I print out EVERYTHING I order. And I am sure most do also. The agreement and the TERMs OF RULEs I also printed out.

Just b patient

come on, people: deal. please, the complaints are getting truly annoying. no one's forcing you to join npgmc, and prince doesn't owe us anything. we want him to be free, let's give him what he deserves. bad enough dealing with warner bros., let's not make it like 2 million little record labels out there all tryin to dictate the man's art.
peace

starbuck said:

Thank you Starbuck ...Patients I have...TIME? I have plenty of and as long as there is time there is patience. I dont think NPGMC or MEMBERs are going anywhere. But it is getting pretty well close to DUE DATE! Untill then... ..and

fms said:

Deal what? do you mean this one...The agreement? ..COMPLAINTS? These are not complaints these are comments and concerns from people who joined a membership club. You are %100 correct "nobody forced us to join", we joined to support Prince and NPG out of our own good will. You know like if you were to join a gym club membership and they tell you the hours and dates you can attend and then it is closed when you get there because they have some special organization using the gym or like when you order a years issue to a magazine and they only send you 3 and you never see another? "WE want him to be free" WE OR YOU? I dont care what he is, to me PRINCE is a musician a performer, this is his job...he is a person a human being just like the rest of us and we all make mistakes and we all sin and some of us correct our mistakes and then there are some people, others I wish not to compare him too who also lie and mislead others. I do not wish to think of him or NPGMC in this way. COMMUNICATION!!! We need some answers. Prince and NPGMC is a club and wherever he is or where he is going is in his control ONLY. He owes his members what he promised and NOTHING MORE! "Lets not make it like a 2 million little record labels out there all tryin to dictate the man's art" you say ? Prince is dictateing religion "THE WORD" and what is right and wrong and good and bad...Prince as a musician started his career dictating other great artist...

BorisFishpaw said:

Obviously, we'd all be happier with the most generous interpretation of the NPGMC 2002 agreement regarding new CD's for members. Unfortunately, a much more limited interpretation seems likely.

I have belonged to mail-order CD clubs (like Columbia House) in the past, and make no mistake - an order for an album that consists of 2 discs counts as TWO SEPARATE discs for the membership agreement. There is ample precendent for this method of counting CD's. So using existing agreements used by other music clubs, it seems that a 3 disc release from Prince will satisfy the remaining NPGMC obligation to members. Sure we'd all like more, but our contract may not entitle us to more.

Lastly, I'll say once again, that I am very satisfied with the value I received from the Club this year, and I'll be ecstatic when the ONA Live set arrives. Honestly, I can't put a $$ value on the experience I had, up close, at the ONA Kodak Theatre performance on April 19th. One thing seems obvious, it was worth far more than $100! And as a member, I will have had access to EVERY concert this year, including the Europe and Japan shows. That has never been so easily available to any of us before.

Some of the biggest complainers are those who are struggling financially. Some complain that they don't have access to a credit card (ouch!). Others are out of work or are simply overextended in other ways. To those less fortunate I say, I feel for you, but this may not be the year when you get to spend extravagantly on entertainment. It bothers me that so many want to blame Prince for their financial hardship.

Threaten to sue if you must. It seems that Prince has done his share of suing those who adore him as well. But remember what happens when Prince feels forced to deliver music - it's called "Chaos and Disorder"!
[This message was edited Sun Oct 6 12:17:04 PDT 2002 by TheMax]

RESPONSE TO, THE MAX***___WRONG!...READ THE AGREEMENT...says "4 brand new Prince CD's". Each club membership has there own agreements and rules and the agreement from NPGMC clearly states EVERYTHING...and no word of a "CD set" Or anything referring to a set. IT SAYs. "4 BRAND NEW CD's. If you are promised 3 pair of NEW shoes do you expect 6 unmatched shoes? NO, I dont think so...Especially AFTER you paid for them...This has NOTHING TO DO WITH MONEY...this has to do with fullfilling an agreement or change it! Promises!...I do not want ONE PENNY from Prince/NPGMC or anybody else and I am sure there are more who would agree. I just want justice and what I was lead to believe when I joined membership. "I" dont NEED his money...I know how to make my own. This is not just about me or him or her this is about the CLUB MEMBERS period! Just because 1 satisfied members vs 5 unsatisfied members does not make it right...This is wrong..SURE in any business or corp. things happen...running late, equipment down...something...but we are talking, CD's, no communication and promises. IMHO dont send me my 4 CD's by February but TALK TO US...Tell us whats up! Dont make us out to feel as if we were taken...

