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The economy has delayed Lotusflow3r Retailers can't justify the risk of any deal with Prince to their investors. No one is going to give a huge amount of upfront money for the CD's. Any deal would have to be based on actual profits from the CD, and I'm sure Prince is hesitant to give up the exclusive right to sell his CD's without a huge lump sum payment. My understanding is that other such deals with artists have been disasters for retailers. I'm sure they are also hesitant because it will also be available online. This CD set is about 18 months too late given the economy. He is probably better off just selling it online. | |
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If this is true, we may never see these CDs pressed. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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Its coming. When? come on you guys ...this is Prince we eare dealing with and he has dealt alot in the past 25 years that surely you know his hand;)
If I'm getting this right...Prince realized that with the sale.. of Crytsal Ball, that he gains more in what many may see as failure..NOT! Meaning, no major advertising, etc. etc. No Grammy, No Radio Play... No the standard way of doing things, however when it comes down to it, he took home more compared to the one who "had" to be on every show, every radio, dropp 2 or 3 videos....etc. etc....however they did get a ...ahem a Grammy. There is one thing about his freedom..he can change his mind anytime he feels something isn't right and i truly don't think he does it for the money...that is easy, plus its bigger than that. Major Nelsom\n, showed me what type of man he was when he purchased the Park @ 24, whem most youngins' would have bought some bling bling and cars. As far as pressing the CD's ...if the deal ain't right, he'll press them. | |
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donnyenglish said: Retailers can't justify the risk of any deal with Prince to their investors. No one is going to give a huge amount of upfront money for the CD's. Any deal would have to be based on actual profits from the CD, and I'm sure Prince is hesitant to give up the exclusive right to sell his CD's without a huge lump sum payment. My understanding is that other such deals with artists have been disasters for retailers. I'm sure they are also hesitant because it will also be available online. This CD set is about 18 months too late given the economy. He is probably better off just selling it online.
I think you're probably right that the delay is related to protracted negotiations with the retailer, but I'm not sure that it's a matter of the economy more than it is just Prince being Prince and asking for all sorts of specific clauses in the deal. I'd bet the contract has bounced back and forth between lawyers on both sides and, although I'd hope its close to resolution (if it hasn't been already), I suspect that's why the albums weren't released in January like Prince suggested they would be initially. | |
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TwiliteKid said: donnyenglish said: Retailers can't justify the risk of any deal with Prince to their investors. No one is going to give a huge amount of upfront money for the CD's. Any deal would have to be based on actual profits from the CD, and I'm sure Prince is hesitant to give up the exclusive right to sell his CD's without a huge lump sum payment. My understanding is that other such deals with artists have been disasters for retailers. I'm sure they are also hesitant because it will also be available online. This CD set is about 18 months too late given the economy. He is probably better off just selling it online.
I think you're probably right that the delay is related to protracted negotiations with the retailer, but I'm not sure that it's a matter of the economy more than it is just Prince being Prince and asking for all sorts of specific clauses in the deal. I'd bet the contract has bounced back and forth between lawyers on both sides and, although I'd hope its close to resolution (if it hasn't been already), I suspect that's why the albums weren't released in January like Prince suggested they would be initially.  Both of you raise very interesting points.I'm not stopping. I haven't even taken my coat off
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donnyenglish said: Retailers can't justify the risk of any deal with Prince to their investors. No one is going to give a huge amount of upfront money for the CD's. Any deal would have to be based on actual profits from the CD, and I'm sure Prince is hesitant to give up the exclusive right to sell his CD's without a huge lump sum payment. My understanding is that other such deals with artists have been disasters for retailers. I'm sure they are also hesitant because it will also be available online. This CD set is about 18 months too late given the economy. He is probably better off just selling it online.
Things are getting worse even with the stimulus. GW Bush beat the country straight to hell. Obama has a lot of work to do. Throw in "Roadhouse Garden" or a live 84-87 era recording and Wal-Mart would move on a deal, anything that will move off from shelves quickly in this economy. I doubt Best Buy will do any exclusive after the killing they are taking after buying 3 million copies of Chinese Democracy?? Please just don't go it alone NPG or lotus people - if anything go with an established small record company. The NPG sucks at packaging and shipping out Crystal Balls and the Music Today people were not that much better. I mean they ram sacked the 3121 cds in search of purple tickets and would frequently send merch that was not properly packed and would get beat to shreds! | |
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MrsGoodnight said: TwiliteKid said: I think you're probably right that the delay is related to protracted negotiations with the retailer, but I'm not sure that it's a matter of the economy more than it is just Prince being Prince and asking for all sorts of specific clauses in the deal. I'd bet the contract has bounced back and forth between lawyers on both sides and, although I'd hope its close to resolution (if it hasn't been already), I suspect that's why the albums weren't released in January like Prince suggested they would be initially. Both of you raise very interesting points.Yes ..good points ..i think he may cut out the middleman produce a number CD's and send them direct to say someone like Amazon...that's my guess  and have his website linked to their stock system.. Da, Da, Da....Emancipation....Free..don't think I ain't..! London 21 Nights...Clap your hands...you know the rest..
