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PrintableTheEnglishGent said: 80spfantwp said: But saying Prince isn't motivated by money is, IMHO, an absolute joke! well, ok, so maybe he's motivated by money. I'm just saying it's not the main thing.
If his vault is his pension, he'd be as well to release stuff now and put the proceeds into a pension fund, earning him interest. The music is worthless just sat on a shelf. It would make much more sense to release it sooner if it's supposed to be a retirement fund. [Edited 4/21/09 10:21am] Just to make my opinion clear: good luck to Prince. He deserves all the wealth he has. But make no mistake, he is motivated, first and foremost, by money. He has huge overheads - musicians/ engineers on call, costly monthly rental on his home, lavish lifestyle. I'd be willing to bet anything that Prince is more than shrewd enuf to hold out with the real goods until he can't perform anymore, or interest from his fans lessens significantly. Look at lotuesflow3r website, much like npgmc once he made a return to mainstreeam popularity - of sorts - he cut the amount of stuff available to his fans on his sites. IMHO we are getting the bare minimum from the site that he considers is worthy of charging $77 yr. Don't expect the vault nuggets we all know exist anytime soon. Coz THATS where his pension really is, and that won't hit the shelves for many a yr to come. Just my opinion. But Prince so cares about the money, and, think, a lot more than you seem to realise. | |
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80spfantwp said: TheEnglishGent said: well, ok, so maybe he's motivated by money. I'm just saying it's not the main thing.
If his vault is his pension, he'd be as well to release stuff now and put the proceeds into a pension fund, earning him interest. The music is worthless just sat on a shelf. It would make much more sense to release it sooner if it's supposed to be a retirement fund. [Edited 4/21/09 10:21am] Just to make my opinion clear: good luck to Prince. He deserves all the wealth he has. But make no mistake, he is motivated, first and foremost, by money. He has huge overheads - musicians/ engineers on call, costly monthly rental on his home, lavish lifestyle. I'd be willing to bet anything that Prince is more than shrewd enuf to hold out with the real goods until he can't perform anymore, or interest from his fans lessens significantly. Look at lotuesflow3r website, much like npgmc once he made a return to mainstreeam popularity - of sorts - he cut the amount of stuff available to his fans on his sites. IMHO we are getting the bare minimum from the site that he considers is worthy of charging $77 yr. Don't expect the vault nuggets we all know exist anytime soon. Coz THATS where his pension really is, and that won't hit the shelves for many a yr to come. Just my opinion. But Prince so cares about the money, and, think, a lot more than you seem to realise. I don't buy the fact that he plans to live off of vault material. No matter how you slice it, Prince will NEVER be broke (as long as he doesn't do crazy spending like MJ or MC Hammer). I don't see him being like that. I have the feeling that if Prince decided to go into seclusion for the rest of his life and not record or release any material, he would be set pretty well. Hell, he should be able to live comfortable off of Purple Rain and Kiss royalties for the rest of his life if nothing else. Sure, he would have to cut back on some things, but he would probably still live better than most of us. I think P doesn't issue the material in the vault because he doesn't want to. It's just that simple. Besides, nobody knows what material in The Vault is owned by WB. I'm sure there are songs/albums that have were submitted to WB and never got released. We don't know what the conditions of his contract were between 1978 and 1985. There is a reason why Crystal Ball covered the years 1985 to 1997. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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daPrettyman said: 80spfantwp said: Just to make my opinion clear: good luck to Prince. He deserves all the wealth he has. But make no mistake, he is motivated, first and foremost, by money. He has huge overheads - musicians/ engineers on call, costly monthly rental on his home, lavish lifestyle. I'd be willing to bet anything that Prince is more than shrewd enuf to hold out with the real goods until he can't perform anymore, or interest from his fans lessens significantly. Look at lotuesflow3r website, much like npgmc once he made a return to mainstreeam popularity - of sorts - he cut the amount of stuff available to his fans on his sites. IMHO we are getting the bare minimum from the site that he considers is worthy of charging $77 yr. Don't expect the vault nuggets we all know exist anytime soon. Coz THATS where his pension really is, and that won't hit the shelves for many a yr to come. Just my opinion. But Prince so cares about the money, and, think, a lot more than you seem to realise. I don't buy the fact that he plans to live off of vault material. No matter how you slice it, Prince will NEVER be broke (as long as he doesn't do crazy spending like MJ or MC Hammer). I don't see him being