TheMax said:

well, from what I remember it was he who offered himself to deliver the 4 CD's. So it is hard to say that he was forced. If anything, he forced himself. We are not to be blamed.

What A funkin Crock Of #$%#! You mean to tell me all i got for $100 was ONA (dinner music), & a 3 cd set availiable to the public that will retail for around $30 dollars? Prince can go Blow me, what a scam. I'm going to go kick my prince cd's in the spine..

Farfunknugin said:

I just could not resist responding to this but...ROLMAO!!! ...@ kicking CD's in the spine.

100$ for only 4 promised "not so exclusive surprise" CDs? that you have to wait a year for ?? Thats simply insane.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Couldn't agree more, Organ...

Well, not about the Sdldawn comment..heh...but with the rest...

wellbeyond said:

Wellbeyond

Stompin` at the Savoy - Rufus and Chaka Khan

Live in New Orleans - Maze

Commodores Live - Commodores

Natural High - Stevie Wonder

Are all in my top 20 favourite albums of all time.


Frankly to have a proper live album of my favourite artist would make me sign up fot the next 20 years .

Don`t worry , he will deliver.

well, i agree with organ as well...and i ALSO concur that SDLDAWN is a baby-doll
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And an answer that is total bullshit if in fact the live set constitutes the last 3 discs of this year's membership. This fucking better not be the way it ends up happening. I too was looking forward to the other discs, especially Xenophobia. Is there a basis for the fans to sue Prince if in fact he offers the live set as the last 3 cds? Especially since it will be offered to the public as well, thus negating the whole point of joining the club.

I still think SDLDAWN is hot as hell!
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Couldn't agree more, Organ...

Well, not about the Sdldawn comment..heh...but with the rest...

theblueangel said:

Sure there is! And the answer is called CLASS ACTION LAW SUIT! But this is NOT the way we hope it will turn out. Still have time and patience and hope. We joined membership to support Prince/NPGMC. Lets hope they come through for us. 1. Either we get our membership fee back or 2. Fess up and give um up...break that Vault open extend membership. 3. Change the agreement. Many many more, I am sure an attorney can come up with as well as the BBB or the Justice Dept. BREECH OF AGREEMENT!

All hail to the hypno-toad!!

This (edited) written in the org this week said it best I think..

The NPGMC has your money. They have offered a service for your money. The website offers things, but promises ONLY the CD 4 set. However, they advertise that you get things like front row seating, conversations with Prince, aftershows, afterparties, exclusive merchandise, and they even advertise that you get exclusive content.

What is NOT said is that in order to have access to the items advertised, you have to pay MORE money. BUT $150 a ticket for a concert? Also, almost ALL of the merchandise available in the members area can be bought at a concert, even the guitars! Not so exclusive...

Now the exclusive content. Last year, we had ONA and Rainbow Children as downloads. ONA was re-sold _THIS_ year and TRC was offered retail not long after it became a download. This year, we have the aforementioned and aforesold ONA CD, and a promise of a new 3CD set that will be shortly sold in retail stores.

Let's talk a second about the value of what we ARE getting this year. Only what was PROMISED. 4 CDs. Possibly 5 CDs. ONA is truly a fan album. This album would tank so bad in the public market. This is fine. The problem is that this album cost me $25 dollars this year, PLUS another $9 from last year as we paid for it LAST year (counting the last month of the downloads null as most of us had to buy the TRC CD in the stores in order to have a full copy in good quality sound). That's $34 for ONE CD. And the 3 CD set? $75 DOLLARS. I will guarantee that the 3 CD set will not cost $75 at K-Mart.

Finally, there were a lot of people who signed up for the club this year. That's a lot of exclusive tickets, eh? Well, remember the much vaunted Xenophobia Celebration? Do you remember that there were TONS of people who did not get a chance to purchase tickets to that Celebrtation? And the tour: remember in the beginning when people were getting seats 25 rows back when people off the street were getting row 7?

So...

DO NOT tout the CDs as 1) they are crazy overpriced, and 2) have not yet been delivered.

DO NOT tout the "perks" of the membership as 1) The content is not exclusive, 2) The ticket prices are WAY overpriced, 4) the concert perks are null as you are actually paying MAD LOOT for the tickets, 5) you can include the price of the soundcheck/afterparty/show into the ticket prices, AND lets not forget the fact that ANY NON-MEMBER can get access to these things (yes, even the soundchecks) and probably have better seats than you.

