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Printableivdf said: purple, why don't you spend your time getting some education? really, do you have a brain? or are you just designed to calling names non-stop?
Hey, that was the first time I ever called anyone a name here. So, that "non stop" stuff is just a lie. And I am getting an education right now...at the University of Illinois actually. I am just upset at the people who are trying to close down the club when many people will enjoy being a part of it next year. And why I am the name caller, when people like you are just as rude??  "Hot Thing...Barely 21" | |
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PurpleElectricityVioletB said: [...]I am just upset at the people who are trying to close down the club when many people will enjoy being a part of it next year.[...]
 I feel this way too, but it would be impossible to stop someone determined to do just that.
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ivdf said: i just wanted to let you all know that i have just filed a formal complaint against prince/paisley park enterprises/npg music club/npg records to the BBB.
i hope they either make them close the service or force them to never again commit the fraud of year 2. have a nice day:-) *** How pathetic. You'll never close the club down. It hasn't broken any of its agreements. | |
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mr7, you are the pathetic one... | |
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"False advertising" is probably the only real thing they're guilty of. Do what you gotta do. I've has issues with the club and have tried repeatedly to resolve them directly. So far, I've been generally ignored.
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Mr7 said:[quote] How pathetic.
I couldn't say it better myself. With fans like these, who needs enemies? | |
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PurpleElectricityVioletB said:[quote]Tom said:[quote] PurpleElectricityVioletB said: why should prince do anything for you. A: He is inreasingly reliant on our financial support. B: He advertised it. | |
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i seriously doubt that the NPGMC deliberately set out to 'trick' folks through false avertising.
maybe, if you're really dissatisfied, instead of trying to shut the club down, you could ask for a discounted membership in year3?? lots of businesses will offer discounts or rebates for unsatisfied customers. | |
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at least i have my own voice, unlike so many of you, of the jehovah witnesses paisley park church.. who will see no wrong, ever... | |
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LaVisHh said: PurpleElectricityVioletB said: [...]I am just upset at the people who are trying to close down the club when many people will enjoy being a part of it next year.[...]
I feel this way too, but it would be impossible to stop someone determined to do just that.
Here is a free hug Thanks! It seems everyone is bashing me because I like Prince and the club. "Hot Thing...Barely 21" | |
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I can see both sides of the arguement, but to be honest, the people who are reporting to the BBB have every right and are right to do so.
There is an element of people here who are attacking them, blaming them for possibly shutting down the club. Remember a few facts. Forget all the "Xenophobia" broken promises etc ets. The club promised everyone 4 CD, BEFORE retail. There are many people who have yet to recieve ANY CDs. They have two grounds. 1. Where the hell are my CDs? 2. ONA live has hit retail in two countries already! They have every right to be mad. Its not fair for us who have had our share to knock those who have not. Don't get me started on the "WORLD TOUR 2001 and 2002!" The club fucked up. AGAIN! Don't lay a guilt trip on those who have been less fortunate than others. That is selfishness, pure and simple. If the club shuts down, its through their own bad management. . | |
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Who cares anymore. Let the decline in memberships do the talking. Money is the only language the club understands. | |
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SquirrelMeat said: I can see both sides of the arguement, but to be honest, the people who are reporting to the BBB have every right and are right to do so.