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donnyenglish said: Retailers can't justify the risk of any deal with Prince to their investors. No one is going to give a huge amount of upfront money for the CD's. Any deal would have to be based on actual profits from the CD, and I'm sure Prince is hesitant to give up the exclusive right to sell his CD's without a huge lump sum payment. My understanding is that other such deals with artists have been disasters for retailers. I'm sure they are also hesitant because it will also be available online. This CD set is about 18 months too late given the economy. He is probably better off just selling it online.
I think the economy is great. I don't listen to what the news tells me. Anyway, I'm not going to any store to buy any album. I don't buy CDs anymore. "Don't you think one of the charms of marriage is that it makes deception a necessity for both parties?" | |
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realm said: donnyenglish said: Retailers can't justify the risk of any deal with Prince to their investors. No one is going to give a huge amount of upfront money for the CD's. Any deal would have to be based on actual profits from the CD, and I'm sure Prince is hesitant to give up the exclusive right to sell his CD's without a huge lump sum payment. My understanding is that other such deals with artists have been disasters for retailers. I'm sure they are also hesitant because it will also be available online. This CD set is about 18 months too late given the economy. He is probably better off just selling it online.
Things are getting worse even with the stimulus. GW Bush beat the country straight to hell. Obama has a lot of work to do. Throw in "Roadhouse Garden" or a live 84-87 era recording and Wal-Mart would move on a deal, anything that will move off from shelves quickly in this economy. I doubt Best Buy will do any exclusive after the killing they are taking after buying 3 million copies of Chinese Democracy?? Please just don't go it alone NPG or lotus people - if anything go with an established small record company. The NPG sucks at packaging and shipping out Crystal Balls and the Music Today people were not that much better. I mean they ram sacked the 3121 cds in search of purple tickets and would frequently send merch that was not properly packed and would get beat to shreds! Come on man... Obama is no savior. He's a politician. They're all the same. "Don't you think one of the charms of marriage is that it makes deception a necessity for both parties?" | |
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lspear76 said: donnyenglish said: Retailers can't justify the risk of any deal with Prince to their investors. No one is going to give a huge amount of upfront money for the CD's. Any deal would have to be based on actual profits from the CD, and I'm sure Prince is hesitant to give up the exclusive right to sell his CD's without a huge lump sum payment. My understanding is that other such deals with artists have been disasters for retailers. I'm sure they are also hesitant because it will also be available online. This CD set is about 18 months too late given the economy. He is probably better off just selling it online.
I think the economy is great. I don't listen to what the news tells me. Anyway, I'm not going to any store to buy any album. I don't buy CDs anymore. You think the economy is great? Wow! I Hope that is a joke. No one said Obama was a savior, just that he has a lot of work to do, as would any elected president following GWbush. No matter how the cd is released it won't be a big deal except to the true fans(unless of course there's some amazing shit on there). He may try to make headlines @ 1st like he is now with small parties & what not but in the end it's about the music... I could give a shit about how it's released. | |
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nosajd said: lspear76 said: I think the economy is great. I don't listen to what the news tells me. Anyway, I'm not going to any store to buy any album. I don't buy CDs anymore. You think the economy is great? Wow! I Hope that is a joke. No one said Obama was a savior, just that he has a lot of work to do, as would any elected president following GWbush. No matter how the cd is released it won't be a big deal except to the true fans(unless of course there's some amazing shit on there). He may try to make headlines @ 1st like he is now with small parties & what not but in the end it's about the music... I could give a shit about how it's released. I understand how you feel the economy isn't great, however...The root meaning of the word economy is how one runs its house, in this case how one runs its nation. Bush did help...no doubt, but this nation has been heading to this point since 1776:) it just finally caught up with them. Hell this nation hasn't had "real" money in God knows how long. The economy is getting downsized. No bailout ..no stimulus package will help this time, the Federal Reserve will learn to respect the Law of supply and demand | |
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