DO NOT tout your personal experiences with Prince as you are in the 1 - 5 percent of the club that actually got to be able to do this.

Well, actually, you can do what you want. Just please remember this post when you think about what you got this year. There are things that did go right this year: a jour in Europe/Japan, the OUTSTANDING concerts, etc. But there are so many things that have gone FUBAR to say that this has been a success for the average Prince fan.

The only way this can improve is with constructive criticism of the club by ALL members. Working with the club to have explicit detail in what is guaranteed with the club, and discussion on ideas on how to aid in techlogical matters and logistical busniess matters. To say everything is great with the club is a disrespect to at least 80 percent of the club members who have had problems.

2001BC said:

You think that is INSANE...The person who promised 4 BRAND NEW CD's and an American and European tour plus " A SPECIAL NPG CHATROOM FROM TIME 2 TIME THAT PRINCE AND NPG WILL HAVE OPEN FOR THE YEAR 2002" sounds more INSANE than those or us who really believed he was that motivated.

OCEANA said:

Naah..class action isn't needed here.

The BBB will get things rolling in respect to some of the issues that are pending prior to the end of the agreement. And yes for all you who have never used them, they do great things for the consumer in MN. Last year they quickly assisted us with some problems that we were having when they weren't doing enough to troubleshoot a few of the technical problems with the downloads. Sure enough we sent them the history of emails to support and !! A week after they looked into the problem.. NPGMC finally fixed the problem. Hey if you're paying $100 for no more than 4 CDs,, then thats quite an expensive service.

If the worst case scenario does happen
(and it is still only an 'if' at the moment)
It means I will have paid $100 for only
4 exclusive songs (13 minutes of music)!
[This message was edited Sun Oct 6 16:18:37 PDT 2002 by BorisFishpaw]

he will not let us down,
there will b something special in our stockings this xmas!!

eroica29 said:

fool me once, shame on you...

fool me twice...



well, i'm not a member anyway. i think this whole thing is hilarious. that people would actually trust this club after 8 consecutive years of being jerked around by the same people

JEHOVAH and PRINCE are damn thieves!

theblueangel said:[quote]well, i agree with organ as well...and i ALSO concur that SDLDAWN is a baby-doll
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SupaFunkyOrgan
grinderSexy said: I still think SDLDAWN is hot as hell!
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aww thanks, yall are very kind:)

Hummm, if I can remember correctly at exactly 7:09(ET)this thread had 4 stars and 1891 viewers and was rated a 3 with 4 stars.. Now 30 minutes at 7:37am (ET) it is rated a 2 with 2 stars and 100 some extra viewers which now made it at 2009 viewers. IN 30 MINUTES? WOW!!! ...Ratings will not help or hurt this thread.
[This message was edited Mon Oct 7 5:07:49 PDT 2002 by OCEANA]

OCEANA said:

On how silly of me not to mention, of those EXTRA viewers in 30 minutes...NOT ONE REPLY!!!

LOL.. Oceana> yeah you're right. Well now we know what the NPGMC staff does during break hours...

(But did u see it happened 2 ALL the ratings of heated NPGMC critic threads. ??? )

... or is it working hours?

well it is October & don't we have til February 4 our Memberships? i'm gowin' ImPatient 4 my CDs but we have no choice but 2 wait & a Live CD Set from P would b a Cool Notion.

i don't AGREE that it's like a Greates Hit CD. u'd hear Variations of songs not like on a CD. better or longer Solos in the songs perhaps different lyrics.

but i'm Lookin' 4ward 2 my next 3CDs or how many P & The NPGMC gives us. i'm just slightly SAD about not being able 2 make One Nite Alone when P came 2 Florida

but more CDs will make up 4 that

Savannah said:

Well who ever it was has one hell of a high speed computer. I mean over 100 viewers in 30 minutes. Either that or there were many...if there were many how can over 100 viewer read and not respond in 30 minutes...Damn I was gone..left at 9am and just returned at 1pm (ET) and in that 4 hours gone this thread had 100 more viewers..NOW THAT I CAN BELIEVE.. and a couple responses. ......But as I said the ratings dont hurt or help... But to whoever did it... !

...I notice EVERYTHING....dont try and pull a fast one over me .. Dont forget we are watching ...No computer here...and a for you.. Who ever did it!......