There is an element of people here who are attacking them, blaming them for possibly shutting down the club. Remember a few facts. Forget all the "Xenophobia" broken promises etc ets. What "Xenophobia" broken promises? Please explain. The club promised everyone 4 CD, BEFORE retail. There are many people who have yet to recieve ANY CDs. They have two grounds. 1. Where the hell are my CDs? 2. ONA live has hit retail in two countries already! They have every right to be mad. Its not fair for us who have had our share to knock those who have not. I don't think "we're" knocking them because they are upset about not receiving the set yet. I wish everyone DID have it already. BUT it's a shipping mistake, that they are trying to resolve. It's not like the NPGMC decided that this set of people will have to wait, so there. I mean c'mon, it's not a deliberate act to deceive them. It's a mistake...yes it sux but it's nothing personal ya know. Don't get me started on the "WORLD TOUR 2001 and 2002!" The club fucked up. AGAIN! Don't lay a guilt trip on those who have been less fortunate than others. That is selfishness, pure and simple. I don't think anyone is trying to lay a guilt trip on those less fortunate with the club, but the less fortunate seem to be trying to lay a guilt trip on the club itself and those of us who are satisfied customers. If the club shuts down, its through their own bad management. If the club shuts down it's cause Prince got sick of the bullshit. There is NO way these handful of complaints are going to really impact the club. The BBB doesn't have that power for one thing. Tom seems to think the memberships are going to drastically decline over this...no offense but...HAHAHAHA! that's funny. If anything the overall membership will increase I'm sure...why? because half of the people who "say" they won't join again...will and the regular flow of new members will only increase after the release of the box set. "not a fan"  yeah...ok | |
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Shorty said: SquirrelMeat said: I can see both sides of the arguement, but to be honest, the people who are reporting to the BBB have every right and are right to do so.
There is an element of people here who are attacking them, blaming them for possibly shutting down the club. Remember a few facts. Forget all the "Xenophobia" broken promises etc ets. What "Xenophobia" broken promises? Please explain. The club promised everyone 4 CD, BEFORE retail. There are many people who have yet to recieve ANY CDs. They have two grounds. 1. Where the hell are my CDs? 2. ONA live has hit retail in two countries already! They have every right to be mad. Its not fair for us who have had our share to knock those who have not. I don't think "we're" knocking them because they are upset about not receiving the set yet. I wish everyone DID have it already. BUT it's a shipping mistake, that they are trying to resolve. It's not like the NPGMC decided that this set of people will have to wait, so there. I mean c'mon, it's not a deliberate act to deceive them. It's a mistake...yes it sux but it's nothing personal ya know. Don't get me started on the "WORLD TOUR 2001 and 2002!" The club fucked up. AGAIN! Don't lay a guilt trip on those who have been less fortunate than others. That is selfishness, pure and simple. I don't think anyone is trying to lay a guilt trip on those less fortunate with the club, but the less fortunate seem to be trying to lay a guilt trip on the club itself and those of us who are satisfied customers. If the club shuts down, its through their own bad management. If the club shuts down it's cause Prince got sick of the bullshit. There is NO way these handful of complaints are going to really impact the club. The BBB doesn't have that power for one thing. Tom seems to think the memberships are going to drastically decline over this...no offense but...HAHAHAHA! that's funny. If anything the overall membership will increase I'm sure...why? because half of the people who "say" they won't join again...will and the regular flow of new members will only increase after the release of the box set. Hey, I don't want to see the club shut down, but if it does shuts down it's prince' own fault. When you make explcit promises to thousands and thousands of people in return of 100$ per person you better be willing and able to keep them. It's the principal, nothing more and nothing less. period. - [This message was edited Fri Dec 13 6:51:54 PST 2002 by Abrazo] You are not my "friend" because you threaten my security. | |
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You can't please all the people, all the time.
The number of times I've heard people here praying for a live album. And here it is, and now there's moaning that it's not "new". Get over it ! You never know, there might be a 5th CD this year ! ( Probably not, but there's always hope  )
Personally I hate live albums ! I like to be able to watch a concert, not just hear it. | |
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Shorty said: SquirrelMeat said: I can see both sides of the arguement, but to be honest, the people who are reporting to the BBB have every right and are right to do so.
