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its ashame if this is the truth prince has givin us the gift of his music since 1978
ive been a fan for 2 decades people really dont get the fact that he creates his music to share with us and he doesnt have to.these people trying to shut him down are just jealous people who dont have the gift to create so they use thier energy to copycat and destroy like real losers.its amazing how we watch death and destruction all day on tv desensitizing ourselves to the true fact that we are fragile delicate creatures.who want and need to love and be loved and to create . if u ask me the 6 ocklock news should be rated xxx. not a porno. we are so backwards in our thinking.he is a creative talented being n a world of destructive losers.wonder if the people trying to shut him down can even be calm for 1 hr. to write and create a song our even know musical scales. probably not but they will spend all day and night trying to figure out how to hurt somebody who does.losers.im surprised prince even still tours and gives his music to us anymore god knows most dont deserve it. i love prince keep being the man hate is at an all time high.

tymechaser said:

What about "RICH" Prince don't you understand? .. if he had wanted, he could have changed the name, yada yada yada... he DIDN'T have to shut that site down...

tymechaser said:

last I checked, Prince never gave me a gift of his music or shared it with me...he sold it to me. there is a difference. I never had to pay for a gift from someone or pay to have them share anything with me.

so Prince's motives aren't selfless, they are selfish...to get my money, an dto do that he has to make music, so even your last statement, that he doesn't have to, is incorrect...unless you just send him a check every month for the heck of it.
[Edited 7/10/06 14:31pm]

music and merchandise dont mix






do urself a massive favour Prince and listen for a change

dumbass said:

Can you explain how Prince is selfish in your context. So what you are saying that he should never charge. Just go around the world singing for free without collecting any money? Don't all musicians who create music for a living sell?

You guys are making my head spin!!!

wonder505 said:

no.

only the musicians who are stuck in the old way of doing things do that

the new way of doing things is to give people the option of whether or not they want to pay

we give our music away as free downloads on the net

and supply a hard copy CD as an option if thats what people want



in the 'new world'

we dont force people to pay money to receive a birthright

good music.

sacredwarrior said:

That's nice that you do that, but people also have a right to earn a living and run businesses, which cost money.

wonder505 said:

he is selfish because he is more concerned with is own self-interest of making a profit than giving away his music for free. nobody is saying he should give away his music for free, and I don't know how you could intimate such a point. the point is that Prince isn't this selfless being who is giving us his music and thus we should be honored, as the post I was responding to essentially stated.

you would probably have an easier time understanding this if you didn't equate selfish as being negative. we are all selfish in many aspects that are simply matters of neccesity, like making a living and surviving.

considering Prince's current wealth, he probably could perform for free or for a lot less money and it wouldn't affect his ability to survive at all, but has chosen that liviing luxuriously is more important to him than the financial situation of his fans. that is, in essence, being selfish. this is, of course, his right to do, and there isn't anything wrong with that. I would do the same thing, because music is his business. but it is his business, not his "gift" that he is "sharing" with us out of the generosity of his heart, as is the position taken by the delusional fam I quoted above. he may be a musician first and foremost for his love of music, but he is a professional musician first and foremost to make money.

you are simply too defensive of the word selfish.

sacredwarrior said:

why don't you do yourself a massive favour and stop all that psychobabblin' bullshit. For all the shit talking your doing, it doesn't make you any more like Prince. Go tinkle at your keyboard and try to come up with some songs that don't sound just alike.

dumbass said:

you might be right there...


he and the npgmc folks were made aware of that option countless times over at least the last 3 years but refused to embrace the concept


he's been 'conditioned by the system' so-to-speak so its not altogether surprising that he doesnt recognise the value of certain relatively new ideas, that and the fact that it must be hard to see anything at all when ur busy lookin in the mirror all god damn fucking day lol


mayb on the new site
www.upmyself.com
they'll get hip
and do free downloads with hard copies as an option


then in a few years time he'll get another webby award for coming up with such a brilliant idea!

dumbass said:

Oh okay, I understand now, and agree somewhat with everything you say. I'm also happy that you understand that it is a personal choice for which everyone has a right to. I should point out however, that I don't think the person as well as myself refer to "gift" in the literal sense. Ofcourse its not free and we pay for it. However to me, although I pay for the product, the experience I receive from the product, be it a song, cd or live show, is why I appreciate Prince very much. It's been nothing but very positive and inspiring for me. You can disagree with that, but hopeful you can respect that we all appreciate things differently.

wonder505 said:

cool. we are definitely on the same page as far as enjoying and appreciating Prince's music and being glad to have it.