like that. I have the feeling that if Prince decided to go into seclusion for the rest of his life and not record or release any material, he would be set pretty well. Hell, he should be able to live comfortable off of Purple Rain and Kiss royalties for the rest of his life if nothing else. Sure, he would have to cut back on some things, but he would probably still live better than most of us. I think P doesn't issue the material in the vault because he doesn't want to. It's just that simple. Besides, nobody knows what material in The Vault is owned by WB. I'm sure there are songs/albums that have were submitted to WB and never got released. We don't know what the conditions of his contract were between 1978 and 1985. There is a reason why Crystal Ball covered the years 1985 to 1997. Can't this really only start happening as he gets the rights back to his proper albums or is that separate? Doesn't he get the rights back starting at 30 years after release? 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: daPrettyman said: I don't buy the fact that he plans to live off of vault material. No matter how you slice it, Prince will NEVER be broke (as long as he doesn't do crazy spending like MJ or MC Hammer). I don't see him being like that. I have the feeling that if Prince decided to go into seclusion for the rest of his life and not record or release any material, he would be set pretty well. Hell, he should be able to live comfortable off of Purple Rain and Kiss royalties for the rest of his life if nothing else. Sure, he would have to cut back on some things, but he would probably still live better than most of us. I think P doesn't issue the material in the vault because he doesn't want to. It's just that simple. Besides, nobody knows what material in The Vault is owned by WB. I'm sure there are songs/albums that have were submitted to WB and never got released. We don't know what the conditions of his contract were between 1978 and 1985. There is a reason why Crystal Ball covered the years 1985 to 1997. Can't this really only start happening as he gets the rights back to his proper albums or is that separate? Doesn't he get the rights back starting at 30 years after release? I think so. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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I think I have visited the site a total of 5-6 times. I am really disappointed,and if nothing major happens by the end of the year I will not be a member next year.  Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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EmeraldSkies said: I think I have visited the site a total of 5-6 times. I am really disappointed,and if nothing major happens by the end of the year I will not be a member next year.
I keep trying to tell myself that too, but I know myself....I'll be trying to join so I can get in on whatever is new. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Lets not stir the pot or incite here please.(class action lawsuit)
So what if it doesnt offer anything that we can not get better and faster from other places in the net.(class action lawsuit) I'm sure he did his best.(class action lawsuit) Its not like just a crass quicky way to bilk his fams (class action lawsuit) Its not like the Crystal Ball record that i pre ordered and never got and bought at Circuit City almost a year later. (class action lawsuit) And its also not like the lifetime membership i paid for his other site that is now gone.(class action lawsuit) Or that i cannot play the music files i bought from that other site.(class action lawsuit) Prince always does things in funny ways, but thats just how artists are.(class action lawsuit) . [Edited 4/21/09 16:40pm] | |
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MaryTheTrashyCougar said: Lets not stir the pot or incite here please.(class action lawsuit)
So what if it doesnt offer anything that we can not get better and faster from other places in the net.(class action lawsuit) I'm sure he did his best.(class action lawsuit) Its not like just a crass quicky way to bilk his fams (class action lawsuit) Its not like the Crystal Ball record that i pre ordered and never got and bought at Circuit City almost a year later. (class action lawsuit) And its also not like the lifetime membership i paid for his other site that is now gone.(class action lawsuit) Or that i cannot play the music files i bought from that other site.(class action lawsuit) Prince always does things in funny ways, but thats just how artists are.(class action lawsuit) . [Edited 4/21/09 16:40pm] LOL, what did you do with Gary The No Trash Cougar? | |
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"Do you own your masters, Charlie Brown?" LMFAO, that is cold! | |
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Hell, he probably was so baffled about how everyone was goo goo and ga ga'in over the site before it open that he decided to give ya'll exactly what you wanted.. a black hole.   | |
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daPrettyman said: EmeraldSkies said: I think I have visited the site a total of 5-6 times. I am really disappointed,and if nothing major happens by the end of the year I will not be a member next year.
