I hope all of the whiners don't join the club next year. becuz I am sick of hearing all of their shit! also way to go dolphinfriendlystarfish! for schooling these punx! I wish more people would listen 2 U!

geminito said:

Who are you to tell us what to do? If you think that you have the right to dance around like a little fairy princess because you're just so happy with your CDs that will be bought in stores, we have just as much right to be upset that promises made were not delivered. You can shove that contract up your ass. along with whatever you suspect. That contract has been changed more often than a newborn baby's diaper. The tour program was damn close to being official - otherwise, why would they pull it when they decided to screw us over? And that was not the only place those titles were mentioned. And what exactly gives you the authority to determine what's "official" or not? It named 4 specific titles, which were talked about here & expected for months - clearly used by the club to entice members into joining. When they don't deliver, that is indeed false advertising. It's no different than Prince announcing a show in Chicago, having everyone pay their money, and then deciding to play in Detroit.

And there is no such word as fam.

mediadarling said:

I am afraid you have contradicted yourself by trying to sound intelligent and well-thought-out when that is clearly not the case. We were promised four SPECIFIC CDs, only one of which, was delivered. None of what you highlighted above was exclusive (that word begins with an "e," thank you) or was of much benefit to members.

You do not deal in logic. You deal in rationalization & dismissal of false advertising and wrongdoings by the NPGMC as the mercurial nature of a pop star. That is crap. Not logic.[/quote]





I have no idea who took the jam out of your doughnut, but don't insult me with quotes such as "trying to sound intelligent and well thought out when this is clearly not the case"

Why don't U do a ittle research before U post??

Firstly... The One Nite Alone CD IS exclusive. True that we had 5 tracks last year, but this CD is still exclusive to members of the NPGMC. I'm not saying that I like it, but from a legal point of view, NPGMC has fulfilled the criteria of making this an exclusive CD. Where else can U get this CD without becoming a member? (And don't try saying ebay, or gettin a friend's extra copy.)


U say I do not deal in logic? Well by your own statement, "half the tracks on this CD were given to members last year" surely this means that the other half is exlcusive? Is tha logical enough 4 U, my dear?



Secondly the point that I made about the exclusive retail merchandise to members is valid. Not ALL items on the members only section were sold on the tour. U need 2 research this point before coming in with half thought out ideas and opinions.
Surely this means that the items that were not available on the tour and were only available via the NPGMC members retail section were actually exlusive items?



Thirdly the exclusive Live events... It was only the NPGMC members plus guest that were able 2 access the soundchecks and aftershows. If people managed 2 get in who were not members, this was out of the hands of the NPGMC, and in the hands of the people working at the venues 4 these events. And U then go on 2 say that any non-members of the NPGMC who aren't guests of the members can be 4 rows back? Absolute rubbish. Again I suggest U research and find out that the front FIFTEEN rows were available 4 MEMBERS ONLY, thus making it an EXCLUSIVE area.



U even have a gripe with my statement about NPGMC members being able 2 book tickets 2 days before. I'm not even going 2 go in2 this one, all I will say is that THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT!




U then go on to say this...


"I am afraid you have contradicted yourself by trying to sound intelligent and well-thought-out when that is clearly not the case. We were promised four SPECIFIC CDs, only one of which, was delivered. None of what you highlighted above was exclusive (that word begins with an "e," thank you) or was of much benefit to members."


Tell me how it is contradictory 2 "try and sound intelligent?" In what way is this a contradiction, or were U merely just trying 2 use big words that U weren't fully aware of the meaning of? If the case is the later, then I forgive U. I was at that stage once as well. When I was 5 years old.

U then go on 2 attack the way that "exclusive" is spelt as "xclusive"
Well my dear... I was QUOTING the official statement from he NPGMC website. If U have a problem with funny spelling then I question why U are a Prince fan, cuz we all know about his quirky spelling habits! Why don't run along 2 your New Kids on The Block reunion concert and mingle with likeminded people??




I'm not on here 2 defend the NPGMC, because if U check some of my past posts, U will see that I give them a real grilling. The purpose of my post was 2 look at the legal implecations of what we were contractually obliged 2 recieve from he NPGMC. I offered no opinions of my own as 2 whether I thought that they were wonderful ideas or terrible ideas. I was merely stating facts.

Don't come on this website again with a personal attack on me without


1) Getting your facts right

2) Properly reding the posts that U are responding 2, and not automatically going on the defensive or negative because U are disgruntled with the NPGMC.

I am not Prince. If U have a gripe with him or his Club, be proactive and emale them about it, don't start bitching at strangers with an unprovoked attack.

alexnvrmnd said:

That's a fair (and good!) point!!!

I'm a member since the beginning and I was very excited at first with this club.

It's time 2 look back and be objective :

100 $ fee entrance ? why not. But 4 what ? 4 cds, we would have bought anyway.(probably 4 less. Also considering half the ona piano was available through the same club the previous paid year...)