though, that is different from the position tymechaser took that Prince was generously bestowing us with his music out of the kindness of his heart and we should be appreciative of his actions, not his music. that simply isn't so. it is obvious Prince "shares" his music to make money, not simply for the joy of the music or to share it with us. Prince isn't some kind being tymechaser is presenting, instead he is nothing more than a businessman out to make money, and music is the way he does it.

the idea that Prince doesn't have to "share" his music is either dishonest or delusional. the fact is Prince does have to "share" his music with us if he wants to sell it and continue to make money, which tymechaser doesn't want to believe and is dishonestly or delusionally ignoring. which is worse I won't judge.

dumbass said:

It probably wouldn't affect Prince ability to survive, but it would affect his band mates and band crew and those who owned the venues.

You can't say Prince has chosen living "luxuriously" more important than the financial situations of his fans because one can also say that a "fan" who can't afford music (Prince) is choosing that as more important than their own personal financial responsibilities.

If you can't afford it, it's NOT for you.

RockNRoll said:[quote]

dumbass said:

I haven't said anything of the sort. my statements in no way can be interpreted that I believe fans somehow deserve music for free. my statements are in regards to Prince is not "sharing" his music with the world out of teh kindness of his heart, and were simply one-sided examples that presented his actions as being self-serving and thus selfish. perhaps you have not read the entire thread and missed that.

and Prince could choose to charge only as much as it would cost to have everyone else around him profit and not himself, thus negating your argument, but he still chooses an amount that brings him great wealth at the "chosen" (just so you don't think I don't know that we choose to spend our own money and are not forced to, thus cannot complain) detriment of his fans financial situation. as I have said prior, Prince has every right to profit, and nobody is blaming him. but his right to profit and his decision to profit contradicts the position that this conversation began around, that being we should all be thankful to Prince for his selfles bestowing of music upon us, which he does not have to, when in fact his interest, that being profiting handsomely, contradict such a ridiculous position. Princes interst is in profiting, not merely sharing.

music is a birthright

it was never meant to be bought and sold

its power stands above such man-made notions

those who dont realise this

and refuse to treat music with the respect it deserves

as a free agent of facts

and revolutionary culture-shaping God-given power

only serve to be part of the problem



music is not owned by anyone

it does not come from people

it enters people

and they pass it on


egoic misappropriation

says " i created this and because i deserve to receive recompense for the time i spent creating it i will cave in and naively presume to charge you money for it and i wont even give you the option. if u want it u pay for it. if u dont want it - fuck off "





a true musician says...


" i received this music inside of me - from a place i know little about - and it is my greatest humble pleasure - to pass it on to you freely . how glad i am for the internet - which enables me to do this . if you prefer to have this music that i did not create - that i only transcribed - in a hard copy format - unfortunately we still live in a world where the blind require payment for their services to get that 'product' to you - and you will have to pay money for it - until such time as they wake the fuck up - and become the type of individuals - who know how to truly give - along with everyone else. in the meantime - i hope you enjoy this music - that comes from places unknown - to the mortal heart and mind. i give it to you freely on the internet - and in any other way possible. do not worry about how i will 'earn a living'. i am a resourceful person - and require very little - to be happy"

sacredwarrior said:

People have choices to either buy or not to buy. Musicians, painters, singers, tailors, writers, etc., have a personal right to sell or not to sell. Just because you have chosen to give your stuff away for free, does not mean everybody who creates a product using their talent have to conform to your way of living and give everything away for free, because that is how you see the world.

I get what you are saying, but I have a huge problem with people like you with this egotistical fanatical fire and brimstone mentality that if others don't do what what you do or operate the way you operate, you wish for negative repercussion on that person.

Prince is not going to give his stuff away for free, so get over it. Don't buy his stuff and if it bothers you that much, move on to other artists. Why you are still here....I don't know.

sacredwarrior said:

Is this your full time job?
No offense, but is your music really good?
Go ahead...tell me where to go, but answer my questions.

wonder505 said:

SensualMelody said:[quote]

sacredwarrior said:

Is this your full time job?


pretty much


No offense, but is your music really good?


its not my music - its given to me and i transcribe it


whether its any good or not is a matter of opinion i guess


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sacredwarrior said:

And there you have it ladies and gentlemen, a fanatic.
[Edited 7/11/06 19:00pm]

sacredwarrior said:[quote]

SensualMelody said:

I have the gift of teaching.
Sometimes I tutor for free.
I believe the art is from God, and God says (via the Bible) a worker is worthy of his hire.
But as someone said above...if you wanna give your music away, that's fine.
I can say I have received some free things from Prince.
I really appreciated them too.
But I also like supporting the musicians whose music I really like.
I mean I couldn't wait for Luther V to make a CD; DVD I'd rush to buy it. I knew it would be good, but that wasn't the only reason i would buy it. I wanted to support his efforts. I would buy one for myself to play and one to collect. Sometimes I would buy copies for others. I loved what his music did to enhance my life.
I never missed a concert within 500 miles of me.
I think many feel that way about Prince's music as well.
I understand the desire to support the musician of one's choice as he sees fit.