I keep trying to tell myself that too, but I know myself....I'll be trying to join so I can get in on whatever is new. I need more for $77. I was expecting to want to visit the site almost daily,and the "stuff that would only be available the first week". If the 12 albums worth of songs that was talked about in a interview gets put up on that site,I will gladly fork over another year's worth.  [Edited 4/21/09 22:59pm] Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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I'm just wondering what site the preview crowd saw and how they said it was so amazing... is this the same site????? Really????? |
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EmeraldSkies said: daPrettyman said: I keep trying to tell myself that too, but I know myself....I'll be trying to join so I can get in on whatever is new. I need more for $77. I was expecting to want to visit the site almost daily,and the "stuff that would only be available the first week". If the 12 albums worth of songs that was talked about in a interview gets put up on that site,I will gladly fork over another year's worth.
[Edited 4/21/09 22:59pm] so now the rumor went from 10 to 12 albums eh? To Sir, with Love | |
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PEJ said: EmeraldSkies said: I need more for $77. I was expecting to want to visit the site almost daily,and the "stuff that would only be available the first week". If the 12 albums worth of songs that was talked about in a interview gets put up on that site,I will gladly fork over another year's worth.
[Edited 4/21/09 22:59pm] so now the rumor went from 10 to 12 albums eh? Oops!  It was 10,I wonder where I got 12? Probably wishful thinking! Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach | |
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RodeoSchro said:
[/quote] LOL, what did you do with Gary The No Trash Cougar?[/quote] I think it's Wolfy. | |
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EmeraldSkies said: PEJ said: so now the rumor went from 10 to 12 albums eh? Oops! It was 10,I wonder where I got 12? Probably wishful thinking!   RIP  | |
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I didn´t login on Lotusflow3r for over 2 weeks now because the site sucks big time !  | |
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floralelephants said: I'm just wondering what site the preview crowd saw and how they said it was so amazing... is this the same site????? Really?????
I remember some of them were saying a store was going to be included. Maybe it's coming soon. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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Philly76 said: I didn´t login on Lotusflow3r for over 2 weeks now because the site sucks big time !
I don't think it sux, but it is pretty dull once you've seen everything. I did notice that you can get "member" updates by clicking the symbol. **--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••--**--••**--••-
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asideorderofham said: Graycap23 said: Considering that it took 4 months 2 rollout the site.....maybe a little patience will do u good.
Considering that it took 4 months 2 rollout the site.....maybe they should have put some content inside.  Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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80spfantwp said: I'd be willing to bet anything that Prince is more than shrewd enuf to hold out with the real goods until he can't perform anymore, or interest from his fans lessens significantly.
Except at by then his vault is worth a fraction of what it was worth at its peak. © Bart Van Hemelen
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daPrettyman said: No matter how you slice it, Prince will NEVER be broke (as long as he doesn't do crazy spending like MJ or MC Hammer). I don't see him being like that.
Don't be mistaken: I bet he spends a ton of money on dumb shit. Here's a guy who records entire albums for whatever bimbo is in his favor this month and then shelves it. A guy who makes videos to pass the time. In the end, all that studio time and all those musicians etc still need to be paid, ditto his staff etc. He rents a villa in LA: can't be cheap. It all adds up fast. Yes, there's a steady stream of income from royalties, but I bet that is a lot less than at it used to be. daPrettyman said: Besides, nobody knows what material in The Vault is owned by WB. I'm sure there are songs/albums that have were submitted to WB and never got released. We don't know what the conditions of his contract were between 1978 and 1985. There is a reason why Crystal Ball covered the years 1985 to 1997.