Soundchecks access ? Defintively the good part. Money well spent. I was in Antwerp, we had 2 hours soundcheck !

Aftershow acess ? The bad point : only 4 aftershows in the last europeean tour. 2 of them were extra-charged 100 bucks and acessible 4 the same price 4 non members. I was in Paris and we were treated like s*it by the staff. After all, a very good show but I won't forget the extra cost and the treatment. (and honestly, listening 2 the Vega and the Nightown aftershows can U really tell me why this price difference ?)

and what else ? 4 the moment only 1 cd received and a nice statement about how incredible next year will be.

I have a bad after taste over this past year. I'm sad also because in a musical point of view, it was a fabulous year.

As I said before, I feel more like a customer now than a part of club or a new power generation or whatever. Over all, I think this club thing is principally based on old die hard fans with good financial incoming who gathers once a year in Paisley Park.

I'm a fan since I was 12. If I was 12 today, I won't probably afford 2 be a Prince fan.

So, what shall we do ?... I'll probably wait (Oops I forget ! I'm already waiting my box set).

I love him but I don't trust him anymore.

and let me add more...

Discount 4 the shows ? NO
Kind gesture towards the member ? NO (an additional ONA piano, well pfff...)
Interactivity ? NO (My card Number goes through his site, not my emails)

See U next year.

I can't imagine allowing an artist to emotionally blackmail me into believing that it is OK to make promises they won't keep. Saying something like "...if we aren't careful, he might not produce any more music for us.." is absurd. It's more than absurd - it's dangerous. Anyone who believes this clearly suffers from a very poor self image.

Where did the part Deux of this thread go???
[This message was edited Tue Dec 3 18:37:15 PST 2002 by JimmyNothing]

I was just asking the same thing. They better not have deleted it. It was proving quite a good thread with plenty of thought provoking posts...
Even though the two threads were similar that is not a valid reason for deleting the thread. The second one was much better focused in my opinion

mediadarling said:

Oh, I'll dance! I'LL DANCE!!! I've got a wand and everything, marshmallow face!




Oh, I'll shove! I'LL SHOVE, MARSHMALLOW FACE!! All suspects beware!!



A newborn baby's diaper doesn't need to be changed, it was JUST BORN!! hahaha! That proves how wrong you are!



I'm a little fairy princess with something crammed up her bottom, so that gives me a lot more authority than a little girl with marshmallows in her mouth who doesn't do her homework! (fairy princesses know these things!)



Clearly used to club enticing members into joining, you say? Fairies are too fast for clubs!



Proper sentences shouldn't begin with "and".

(Should I have put the period inside the quotes, or outside? Probably inside. Damn!)

Ok, so I've now sunken to the average intelligence of the whiners. GAWD, IT'S SO MUCH MORE FUN!!! THERE'S NO TURNING BACK NOW!

Yeah I was getting in2 it! It was getting lively! Maybe someone complained about personal attacks because it was getting kind of personal?? Maybe they could edit out the personal stuff and repost the points cuz it was a good debate, whichever stance U take.

Buttox said:

I personally would have to agree... ahem. I was enjoying the part deux discussion, actually. Both sides were being quite reasonable.

Sorry if I get this thread shut down. I just don't feel that I should have to be mature in this thread if others are allowed to tell me where I should shove things.

Do we start a new thread requesting that the old posts without personal attacks be put back in?

I hope it wasn't laziness on their part because I totally agree with you J.N. there was really some good stuff there that did not have personal attacks.

geminito said:

Don't be geminito! I had that mediadarling person trying 2 give me grief as well in an inarticulate manner. She was also calling everyone else a simpleton and acting like she thought she was some kind of superior being instead of respectfully debating points without getting all personal!

I personally blame her 4 this.

Hmmm
OK... I am gonna boycott the club next year... What I am gonna do is visit .org for free a few times a week and see what members are getting.
As for some of the comments in this thread... I'm am not gonna debate them cuz it's just sooo obvious which people are the blinded-prince-a-holic fans who think anything from him is value for money including chaos and disorder and girl 6.

Such a shame ... NPMC could have been so good...
BTW my one suggestion for next year...
NPMC keeps its commentaries to itself... The last 2 were slightly embarrasing.

I think I am going to join the Teletubby members club next year. Reason being?

You get more intelligent arguments from 3 year olds. Gotta keep myself stimulated, ya know.
.
.

Somewhere above, cant be assed to quote MediaDarling said something about cd's not being $75 which is the actual breakdown. No offense to the US but some of you dont think there is a world outside of. It retails here at £49.99. Do you know how much that is in Dollarinos. More then then breakdown if you concider the cd's as being all you are paying for with the membership. Is the membership fee only for cd's? If not the breakdown is less the $25 per cd. Either way to buy over here is more then to be a member. So my point on that still stands. I dont know what is going for in the US but the US doesnt make up all of the market.
.

