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Printable When asked whether Prince plans to add a forum to the LF.com site, they say that Prince doesn't want to because he thinks there are already a lot of places, like Prince.org, for them to gather. No Candy 4 Me | |
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When asked about what kind of unreleased material from the "Vault" will eventually be put up on the site, they say that the Sacrifice of Victor is up now, and that the Ryde Divine and a "complete show from Purple Rain" will be added.
In other words, it looks like a VHS copy of the Syracuse show is being downloaded now! 
They say that Prince is considering what additional audio, if any, will be put up, but it sounds like the promise of footage dating back to the 70s will consist mostly of stuff that's previously been made publicly available. No Candy 4 Me | |
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The one other interesting thing of note was that neither designer is someone who really had much prior Prince knowledge. Both said they never saw NPGMC and Prince didn't show it to them, so they designed LF.com without any real knowledge of what had been there before. (They say they did talk to some former members about what worked and didn't work.)
When they were discussing the video footage that had been compiled, I don't think either had any idea that the Purple Rain show they were referencing was already publicly released so I'm sure they're going to be oblivious to why people will complain that it's nothing new. No Candy 4 Me | |
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june 7, 1984.
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BanishedBrian said: When asked about what kind of unreleased material from the "Vault" will eventually be put up on the site, they say that the Sacrifice of Victor is up now, and that the Ryde Divine and a "complete show from Purple Rain" will be added.
In other words, it looks like a VHS copy of the Syracuse show is being downloaded now!
They say that Prince is considering what additional audio, if any, will be put up, but it sounds like the promise of footage dating back to the 70s will consist mostly of stuff that's previously been made publicly available. That's not promising at all. Neither is the fact that they didn't seem to know a lot about Prince or his previous web presences before working on this project. It means that whatever Prince gives them they will think it's rare exclusive material, when it may be stuff that has been officially available for years. Like the Syracuse show... maybe we'll get 3 Chains of Gold! Videos from Grafitti Bridge! woohoo  "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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BanishedBrian said: The one other interesting thing of note was that neither designer is someone who really had much prior Prince knowledge. Both said they never saw NPGMC and Prince didn't show it to them, so they designed LF.com without any real knowledge of what had been there before. (They say they did talk to some former members about what worked and didn't work.)
When they were discussing the video footage that had been compiled, I don't think either had any idea that the Purple Rain show they were referencing was already publicly released so I'm sure they're going to be oblivious to why people will complain that it's nothing new. Those who fail to study the lessons of the past are doomed to repeat them. We certainly saw that this week.  "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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2elijah said: BartVanHemelen said: Oh for crying out loud, I barely spend time on the Org, it's just that now there's a new album & site coming out that I'm a bit more active. Hell, I probably would have posted just a handful of comments if the site had just been crap, but this is just a fortress of FAIL and Scott just keeps making things worse. And if this place was like the NIN fan forum Echoing The Sound (and most fans were like the fans there), then I wouldn't even have needed to post any or my "rants",simply because other fans would have already done it. Oh, and Trent would have read those comments and acted upon them. Imagine that, an artist who cares about what his fans say! But in Prince world I'm the big evil guy who hates Prince, yet some obsessed fan who's been banned from just about any fan forum gets invited to Prince's house. No, I'm not jealous, I don't wanna visit Prince in LA, but if I'd been there, you can bet your ass that either you wouldn't be looking at lotusflow3r.com like it is today, or you would have read a major story on how Prince behaved like a total ass to a fan who pointed out flaws in his website. Because I'm not the kind of fool who'd tell a reporter from the Huffington Post that "this night will change your life". Whoa Dude, don't flatter yourself. I am not obsessed over you being a fan, I could careless about you actually. I commented to your post which I rarely do, because just like everyone else, you put your comments out there on a public forum for people to read and obviously respond to, so expect them to do that. I actually was very nice to you in asking the question, but obviously the question ticked off a sensitive nerve in you.Funny though, how it seems you don't like others making assumptions about you, yet you're full of criticism of others. Carry on.