So? Is he gonna wait until he gets back those rights and his collection is worth a fraction of what it once was? Why not COLLABORATE with WB and strike a deal? Look at the special editions Pearl Jam just released of "Ten". Sure, I bet there's a bunch of audio rips on torrent sites, but those still can't replace the actual object. Getting that awesome vinyl copy of Wendy & Lisa's latest record was a fantastic experience for me. And you can bet I'm gonna go buy the Jane's Addiction box set. Prince needs to realize that music on a physical carrier is dying, but that there's still money to be made by PLEASING YOUR FANS. A while ago I LMAO at Josh Freese's idiotic packages : http://bit.ly/29xTW . But as it turned out, they weren't jokes and he is doing as promised and actually goes beyond the minimum: http://bit.ly/idGQW . Do I think the one fan who spent $20,000 is nuts? Sure, but at the same time I realise that kid is having the time of his life, and by the looks of it he is a genuine fan, not some rich idiot who buys a butt-ugly "limited edition" book + iPod as an investment. Imagine that Prince would a) stop releasing mediocre records and b) start up an "Archives" program where you could buy remastered versions of his classic 1980s records, including bonus racks (extended versions and B-sides and outtakes), on a multitude of formats: cheap downloads, affordable "regular" releases, pricey deluxe editions, vinyl, super duper deluxe editions,... But he needs to do this NOW, because he's losing fans by the truckload. © Bart Van Hemelen
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BartVanHemelen said: daPrettyman said: No matter how you slice it, Prince will NEVER be broke (as long as he doesn't do crazy spending like MJ or MC Hammer). I don't see him being like that.
Don't be mistaken: I bet he spends a ton of money on dumb shit. Here's a guy who records entire albums for whatever bimbo is in his favor this month and then shelves it. A guy who makes videos to pass the time. In the end, all that studio time and all those musicians etc still need to be paid, ditto his staff etc. He rents a villa in LA: can't be cheap. It all adds up fast. Yes, there's a steady stream of income from royalties, but I bet that is a lot less than at it used to be. daPrettyman said: Besides, nobody knows what material in The Vault is owned by WB. I'm sure there are songs/albums that have were submitted to WB and never got released. We don't know what the conditions of his contract were between 1978 and 1985. There is a reason why Crystal Ball covered the years 1985 to 1997.
So? Is he gonna wait until he gets back those rights and his collection is worth a fraction of what it once was? Why not COLLABORATE with WB and strike a deal? Look at the special editions Pearl Jam just released of "Ten". Sure, I bet there's a bunch of audio rips on torrent sites, but those still can't replace the actual object. Getting that awesome vinyl copy of Wendy & Lisa's latest record was a fantastic experience for me. And you can bet I'm gonna go buy the Jane's Addiction box set. Prince needs to realize that music on a physical carrier is dying, but that there's still money to be made by PLEASING YOUR FANS. A while ago I LMAO at Josh Freese's idiotic packages : http://bit.ly/29xTW . But as it turned out, they weren't jokes and he is doing as promised and actually goes beyond the minimum: http://bit.ly/idGQW . Do I think the one fan who spent $20,000 is nuts? Sure, but at the same time I realise that kid is having the time of his life, and by the looks of it he is a genuine fan, not some rich idiot who buys a butt-ugly "limited edition" book + iPod as an investment. Imagine that Prince would a) stop releasing mediocre records and b) start up an "Archives" program where you could buy remastered versions of his classic 1980s records, including bonus racks (extended versions and B-sides and outtakes), on a multitude of formats: cheap downloads, affordable "regular" releases, pricey deluxe editions, vinyl, super duper deluxe editions,... But he needs to do this NOW, because he's losing fans by the truckload. He wouldnt do it without altering risque lyrics, censoring cussing, etc. This is my biggest issue - why does he not embrace what got him to where he is today - he appears to be ashamed of certain parts of his back catalogue, mainly because of his change in beliefs, a real shame !!!! Fine dont perform the songs live anymore, but dont prevent a historical document from getting the remastering treatment it truly deserves, in the original state in which the 'art' was created???? | |
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BartVanHemelen said: Prince needs to realize that music on a physical carrier is dying, but that there's still money to be made by PLEASING YOUR FANS.