There is an element of people here who are attacking them, blaming them for possibly shutting down the club. Remember a few facts. Forget all the "Xenophobia" broken promises etc ets. What "Xenophobia" broken promises? Please explain. The club promised everyone 4 CD, BEFORE retail. There are many people who have yet to recieve ANY CDs. They have two grounds. 1. Where the hell are my CDs? 2. ONA live has hit retail in two countries already! They have every right to be mad. Its not fair for us who have had our share to knock those who have not. I don't think "we're" knocking them because they are upset about not receiving the set yet. I wish everyone DID have it already. BUT it's a shipping mistake, that they are trying to resolve. It's not like the NPGMC decided that this set of people will have to wait, so there. I mean c'mon, it's not a deliberate act to deceive them. It's a mistake...yes it sux but it's nothing personal ya know. Don't get me started on the "WORLD TOUR 2001 and 2002!" The club fucked up. AGAIN! Don't lay a guilt trip on those who have been less fortunate than others. That is selfishness, pure and simple. I don't think anyone is trying to lay a guilt trip on those less fortunate with the club, but the less fortunate seem to be trying to lay a guilt trip on the club itself and those of us who are satisfied customers. If the club shuts down, its through their own bad management. If the club shuts down it's cause Prince got sick of the bullshit. There is NO way these handful of complaints are going to really impact the club. The BBB doesn't have that power for one thing. Tom seems to think the memberships are going to drastically decline over this...no offense but...HAHAHAHA! that's funny. If anything the overall membership will increase I'm sure...why? because half of the people who "say" they won't join again...will and the regular flow of new members will only increase after the release of the box set. get back to me next year at this time on that one. | |
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I think that if you feel you were cheated, you should file a complaint, but thin first. see if it wasn't just a misinterpretation of the deal. | |
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ivdf said: at least i have my own voice, unlike so many of you, of the jehovah witnesses paisley park church.. who will see no wrong, ever...
*** So that is how you are trying to generalise and label those who are satisfied with the NPGMC? A man who has to pigeon-hole people who have a contrary opinion to himself, is a very weak man indeed. | |
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If the club shuts down it's cause Prince got sick of the bullshit. There is NO way these handful of complaints are going to really impact the club. The BBB doesn't have that power for one thing.
Tom seems to think the memberships are going to drastically decline over this...no offense but...HAHAHAHA! that's funny. If anything the overall membership will increase I'm sure...why? because half of the people who "say" they won't join again...will and the regular flow of new members will only increase after the release of the box set.[/quote] *** Well said, Shorty. Certain people around here have a serious delusions of grandeur ... | |
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Tom said: Shorty said: SquirrelMeat said: I can see both sides of the arguement, but to be honest, the people who are reporting to the BBB have every right and are right to do so.
There is an element of people here who are attacking them, blaming them for possibly shutting down the club. Remember a few facts. Forget all the "Xenophobia" broken promises etc ets. What "Xenophobia" broken promises? Please explain. The club promised everyone 4 CD, BEFORE retail. There are many people who have yet to recieve ANY CDs. They have two grounds. 1. Where the hell are my CDs? 2. ONA live has hit retail in two countries already! They have every right to be mad. Its not fair for us who have had our share to knock those who have not. I don't think "we're" knocking them because they are upset about not receiving the set yet. I wish everyone DID have it already. BUT it's a shipping mistake, that they are trying to resolve. It's not like the NPGMC decided that this set of people will have to wait, so there. I mean c'mon, it's not a deliberate act to deceive them. It's a mistake...yes it sux but it's nothing personal ya know. Don't get me started on the "WORLD TOUR 2001 and 2002!" The club fucked up. AGAIN! Don't lay a guilt trip on those who have been less fortunate than others. That is selfishness, pure and simple. I don't think anyone is trying to lay a guilt trip on those less fortunate with the club, but the less fortunate seem to be trying to lay a guilt trip on the club itself and those of us who are satisfied customers. If the club shuts down, its through their own bad management. If the club shuts down it's cause Prince got sick of the bullshit. There is NO way these handful of complaints are going to really impact the club. The BBB doesn't have that power for one thing. Tom seems to think the memberships are going to drastically decline over this...no offense but...HAHAHAHA! that's funny. If anything the overall membership will increase I'm sure...why? because half of the people who "say" they won't join again...will and the regular flow of new members will only increase after the release of the box set. get back to me next year at this time on that one. why don't you just let us all know when you DO join again..ok? LOL who's the suckers? those who are happy and re-join or those who are not and rejoin? think on that ok? it's tricky. "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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Mr7 said: If the club shuts down it's cause Prince got sick of the bullshit. There is NO way these handful of complaints are going to really impact the club. The BBB doesn't have that power for one thing.