[Edited 3/30/09 13:18pm] You noticed that too eh? lol. He brought out all the horses for that one, even good ol' "chefboy" Welcome to the wonderful world of BVH 
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Yesterday I couldn't watch videos. Did that get fixed yet? | |
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Vendetta1 said: Yesterday I couldn't watch videos. Did that get fixed yet?
it works off and on. sometimes they won't load at all. other times they work fine. it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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stanleylieber said: Vendetta1 said: Yesterday I couldn't watch videos. Did that get fixed yet?
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Vendetta1 said: stanleylieber said: it works off and on. sometimes they won't load at all. other times they work fine. whatever happened to sam, anyway? did he ever come back around these parts? it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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stanleylieber said: Vendetta1 said: Folks can say what they want about Sam's skills as a designer or whatever but I personally never had a problem with the NPGMC site.
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BanishedBrian said: The site designers are being interviewed on Joe Kelley
Ain't it funny how those developers can only be arsed to talk to people who won't ask hard questions? When has Joe EVER asked anyone a hard question? BanishedBrian said: and it does sound like they've been making a strong effort over the last week to troubleshoot.
It took them HOW MANY DAYS to fix the Mplsound WAV ZIP? And that's an issue that shouldn't have happened in the first place. BanishedBrian said: For example, they indicated that they are going to make video content available in two different resolutions so that people with machines that can handle high-quality content can get it,
Exactly the kind of bullcrap that someone with any knowledge would debunk. BanishedBrian said: You get a vibe of "accountability" from them, which I think is a good sign that the site will get better with time.
Then they can give back my money now, I'll pay for the site when it a) works and b) is secure and offering valuable content. © Bart Van Hemelen
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2elijah said: Whoa Dude, don't flatter yourself.
I am not obsessed over you being a fan, I could careless about you actually. Have I asked YOU any question about YOU? Nope. Now go read your posts in this thread and go count how many times you said stuff ABOUT ME. Just in this thread. 2elijah said: I actually was very nice to you in asking the question, but obviously the question ticked off a sensitive nerve in you.
No it didn't. Once again this is you obsessing about me. 2elijah said: Funny though, how it seems you don't like others making assumptions about you, yet you're full of criticism of others. Carry on.
Those two things ain't the same thing. And once again: you're obsessing about ME. Whereas I was pointing out flaws in the website. © Bart Van Hemelen
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NICEWITHAV said: Last Night at the LA concert I had the pleasure of meeting Scott and his collegue and they explained some of the issues that we as fans were having thru the site.
THEY explained? I hope you were the one giving them an earful. NICEWITHAV said: Scott was very intersted in the issues and concerned about how people responded on this site about Prince.
And yet they don't even bother to set up an account here and talk directly to the fans. NICEWITHAV said: My husband and I spoke with them for quite sometime and I truly believe they are working very hard to fix everything.
They don't have the competency. Never have, never will. NICEWITHAV said: They didn't have to talk to me as long as they did, but they did and that has to account for something.
1) Those guys shouldn't be at the gig. They should be at home having sleepless nights, and contacting people who do have skills to help them salvage this mess. They don't deserve freebies or perks. 2) It's 2009, and LF ain't free. Until the day these guys admit they have no clue what they're doing and pay back the fans, they don't deserve an ounce of sympathy from anyone. It never ceases to amaze me how so many Prince fans will not confront those people who are ripping them off. I hear all these stories about Americans and how they don't put up with shit and enforce their customer rights -- and yet here I see fan after fan giving these guys the benefit of the doubt in the face of overwhelming evidence and eating up every bullshit excuse they come up with. © Bart Van Hemelen
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Vendetta1 said: stanleylieber said: it works off and on. sometimes they won't load at all. other times they work fine. Fo'real tho! "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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BartVanHemelen said: 1) Those guys shouldn't be at the gig. They should be at home having sleepless nights, and contacting people who do have skills to help them salvage this mess. They don't deserve freebies or perks.
