess the fact that I'm willing to offer that small chance still says a lot too. 
codshort said: ***4 "new" cd's---the box set and ONA "demo" (actually 5 cd's if you count the duplicate). The value for these CD's are approximately $50, since the same 4 CD's will be in stores in less than 2 weeks. ***rights to buy members only tix for $125, with potential possibilty for soundcheck and afterparty access (not all were free for members, and non-members were also told of the aftershow). Non-members could get similar tix (the row behind members) for $85 (concert) and $25 (afterparty), but with no access to soundcheck. ***rights to purchase a limited number of $250 Celebration passes for what everyone hailed as an incredible week of music. Non-members could only attend if on a ticket purchased by a member. ***rights to purchase merchandise that non members can only obtain at the concerts. In total, I paid $235 for: 4 CD's, a concert and afterparty ticket (soundcheck was cut very short by tornado in area), and 2 copies of the "days of wild" single. For $160, a non-member could have had the 4CD's, concert ticket (one row behind me) and afterparty ticket. Is this value for my $100??? For some, it may well be more than worth their money. For me, I'm somewhat torn on this. On one hand, I can't complain that NPGMC really defrauded me, as I had access to the things it promised. On the other hand, I'm disappointed with the ambiguous nature NPGMC has taken, and "pay for the rights to pay more" aspect of the club. Being a member shouldn't mean being price gouged and subject to "Prince/legal double-speak" on the benefits of membership, since WE are the ones who have been loyal for 20 plus years. That being said...I'm so torn on this, that IF there is a club for 2003, I will have to see clear benefits to being a member, before I even consider joining again. As it stands now, if 2003 is a repeat of 2002..all things being equal, I would not rejoin and enjoy similar benefits as many members, but for approximately $75 cheaper. If the club makes it benefits THE MUSIC, as most members were expecting, then I'm game, as the music is what I joined the club for. I pray that Prince, or whomever at NPGMC is running the show, come to realize that they must do a better job in making the club a place that rewards us die-hard appreciators of his music, not a place to alienate those who love him most with what has transpired. [This message was edited Sun Dec 15 10:46:54 PST 2002 by Dauphin] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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geminito said: I didn't really expect all the CD's for 2002 to be exclusive, and I didn't want that either...
I'm with you on this one. If the music in the club wasn't exclusive then I would simply buy them from the wrecka stow. I've never been too bothered by waiting a few weeks for a Prince release, especially after living in the countryside and exotic countries for the last few years. I joined because I was thinking I would receive music that I wouldn't otherwise have had a chance of getting.. I guess now that the music isn't exclusive then it raises the question of whether it was pointless, and more expensive, to join the club this year than to wait around for general release. I'm not into withholding music from the general public for my own private listening! I missed the post today and received a mail notification card to pick up a parcel from the post office... rushed down there to be told missed deliveries can only be picked up on the following business day! I wonder what it could be? Life it ain't real funky unless you got that orgPop. | |
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codshort said: ***4 "new" cd's---the box set and ONA "demo" (actually 5 cd's if you count the duplicate). The value for these CD's are approximately $50, since the same 4 CD's will be in stores in less than 2 weeks. ***rights to buy members only tix for $125, with potential possibilty for soundcheck and afterparty access (not all were free for members, and non-members were also told of the aftershow). Non-members could get similar tix (the row behind members) for $85 (concert) and $25 (afterparty), but with no access to soundcheck. correct, with the adding that sometimes npgmc memebers had to pay uo to an additional 100$ to get in the aftershow, also in Europe, aftershows sales which were also open to the general public. Not exclusive at all, nor reasonably priced. ***rights to purchase a limited number of $250 Celebration passes for what everyone hailed as an incredible week of music. Non-members could only attend if on a ticket purchased by a member. too bad Prince is too "exclusive" to share this "incredible" week with the rest of the club on cd or file. ***rights to purchase merchandise that non members can only obtain at the concerts. I pray that Prince, or whomever at NPGMC is running the show, come to realize that they must do a better job in making the club a place that rewards us die-hard appreciators of his music, not a place to alienate those who love him most with what has transpired. me too. well said codshort. You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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screw you complainers. for a hundred bucks i've had the opportunity to attend three free aftershows. I have been within the first five rows at all of the six concerts i have attended this year. i have recieved four cds of amazing music and the ONA box set packaging was dope!!! and i had the chance to see the celebration which was the musical highlight of all time. He's not trying to rip you off. he makes more in one concert than he probably has off the musicclub. being a part of the music club has been well worth 100 dollars...and if you complainers cause them to stop the club then you are the real problem, not prince. And why don't you just shut up and not join next year. Please | |
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