Tom seems to think the memberships are going to drastically decline over this...no offense but...HAHAHAHA! that's funny. If anything the overall membership will increase I'm sure...why? because half of the people who "say" they won't join again...will and the regular flow of new members will only increase after the release of the box set. *** Its funny how fanatics go from rabidly complaining about us filing BBB complaints in the first place and tweaking that if the club shuts down its our fault, to now saying that its insignificant and the club is some mamoth empire. Look at the last album prince sold retail. Now look at how many copies it sold, that will give you a closer estimate of whos in the club. Are you ignoring the fact that it caught the attention of NPGMC enough to prompt their attorney to write a reply? Its bad enough when the club ingores its members comments, but when prince drones on here refuse to accept that not everyone shares the same opinion of prince and his club its pretty sad. [This message was edited Fri Dec 13 9:07:19 PST 2002 by Tom] | |
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Shorty said: Tom said: Shorty said: SquirrelMeat said: I can see both sides of the arguement, but to be honest, the people who are reporting to the BBB have every right and are right to do so.
There is an element of people here who are attacking them, blaming them for possibly shutting down the club. Remember a few facts. Forget all the "Xenophobia" broken promises etc ets. What "Xenophobia" broken promises? Please explain. The club promised everyone 4 CD, BEFORE retail. There are many people who have yet to recieve ANY CDs. They have two grounds. 1. Where the hell are my CDs? 2. ONA live has hit retail in two countries already! They have every right to be mad. Its not fair for us who have had our share to knock those who have not. I don't think "we're" knocking them because they are upset about not receiving the set yet. I wish everyone DID have it already. BUT it's a shipping mistake, that they are trying to resolve. It's not like the NPGMC decided that this set of people will have to wait, so there. I mean c'mon, it's not a deliberate act to deceive them. It's a mistake...yes it sux but it's nothing personal ya know. Don't get me started on the "WORLD TOUR 2001 and 2002!" The club fucked up. AGAIN! Don't lay a guilt trip on those who have been less fortunate than others. That is selfishness, pure and simple. I don't think anyone is trying to lay a guilt trip on those less fortunate with the club, but the less fortunate seem to be trying to lay a guilt trip on the club itself and those of us who are satisfied customers. If the club shuts down, its through their own bad management. If the club shuts down it's cause Prince got sick of the bullshit. There is NO way these handful of complaints are going to really impact the club. The BBB doesn't have that power for one thing. Tom seems to think the memberships are going to drastically decline over this...no offense but...HAHAHAHA! that's funny. If anything the overall membership will increase I'm sure...why? because half of the people who "say" they won't join again...will and the regular flow of new members will only increase after the release of the box set. get back to me next year at this time on that one. why don't you just let us all know when you DO join again..ok? LOL who's the suckers? those who are happy and re-join or those who are not and rejoin? think on that ok? it's tricky. $250 celebration pass $400 a very modest estimate to fly out to Minnesota and stay there a week for the celebration (since the rest of the world doesnt live there) $125 concert tickets (x 2 if you bring a friend makes that $250) $100 to join the club. total: $1000 How about we compare what we got for $1000 next year at this time. I can buy quite a few CDs and go to quite a few concerts with that money. | |
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Ok, to summarize how I feel.
I don't think it is right for anyone to be calling each other names, first of all. Secondly, if someone has chosen to not contact outside assistance, because they are satisfied, what's wrong with that? Third, if someone has decided they needed outside assistance, because they weren't satisfied, what's wrong with that? I say nothing, to answer both of my own questions. In my case, I am satsified, and didn't feel it was necessary to go outside the club. I aired my opinions to them, gave them ideas for improvements (in my own eyes), and I am cool with that. I just wish all the name calling would stop, it really isn't necessary to attack each other over opinions. Discussing works better, don't you think? | |
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Tom said: Mr7 said: If the club shuts down it's cause Prince got sick of the bullshit. There is NO way these handful of complaints are going to really impact the club. The BBB doesn't have that power for one thing.