Indeed. Combining the number and type of issues and the time until resolution of them you would conclude that Scott runs a (very) small shop. If that is assumed to be so: how can he be at the show? Why did it take a few days to respond (correctly, though) to my simple email? Shouldn't stuff like that be handled quicker? Same for the support telephone: mailbox full, no answer on the day of the launch. All that points to a small operation. Not that that is bad, but it makes you wonder when you put things into context. Of course we might be missing things, and Scott can explain, but the looks of it are what we currently have... Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry. | |
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BartVanHemelen said: BanishedBrian said: The site designers are being interviewed on Joe Kelley
Ain't it funny how those developers can only be arsed to talk to people who won't ask hard questions? When has Joe EVER asked anyone a hard question? Exactly the kind of bullcrap that someone with any knowledge would debunk. BanishedBrian said: You get a vibe of "accountability" from them, which I think is a good sign that the site will get better with time.
Then they can give back my money now, I'll pay for the site when it a) works and b) is secure and offering valuable content. My point is that the vibe I got was that they were trying to do a good job, but were frankly a bit over their heads. On the content side, they basically admitted to not really being particularly familiar with Prince's work, and that Prince was dictating it all. So in the end, I think you have to blame Prince for the fact that the club is predictably underwhelming. He's the one who just decided on a whim to hire these guys (based in part on a personal relationship) without really diligencing whether they were up to the task of EXECUTING a project like this. The fact that the developers have communicated with the org to give updates on their troubleshooting shows that they are making an effort, but you have to blame Prince for the choice of content and decision to hire a couple individuals to do something of a greater traffic magnitude than what they are used to dealing with. No Candy 4 Me | |
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BanishedBrian said: BartVanHemelen said: Then they can give back my money now, I'll pay for the site when it a) works and b) is secure and offering valuable content. My point is that the vibe I got was that they were trying to do a good job, but were frankly a bit over their heads. On the content side, they basically admitted to not really being particularly familiar with Prince's work, and that Prince was dictating it all. So in the end, I think you have to blame Prince for the fact that the club is predictably underwhelming. He's the one who just decided on a whim to hire these guys (based in part on a personal relationship) without really diligencing whether they were up to the task of EXECUTING a project like this. The fact that the developers have communicated with the org to give updates on their troubleshooting shows that they are making an effort, but you have to blame Prince for the choice of content and decision to hire a couple individuals to do something of a greater traffic magnitude than what they are used to dealing with. Well yes and no....Prince is no web designer and when speaking to Scott they should have put their hands up and said hey we've never done this before... If you good at your job you know what you can and can't do ....they are professional website designers right...? Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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NuPwr319 said: squirrelgrease said: I would recommend that you save the .flv file(s) to your HD to keep frustration at bay. Throw it away after viewing, if so inclined, to avoid any moral dilemmas. I tried that and they wouldn't play for some reason. I have the FLV player--but do I have to use that? If I uninstall the FLV player, do they just play in Windows Media Player? I'm not a member of the site, so I don't know why you would be having any issues downloading the .flv files using a third-party app. These free apps (that I won't name here) work very well on other sites for grabbing the Flash files for playback or conversion to audio. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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BartVanHemelen said: It never ceases to amaze me how so many Prince fans will not confront those people who are ripping them off. I hear all these stories about Americans and how they don't put up with shit and enforce their customer rights -- and yet here I see fan after fan giving these guys the benefit of the doubt in the face of overwhelming evidence and eating up every bullshit excuse they come up with. I think it's a case of the Emporer's new Clothes with some people - if Prince tells them the site will be made of the latest cutting edge technology and be filled with rare and previously unseen content, they enthusiastically agree, even when what they are given nothing of the sort... Formally known as Mr_Nos on Housequake
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Nosferatu said: BartVanHemelen said: It never ceases to amaze me how so many Prince fans will not confront those people who are ripping them off. I hear all these stories about Americans and how they don't put up with shit and enforce their customer rights -- and yet here I see fan after fan giving these guys the benefit of the doubt in the face of overwhelming evidence and eating up every bullshit excuse they come up with. I think it's a case of the Emporer's new Clothes with some people - if Prince tells them the site will be made of the latest cutting edge technology and be filled with rare and previously unseen content, they enthusiastically agree, even when what they are given nothing of the sort... dude are you calling prince a liar it's time for a new direction / it's time for jazz to die | |
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Anxiety said: CarrieMpls said: Nice to see them address the concerns.