SensualMelody said:

cool then we're on the same page

if u wanna give ur money to artists go head

my point is - that should b an option

sorta like making a voluntary donation....

not a forced rule

but i personally dont pay God for the air I breathe

nor the rain - nor the sky - nor the clouds - nor the wind

i dont hear Him askin for money for any of those things

just like i shouldnt have to pay money for the music He creates

and gives to artists to express

who forget where it came from

and run round upstaging Him

taking all the credit

and everyone's money




i think there's a passage in Revelations somewhere

that talks about what happens to people who buy and sell

during the 'end times'

sacredwarrior said:

The bible also talks about religious or spiritual fanatics like you who spread negativity like you have done on this website, wishing ill will towards others who do not believe and live their lives the same way you do.

Prince does not follow your beliefs, and his fans do not follow your beliefs and will continue to support him, and even on this website there's a forum for buying and selling his stuff, which everyone as an individual has a right to do and right not to do.
[Edited 7/12/06 5:06am]

wonder505 said:

i'm sorry sir but i do not recall directly insulting you for your beliefs, but if that is what you do when you dont understand other peoples and cant as long as ur uneducated about them then i guess thats on you... good luck with that.

nor have i wished ill will toward anyone on these boards. i've expressed my views and not everyone agrees obviously, and no where have i insulted anyone for doing so, once again..if that is how you handle disagreement..then thats on you...good luck with that.

but you are correct to say Prince doesnt follow my beliefs. Nor does he follow his own as a Jehova's Witness. fact. but i dare say you might be presuming too much to suggest that his fans will continue to support him. numbers dwindle over the years and the buying public isnt happy. they are getting smart, and are beginning to see through bullshit. they dont like the way they are treated either. not all, but the numbers are growing.

you are also correct to say that everyone has a right to buy and sell. lets see where it gets them hey?

suggest that when you speak to me directly, you mind your manners, or you'll be ignored from now on.

okie?

sacredwarrior said:

First of all I could care less if you ignore me. Second of all read over all your posts, and the one above. You are very well in a state of wishing ill-will towards others who do not believe in giving their stuff away for free or those who buy.

Second, I am very much open to being educated about other ways of doing things. Hell, who wouldn't want to get free music. I think I would respect you more if you provide such information, including some links of others who do the same with their music, because overall, the intentions are very good. However your posts have been nothing but negative remarks, posts people don't understand, stories about you're friend going to jail, business shutting down, famine, wars, disease, psychological scars and shit, and then you throw REVELATIONS, the ultimate scare tactic, in the mix to those who buy and sell. I mean WTF!!

It's not what you say, its how you go about saying it, and when you wish ill-will to those who do not do as you do, in my opinion, you become a fanatic.

wonder505 said:

Revelations was mentioned as a point of interest

not a scare tactic - which u inferred as my intentions

what i say is straight up - if folks wanna read malintent into thats on them

SensualMelody is the person I was talking to

She reads the Bible

which is why I mentioned Revelations


unlike most

i take care to speak in other peoples languages

to give them a point of reference they feel comfortable with


so before you slam any more accusations at me

and continue to waste my time

take a step back

and breathe









on the topic.....



MUSIC has its own nature

anywhere everywhere all the time

it is beholdent only unto itself

it is not meant to be exploited for the financial profit of the few

it will not tolerate being exploited for the profit of the few

it is a cosmic force

a free agent

mankind - in its arrogance

and ignorance of the facts

slapped a price tag on it

for all kinds of reasons

which are no longer acceptable



already spent 3 years posting info on Music

its cosmic origins

its highest intent

its political savvy

its singular ability to shape cultures

for the benefit of all mankind

and the planet we inhabit




not inclined at this point

to post links

which anyone interested

can find for themselves

on the net



those not interested in doing their own research

arent in a position to object to what has been stated here


3121

sacredwarrior said:

It says only those with the mark of the beast will be able to buy or sell...that includes your groceries. But the air and skies will still be free.
Hope that's enough.

.
[Edited 7/12/06 19:37pm]