The `physical carrier dying` phrase might appear catchy to current ears, but you got to realise that you need a business model change to be able to appreciate that reality. (e.g. you want to be able to get that music again when your ipod goes kaputt) In the other case, of no business model change, you will want backups of the music on physical media: CD, flash, whatever. And I didn't even mention booklets: artwork, lyrics, etc. Digital ones don't do it yet. Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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BartVanHemelen said: Imagine that Prince would a) stop releasing mediocre records and b) start up an "Archives" program where you could buy remastered versions of his classic 1980s records, including bonus racks (extended versions and B-sides and outtakes), on a multitude of formats: cheap downloads, affordable "regular" releases, pricey deluxe editions, vinyl, super duper deluxe editions,... But he needs to do this NOW, because he's losing fans by the truckload.
Hmmm. - 'Rehash'? (AKA: desecration, boring, etc) - Also: aren't most of his old masters owned by WB? So he cannot do this yet, even if he wanted to? Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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BTW: The site appears dead.
By now a snippet from one of the LA shows could have been there. The bootleggars are already in full swing w.r.t. these shows. Or something else. But nothing happened except for the Ellen tixx thing that only works for mostly USAsians. So what is up Scotty? Are you reading this? Can you please lift a tip of the veil? Please? Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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it's such a colorful galaxy of goodies.. what every prince fan desires!! | |
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NuPwrSoul said: It's boring because there is no interactivity... and of course no new content.
It's just a place for Prince to hawk his goods... he's using the 90s model of the web as a retail outlet... not the web 2.0 idea of social interaction, community building, and user-generated content. As a result the site is a bit of a dinosaur. Thank you. I was trying to figure out how to say that. On another thread the website designers said that it was intended to be video game-like. I don't really consider clicking on a spinning globe to be interactive at all. It's annoying. That being said, I don't see Prince allowing uncensored user-generated content. | |
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80spfantwp said: TheEnglishGent said: well, ok, so maybe he's motivated by money. I'm just saying it's not the main thing.
If his vault is his pension, he'd be as well to release stuff now and put the proceeds into a pension fund, earning him interest. The music is worthless just sat on a shelf. It would make much more sense to release it sooner if it's supposed to be a retirement fund. [Edited 4/21/09 10:21am] Just to make my opinion clear: good luck to Prince. He deserves all the wealth he has. But make no mistake, he is motivated, first and foremost, by money. He has huge overheads - musicians/ engineers on call, costly monthly rental on his home, lavish lifestyle. I'd be willing to bet anything that Prince is more than shrewd enuf to hold out with the real goods until he can't perform anymore, or interest from his fans lessens significantly. Look at lotuesflow3r website, much like npgmc once he made a return to mainstreeam popularity - of sorts - he cut the amount of stuff available to his fans on his sites. IMHO we are getting the bare minimum from the site that he considers is worthy of charging $77 yr. Don't expect the vault nuggets we all know exist anytime soon. Coz THATS where his pension really is, and that won't hit the shelves for many a yr to come. Just my opinion. But Prince so cares about the money, and, think, a lot more than you seem to realise. Definately agree with what you said. And I think he should care about the money. That being said I think he has done a lot as far as keeping prices low on the music and performances-including Las Vegas. | |
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MrsGoodnight said: I am
I was kinda hoping there'd be a 'Jam of the Week' section, with somthing new to download every week. No such luck That's actually a pretty good idea. | |
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