I think it's funny they pass the message along here and don't say that on their very own site, though. well ya know, there are 3,000+ MFs on this site!!!!  How do we know how many people have subscribed? I cant wait to see some merchandise there...oooh it has been so long | |
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We don't know how many people joined. The 3000 number is for the Org.
I think you all are re-hashing the same arguments. It is only the fault of Prince because no matter what the people he hired had/have done, he should be giving final approval on everything (right?). If he doesn't know what needs to be done, hire somebody. Hire a third party firm to test the site and hire one to provide support. That's the job of a business man who doesn't want to disappoint or alienate his "customers", not a web developer. Also, we know what's there now, so why are we complaining about it over and over and over? It's been two weeks, fifty weeks to go. As has been said by almost everyone, the site was underwhelming at launch. Lets wait and see what content eventually gets added before we continue with the whine tasting.
Y'all act like Prince doesn't go online. Like he hasn't heard about or read our complaints for himself. And like he hasn't consistently come through for his fans when something goes bad in Princeland. Fifty more weeks. Chillax. [Edited 4/1/09 18:45pm] | |
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Cerebus said: We don't know how many people joined. The 3000 number is for the Org.
I think you all are re-hashing the same arguments. It is only the fault of Prince because no matter what the people he hired had/have done, he should be giving final approval on everything (right?). If he doesn't know what needs to be done, hire somebody. Hire a third party firm to test the site and hire one to provide support. That's the job of a business man who doesn't want to disappoint or alienate his "customers", not a web developer. Also, we know what's there now, so why are we complaining about it over and over and over? It's been two weeks, fifty weeks to go. As has been said by almost everyone, the site was underwhelming at launch. Lets wait and see what content eventually gets added before we continue with the whine tasting.
Y'all act like Prince doesn't go online. Like he hasn't heard about or read our complaints for himself. And like he hasn't consistently come through for his fans when something goes bad in Princeland. Fifty more weeks. Chillax. [Edited 4/1/09 18:45pm] WISDOM 
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DrThorazine said: Cerebus said: We don't know how many people joined. The 3000 number is for the Org.
I think you all are re-hashing the same arguments. It is only the fault of Prince because no matter what the people he hired had/have done, he should be giving final approval on everything (right?). If he doesn't know what needs to be done, hire somebody. Hire a third party firm to test the site and hire one to provide support. That's the job of a business man who doesn't want to disappoint or alienate his "customers", not a web developer. Also, we know what's there now, so why are we complaining about it over and over and over? It's been two weeks, fifty weeks to go. As has been said by almost everyone, the site was underwhelming at launch. Lets wait and see what content eventually gets added before we continue with the whine tasting.
Y'all act like Prince doesn't go online. Like he hasn't heard about or read our complaints for himself. And like he hasn't consistently come through for his fans when something goes bad in Princeland. Fifty more weeks. Chillax. [Edited 4/1/09 18:45pm] WISDOM
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Vendetta1 said: DrThorazine said: WISDOM
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BartVanHemelen said:[quote] BanishedBrian said: The site designers are being interviewed on Joe Kelley
Ain't it funny how those developers can only be arsed to talk to people who won't ask hard questions? When has Joe EVER asked anyone a hard question? Easy explanation to that. One of my first gigs in radio was engineering the syndicated feed of the Larry King show on the overnights at WNAB.
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JoeKelley said:[quote] BartVanHemelen said: BanishedBrian said: The site designers are being interviewed on Joe Kelley
Ain't it funny how those developers can only be arsed to talk to people who won't ask hard questions? When has Joe EVER asked anyone a hard question? Easy explanation to that. One of my first gigs in radio was engineering the syndicated feed of the Larry King show on the overnights at WNAB.
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