Tom seems to think the memberships are going to drastically decline over this...no offense but...HAHAHAHA! that's funny. If anything the overall membership will increase I'm sure...why? because half of the people who "say" they won't join again...will and the regular flow of new members will only increase after the release of the box set. *** Its funny how fanatics go from rabidly complaining exaggerate much? about us filing BBB complaints in the first place and tweaking more exaggerating that if the club shuts down its our fault, I never said that to now saying that its insignificant and the club is some mamoth empire. more exagerating, and I didn't say that Look at the last album prince sold retail. Now look at how many copies it sold, that will give you a closer estimate of whos in the club. wow, you're so smart! Are you ignoring the fact that it caught the attention of NPGMC enough to prompt their attorney to write a reply? no..I'm not ignoring anything. The BBB wrote to them and they responded to that. not really a strange set of circumstances Its bad enough when the club ingores its members comments, but when prince drones on here refuse to accept that not everyone shares the same opinion of prince and his club its pretty sad. for the millionth time! I neve said anyone wasn't allowed their opinion! Geesh! but I am also entitled to one..whether you realize it or not. [This message was edited Fri Dec 13 9:07:19 PST 2002 by Tom] "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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ivdf said: mr7, you are the pathetic one...
We can always count on a mature discussion when one of the complainers starts a thread. Oh well, I'm in a frisky mood: No, ivdf, YOU are the pathetic one! (I await your retort.) | |
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what's the use of discussion with people who don't wanna see? i did what i said i did because i feel it's right, so there's no discussion possible. the moment you don't spit poison when someone says something remotely negative about prince i will be able to start a serious discussion. but until then i won't low myself to start a fight, so don't waste your time.
if you still believe that prince can do no wrong it's alright with me, but do not try, please, to make different opinions agree; it's useless. some people simply accept the fact that there are prince music lovers who don't like what he's doing. others simply get mad when someone doesn't say "amen". you take it too personal when someone "attacks" prince. and then i wonder what are you, believers, members of a sect, do you have your own opinion or is it just about living accordinly to what "the pope" prince says? come on, if you don't wanna look pathetic, grow up and get a life outside the paisley church. i am sure you can do it, "you can make it if you try". | |
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ivdf said: what's the use of discussion with people who don't wanna see? i did what i said i did because i feel it's right, so there's no discussion possible. the moment you don't spit poison when someone says something remotely negative about prince i will be able to start a serious discussion. but until then i won't low myself to start a fight, so don't waste your time.
if you still believe that prince can do no wrong it's alright with me, but do not try, please, to make different opinions agree; it's useless. some people simply accept the fact that there are prince music lovers who don't like what he's doing. others simply get mad when someone doesn't say "amen". you take it too personal when someone "attacks" prince. and then i wonder what are you, believers, members of a sect, do you have your own opinion or is it just about living accordinly to what "the pope" prince says? come on, if you don't wanna look pathetic, grow up and get a life outside the paisley church. i am sure you can do it, "you can make it if you try". you're so realistic! NOT! "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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shorty, you are so normal, NOT! | |
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ivdf said: shorty, you are so normal, NOT!
well, I take that as a compliment coming from you. Thank you sweetheart  "not a fan" yeah...ok | |
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well, i don't really understand why you take as a personal insult whenever someone says something negative about prince. is it just fanatism? and why do you feel that need? are you really unable to see that our opinions don't have to agree? you have your place under the wings of the jw's paisley prince church and we have ours. are you so paranoid and narcisist as he is, that you will never accept a "no"? it looks like the simple fact of someone expressing an opinion gets you mad. can't you live with that? it's not about you, darling. why don't you try to learn and accept that there's no black without white? and that the opossite of yes is no? oh, please...
Shorty said: ivdf said: shorty, you are so normal, NOT!
well, I take that as a compliment coming from you. Thank you sweetheart | |
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