MediaDarling said

We were, it was a raised stage.

Aswell as

HEhehe yeah in a thread titled Boycott Club Next Year! Ok you didnt start it but your fighting the corner.

Yep TTMC watch out here I come. I wanna meet Lala most of all. Hope they do a soundcheck. I dont think they will do an aftershow party though cos it may be past their bedtime.
.
.
[This message was edited Fri Dec 13 11:57:27 PST 2002 by DolphinFriendlyStarfish]
[This message was edited Fri Dec 13 12:05:39 PST 2002 by DolphinFriendlyStarfish]

Buttox said:

Buttox,

much of what you wrote has already been done over the past couple weeks.

an estimate of people on here unhappy with the club seems pretty significant. the estimate of people who intend to join but want to wait it out a while first is also pretty large. both of these people not joining, or not joining right away will speak volumes to npgmc, and calm fams on here who are tired of reading complaints.

hmm...this is the estimate I got from this thread
http://www.prince.org/msg...msg_390555

53 yes
9 no
6 not sure

Is all that good though. What if it brings about the close of the club. Not because their retaliation is well lets see how you like this but because instead of loads of people getting together and in a "Lets talk in the corner a minute" fashion, they have been bombarded with things of a "Highest measure cos your a conman mofo" type.

I know people are going to say but we emailed and got no reply but seriously if you think about the extremity of how it looks, which is y'all are out for blood, It's not hard for them to imagine calling it day. Would that be good?

I have my opionion as others have theirs. Whatever I have said I am not trying to take away your unhappiness, though I would like to make you happy, what I mean is I am not saying you dont deserve to feel a grievance. If you do then you do, nothing I or anyone else can say is going to change that at this time. However we all like the music right? Do you really want to be part of a panel which is trying to cut of Princes testies or would you rather get together and said "Oi Prince, fair doos mate. You are a geezer and we dig the funk but your being a little naughty so what say we chill over a proverbial coffee and put our thoughts forward on the level."

Yeah yeah I know you emailed but joint in a way that is not threatening. If you really think Prince is sitting back rubbing his hands together Mr Burns style and saying "haha fools look at them being taken in by my clever plan" then it is time you moved on perhaps. I dont think you all think that. I think most of you think that perhaps things are just run pookaky. If that is the case go about things in a different way.

Shorty said:

Thats 68 people out of how many orgers?

out of about 3000 seats at the cleveland show there were 30 members at the sound check.

Tom said:

Tom, you just said "an estimate" and provided no info. I provided the only info available. It may not be a large poll but it's still 53 to 9. it's a good representative I think.

Shorty said:

You dont think you can find 53 people on these threads that have stated they arent joining again?

Tom said:

No, I don't. Prove me wrong.

Buttox said:

***

YAWN!

Nice try.

Now, lets bring on the next whiner ...

Haystack said:

GET A LIFE! I'M TIRED OF READING ALL THE COMPLAINTS ABOUT BEING OVER CHARGED FOR ONA LIVE AND ONA PIANO.FIRST OF ALL THE $100 WE PAID THE NPGMC WAS FOR PERKS, NOT THE PRICE OF THE BOX SET AND PIANO CD. I KEEP READING THE SAME OLE LINE RETAIL CUSTOMERS ARE GETTING THEIR BOX SET FOR LESS THEN CLUB MEMBERS. HELLO ,WE GOT THE BOX SET FOR FREE.AS A MEMBER I AM VERY SATISFIED AND DO UNDERSTAND THAT SOME THINGS DON'T ALWAYS WORK OUT AS PLANNED. THAT'S LIFE. FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT HAPPY ,PLAIN AND SIMPLE (DON'T JOIN THE CLUB IN 2003) AS FOE ME I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHAT'S IN STORE FOR 2003. NPG4VR .

npg4vr said:

Blah blah blah. As a matter of fact, it is called the NPG Music Club. Not the NPG Perk Club. And VIRTUALLY EVERY SINGLE "PERK" you got cost you even more money. I've gone to four different concerts this year that have had presale logins for club members. NPGMC was the only one who charged for this.

Every
year
more
and
more
fans
boycott
the
Prince

your
famatics
would
follow
your
accountant
off
a
cliff

What kills me is in NPGMC Year2 members got 4 cds for $100 & are screaming mad. Yet in NPGMC Year1 members got one cd & hardly complained that they paid $100 for one cd. Oh but we got all those downloads. Just as after party passes are intangibles so are the downloads from year 1. Comparing actual physical goods delivered then Year 2 beats Year 1 by 4 times.

thedoorkeeper said:

you're
posts
are
what
kills
me

Physical
Goods?!?!

Year
1
was
AWESOME
MUSIC
GREAT
CONTENT